The culture of bullying and abuse at Wests Tigers..

@Tiger4life said:
@yeti said:
@Telltails said:
It's interesting how leaked information is welcomed when its content we want to hear and when it's not it becomes all about who leaked it and what was there motivation.
Quite frankly it is important for this stuff to come out because it makes clubs accountable for their operations. All damming information should be treated with the notion at sometime that it will surface - which is exactly what the club did when addressing this report.

It was important when it came out 12 months ago. And as a result, the club has lifted its game and obviously improved it's player welfare program. It is, however, less than helpful that it was rehashed now in what can honestly be described as a totally unbalanced and biased piece of journalism.

If you listen to a few on here, Farah and Ayoub control all the media outlets in Australia and get pretty much anything they want published.

If any journalist dares to write a story criticising anything the tigers or JT does than they must be gutter journalists. Is it possible every media outlet and sports journalist is out to get the tigers?

Where there is smoke there is fire. Even the club has come out and said they had to change.

I think the problem that disgusts most on here is the photo in the article of Mosese Fotuika

To bring up the heartbreaking suicide of a footballer from 4 seasons ago (early 2013) when the accusations are from 2015 season

I'm sure his partner ,his child , his family or his friends didn't need any reminding of the event

I'm not sure if you realize this but that around 70% of children who have a parent that commit suicide also attempt suicide in their lifetime

The sooner that the media in this country start realizing that using mental illness as a headline the better , especially seeing that people battling depression and or suffering mental illness afflicts around 1 in every 3 people
 
@happy tiger said:
@Tiger4life said:
@yeti said:
@Telltails said:
It's interesting how leaked information is welcomed when its content we want to hear and when it's not it becomes all about who leaked it and what was there motivation.
Quite frankly it is important for this stuff to come out because it makes clubs accountable for their operations. All damming information should be treated with the notion at sometime that it will surface - which is exactly what the club did when addressing this report.

It was important when it came out 12 months ago. And as a result, the club has lifted its game and obviously improved it's player welfare program. It is, however, less than helpful that it was rehashed now in what can honestly be described as a totally unbalanced and biased piece of journalism.

If you listen to a few on here, Farah and Ayoub control all the media outlets in Australia and get pretty much anything they want published.

If any journalist dares to write a story criticising anything the tigers or JT does than they must be gutter journalists. Is it possible every media outlet and sports journalist is out to get the tigers?

Where there is smoke there is fire. Even the club has come out and said they had to change.

I think the problem that disgusts most on here is the photo in the article of Mosese Fotuika

To bring up the heartbreaking suicide of a footballer from 4 seasons ago (early 2013) when the accusations are from 2015 season

I'm sure his partner ,his child , his family or his friends didn't need any reminding of the event

I'm not sure if you realize this but that around 70% of children who have a parent that commit suicide also attempt suicide in their lifetime

The sooner that the media in this country start realizing that using mental illness as a headline the better , especially seeing that people battling depression and or suffering mental illness afflicts around 1 in every 3 people

I agree with you on that 100%. Using a dead person to sell a story is disgusting.

It's also sad to hear that there are players who felt this way about the club. The other focus should be on the fact the club has addressed this and has come a long way in 12 months.

There has been a lot of disrespect aimed At Farah and his manager, until there is evidence to substantiate this, the abuse is unwarranted.
 
@Tiger4life said:
@happy tiger said:
@Tiger4life said:
@yeti said:
It was important when it came out 12 months ago. And as a result, the club has lifted its game and obviously improved it's player welfare program. It is, however, less than helpful that it was rehashed now in what can honestly be described as a totally unbalanced and biased piece of journalism.

If you listen to a few on here, Farah and Ayoub control all the media outlets in Australia and get pretty much anything they want published.

If any journalist dares to write a story criticising anything the tigers or JT does than they must be gutter journalists. Is it possible every media outlet and sports journalist is out to get the tigers?

Where there is smoke there is fire. Even the club has come out and said they had to change.

I think the problem that disgusts most on here is the photo in the article of Mosese Fotuika

To bring up the heartbreaking suicide of a footballer from 4 seasons ago (early 2013) when the accusations are from 2015 season

I'm sure his partner ,his child , his family or his friends didn't need any reminding of the event

I'm not sure if you realize this but that around 70% of children who have a parent that commit suicide also attempt suicide in their lifetime

The sooner that the media in this country start realizing that using mental illness as a headline the better , especially seeing that people battling depression and or suffering mental illness afflicts around 1 in every 3 people

I agree with you on that 100%. Using a dead person to sell a story is disgusting.

