The Defensive Myth

[matchball]

I guess none of this falls on our dear departed legend.
He can do no wrong.

 

[tigermac88]

I guess none of this falls on our dear departed legend.
He can do no wrong.

Oh… So first he stifles our attack now our defence problems are Farahs fault too?? :laughing: :laughing:

 

[Flippedy]

Lol the teams worse than us in D are Newcastle, Goosters and Souffs hardly an achievement with how their seasons are going

Lucky we can score points

The roosters are 3 points worse than us, they are starting to click now so that might change.

This is what I can't understand. I'm pretty sure Canberra was the only real thrashing we've gotten this season and yet the Roosters (who I thought had received several thrashings early on) are this close in points diff?? I don't get this at all - why are we having such a hard time trying to make up for just one real thrashing? We seem incapable of winning big.

 

[Sco77y]

I mean, points against includes goals too does it not? Can't really defend those..

It's the same for every team, though, so it's a moot point…

Not if your team gives away a lot of penalties, that means you would likely end up getting more 2 pointers put on you over the course of the year.. Discipline isn't really indicative of defence. Anyway, my point is that it's far from accurate. Missed tackles, ineffective tackles, etc. the stats that actually gauge the teams performance are more telling imo.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Looking at the table, i was surprised to see that we aren't ranked 2nd last like a lot like to claim. There are several teams who have conceded more points than us. Besides our right edge, our defence gets a really bad rap imo.

Yeah, but our right side is definitely the worst in the comp. Every time Mitch Moses and Kevin Naiqama would come in David Nofoluma would fly in as well. Tigertorch has talked about drills where Kev flies in and Nofo stays out, well i have seen no improvement and if Parra had Norman or Foran passing out to Semi Radradra would have absolutely destroyed us.

Like they did in round 4…

You should know better than to bring facts to a forum discussion.

 

[Flippedy]

I guess none of this falls on our dear departed legend.
He can do no wrong.

We're talking about the team here, not any particular player, in case you hadn't realised :unamused:

 

[ricksen]

Looking at the table, i was surprised to see that we aren't ranked 2nd last like a lot like to claim. There are several teams who have conceded more points than us. Besides our right edge, our defence gets a really bad rap imo.

A lot of people have been claiming our defence was 2nd worst in the comp and it was until this round lol. Don't make out people on the forum have been making stats up.

As someone else said, take out that 60 point loss and the stats don't look nearly as bad.

By the same token, take out the 54 that Souths conceded yesterday and they're back ahead of us in PA - you can't pick and choose stats to suit an argument.
As has already been stated, the 'myth' is no such thing in that we have had the 15th ranked PA for the majority of the season, up until this weekend. It's great that we're moving in the right direction in that sense, but we're still way off where we should be IMO, considering the apparent impetus JT et al have placed on defence.
Our structure still has a lot of holes, and we continue to arm grab across the defensive line far too much.
The attitude and desperation in defence has, however, been outstanding over the last couple of months, as shown by the scrambling defence, which has been top drawer.

 

[avocadoontoast]

Lol the teams worse than us in D are Newcastle, Goosters and Souffs hardly an achievement with how their seasons are going

Lucky we can score points

The roosters are 3 points worse than us, they are starting to click now so that might change.

This is what I can't understand. I'm pretty sure