It's also sad to hear that there are players who felt this way about the club. The other focus should be on the fact the club has addressed this and has come a long way in 12 months.

There has been a lot of disrespect aimed At Farah and his manager, until there is evidence to substantiate this, the abuse is unwarranted.

Yeh. - people conveniently forget how Farah has been targeted by the media for years and most of it defamatory. The very reason why many can't stand him - because they read about all the so called things he was guilty of by the same journalists that he has now some influence over.
 
@innsaneink said:
@Nelson said:
@cktiger said:
Going by your replies you both obviously, don’t comprehend what ‘evidence’ is.
You just come back with more hearsay and conjecture.
Nelson – you ask if I have any facts?
Well, no I don’t, which is why I can’t blame someone without certainty.

GNR- being a main suspect does not necessarily make you the person who committed the crime.

Don't report for jury duty anytime soon guys.

No mate, you don't understand what evidence is which is why you throw out further words you don't understand like "hearsay" and "conjecture" like they're somehow dirty. Hearsay evidence is admissible through a number of gateways under the Evidence Act. Conjecture is nothing more than acting on incomplete information which happens every time someone draws an inference. Circumstantial cases always involve a level of conjecture and they're not necessarily any weaker than cases involving direct evidence.

I hope you don't find yourself on a jury because you seem like the kind of person that would just ignore directions you were given (you would invariably be given a direction regarding inferences) because you think you know best based on…I don't know what. Personally I'm ineligible to sit on a jury, so you don't have to worry yourself over that.

LOL….owned

:laughing:
You blokes read what you like and disregard any comments in reply - or any sense.
Still, it's hard to get through to some people who wouldn't know which way their backside was pointing.
 
@innsaneink said:
@Nelson said:
@cktiger said:
Going by your replies you both obviously, don’t comprehend what ‘evidence’ is.
You just come back with more hearsay and conjecture.
Nelson – you ask if I have any facts?
Well, no I don’t, which is why I can’t blame someone without certainty.

GNR- being a main suspect does not necessarily make you the person who committed the crime.

Don't report for jury duty anytime soon guys.

No mate, you don't understand what evidence is which is why you throw out further words you don't understand like "hearsay" and "conjecture" like they're somehow dirty. Hearsay evidence is admissible through a number of gateways under the Evidence Act. Conjecture is nothing more than acting on incomplete information which happens every time someone draws an inference. Circumstantial cases always involve a level of conjecture and they're not necessarily any weaker than cases involving direct evidence.

I hope you don't find yourself on a jury because you seem like the kind of person that would just ignore directions you were given (you would invariably be given a direction regarding inferences) because you think you know best based on…I don't know what. Personally I'm ineligible to sit on a jury, so you don't have to worry yourself over that.

LOL….owned

Thanks for you're useless input again.
You and others conveniently read what you like without the replies.
Not surprising as their are no pictures to keep you amused.
 
@cktiger said:
@innsaneink said:
@Nelson said:
@cktiger said:
Going by your replies you both obviously, don’t comprehend what ‘evidence’ is.
You just come back with more hearsay and conjecture.
Nelson – you ask if I have any facts?
Well, no I don’t, which is why I can’t blame someone without certainty.

GNR- being a main suspect does not necessarily make you the person who committed the crime.

Don't report for jury duty anytime soon guys.

No mate, you don't understand what evidence is which is why you throw out further words you don't understand like "hearsay" and "conjecture" like they're somehow dirty. Hearsay evidence is admissible through a number of gateways under the Evidence Act. Conjecture is nothing more than acting on incomplete information which happens every time someone draws an inference. Circumstantial cases always involve a level of conjecture and they're not necessarily any weaker than cases involving direct evidence.

I hope you don't find yourself on a jury because you seem like the kind of person that would just ignore directions you were given (you would invariably be given a direction regarding inferences) because you think you know best based on…I don't know what. Personally I'm ineligible to sit on a jury, so you don't have to worry yourself over that.

LOL….owned

Thanks for you're useless input again.
You and others conveniently read what you like without the replies.
Not surprising as their are no pictures to keep you amused.

Mate can you just please let it go, its spoiling an interesting thread. We get it….by your definition there is no court admissible evidence, but who cares? This isnt a court and none of us are lawyers. Its an internet forum, specifically for the discussion of and expression of opinions on matters involving the Tigers. We are all expressing our thoughts and opinions. Your constant requirement for "hard evidence" is pointless and boring.
 
@cktiger said:
@innsaneink said:
@Nelson said:
@cktiger said:
Going by your replies you both obviously, don’t comprehend what ‘evidence’ is.
You just come back with more hearsay and conjecture.
Nelson – you ask if I have any facts?
Well, no I don’t, which is why I can’t blame someone without certainty.

GNR- being a main suspect does not necessarily make you the person who committed the crime.

Don't report for jury duty anytime soon guys.

No mate, you don't understand what evidence is which is why you throw out further words you don't understand like "hearsay" and "conjecture" like they're somehow dirty. Hearsay evidence is admissible through a number of gateways under the Evidence Act. Conjecture is nothing more than acting on incomplete information which happens every time someone draws an inference. Circumstantial cases always involve a level of conjecture and they're not necessarily any weaker than cases involving direct evidence.

I hope you don't find yourself on a jury because you seem like the kind of person that would just ignore directions you were given (you would invariably be given a direction regarding inferences) because you think you know best based on…I don't know what. Personally I'm ineligible to sit on a jury, so you don't have to worry yourself over that.

LOL….owned

Thanks for you're useless input again.
You and others conveniently read what you like without the replies.
Not surprising as their are no pictures to keep you amused.

CK you know I love ya like a brother , but your starting to sound like Steve ….
 
@happy tiger said:
CK you know I love ya like a brother , but your starting to sound like Steve ….

Sorry Hap - even I know it's getting boring. :laughing:
All the assumptions got to me - having previously worked at a major newspaper for many years I have an idea how they operate.
Over and out.
 
@cktiger said:
@happy tiger said:
CK you know I love ya like a brother , but your starting to sound like Steve ….

Sorry Hap - even I know it's getting boring. :laughing:
All the assumptions got to me - having previously worked at a major newspaper for many years I have an idea how they operate.
Over and out.

No worries everyone makes a mistake or two , yours are just usually biggies that's all :smiley:

Give Moltz a hug for us
 
The telegraph are at it again…. these guys are disgusting.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/former-wests-tigers-prop-mosese-fotuaikas-partner-says-she-knows-other-players-considered-suicide/news-story/1002e46987cd91969b029070b93a18eb

Sorry, on an ipad lads. Can't paste the article easily
 
THE partner of former Wests Tigers prop Mosese Fotuaika admits “I still have nightmares” more than three years after his death.

The 24-year-old was pregnant with their child Taya when Mosese took his own life in 2013.

Mosese, aged 20, had torn his pectoral muscle days before his death and was concerned he would be cast aside by the club.

Shanice Noa (nee Alaiasa-Heu) now lives in Queensland but said she is still clueless as to how she is going to tell three-year-old Taya the real story of where her daddy is.
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“Because I was pregnant with her when Mosese died, I don’t want her to think it was about her,” she said.

“Suicide is a touchy subject and it is not easy for a child to hear ‘your dad killed himself’.

“Taya calls Mosese ‘daddy’. She is always asking questions. Is he playing football? Where is he? She gets confused.

“I say that daddy is in the sky. She asks if he is flying. We say that he is her angel daddy.”
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Ms Noa is speaking out following a damning report from the Rugby League Players Association about the toxic culture at Wests Tigers.

The eight-page document obtained by The Sunday Telegraph contains a series of scathing comments from unnamed players at Mosese’s former club.

One player made the alarming claim that some of his teammates were “thinking about ending it’’, while another accused the club of failing to improve player welfare after Mosese’s death.

“Having already had a player take their own life at this club I am scared it will happen again,’’ the player said.

“This club hasn’t learned anything from what happened with Mosese. To be honest I think it has gotten worse. I know two players this year (2015) who have thought about suicide. The thought of it makes me sick.’’

Taya calls Mosese ‘daddy’.
Mrs Noa got married in June and is expecting her second girl in April next year.

She said she is not angry at the club, but believes they need to do more to help young players coming through.

She said the one of biggest problems is the ‘all or nothing’ mentality which she says contributed to Mosese’s death.

“Talking to him all the time I learned that communication is important, especially when your job is on the line,” she said.

“If he ever felt threatened about his job, it got the better of him. He said it was football or nothing.

“I tried to sway him into the sense that there are other things that you can do.

“It is really sad when someone thinks that they can do only one thing in their life or they are worthless. Mosese was not the only one who thought like that.”
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Leading sports psychologist Jeff Bond has read the confidential report leaked to The Sunday Telegraph.

Mr Bond said it spoke volumes that players nominated mental health as the biggest area the club needs to improve on, outranking treatment of injured players, work-life balance and mandatory days off.

“A culture like that absolutely heightens the risk that players will self-harm and ultimately may suicide, which is a disastrous outcome,” the Bond Performance Consulting director said.

“When they are being diminished by the coaching staff in those very intense, deeply personal ways, you are starting to attack the core self-belief of the player and they do not have much fall back on.”

Mr Bond was head of sport psychology at the Australian Institute of Sport for 22 years.

He said in all his years of experience, it is one of the worst club cultures he has seen.

He said there needs to be independent people appointed to work at the club from the top down, including coaches, players and administrators.

Australian Catholic University sports psychologist John Mahoney has also read the report.

He said: “If athletes are talking about suicide, then that is definitely a big factor that you will want to address as soon as possible.”

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**He said** in all his years of experience, it is one of the worst club cultures he has seen.
**He said** there needs to be independent people appointed to work at the club from the top down, including coaches, players and administrators.

So if he allegedly said this… Why didn't the tele quote him like they did with the other things he said?

I have my doubts
 
@innsaneink said:
**He said** in all his years of experience, it is one of the worst club cultures he has seen.
**He said** there needs to be independent people appointed to work at the club from the top down, including coaches, players and administrators.

So if he allegedly said this… Why didn't the tele quote him like they did with the other things he said?

I have my doubts

Pretty good observation ink. I really hope the Tigers and brydens find something to put them in their place. It's disgusting behaviour how they keep producing these articles with out mentioning that we are 2nd in this now.

Obviously a vendeta by someone…I wonder who?

Also, I wonder who was in a position when this was written to have a couple of players talk to him in confidence? Mmmmm...
 
@innsaneink said:
**He said** in all his years of experience, it is one of the worst club cultures he has seen.
**He said** there needs to be independent people appointed to work at the club from the top down, including coaches, players and administrators.

So if he allegedly said this… Why didn't the tele quote him like they did with the other things he said?

I have my doubts

You having doubts has really sold me. :laughing:

At least it's a change from your toxicity.
 
Hold on….. Mr Bond draws his conclusion from a confidential report leaked to The Sunday Telegraph well over 12 months old....

Speaks volumes indeed Mr Bond...
 
I see another opportunity for WT to champion the improvements they have made to players health and welfare resulting in their in silver medal performance. I'm sure they will be able to get some equally compelling quotes from Mr Bond now, 12 months down the track, that the requisite changes have been made.
 
@innsaneink said:
**He said** in all his years of experience, it is one of the worst club cultures he has seen.
**He said** there needs to be independent people appointed to work at the club from the top down, including coaches, players and administrators.

So if he allegedly said this… Why didn't the tele quote him like they did with the other things he said?

I have my doubts

It's absolute garbage that they're still going around in circles about a report written over 12 months ago, which the Tigers have responded to quite brilliantly I might add, in now being ranked the 2nd best club for player welfare and management.

How the DT can continue to skip over this fact - which is current and not historical like the garbage they are talking about is beyond me. Tigers should be demanding an apology over this nonsense.
 
@willow said:
@innsaneink said:
**He said** in all his years of experience, it is one of the worst club cultures he has seen.
**He said** there needs to be independent people appointed to work at the club from the top down, including coaches, players and administrators.

So if he allegedly said this… Why didn't the tele quote him like they did with the other things he said?

I have my doubts

It's absolute garbage that they're still going around in circles about a report written over 12 months ago, **which the Tigers have responded to quite brilliantly I might add**, in now being ranked the 2nd best club for player welfare and management.

How the DT can continue to skip over this fact - which is current and not historical like the garbage they are talking about is beyond me. Tigers should be demanding an apology over this nonsense.

There have been a lot of question marks about the current regime and whether they are just full of hot air, all talk and no action. But i think the way Pascoe and Go handled this shows that the club is finally heading in the right direction.
 
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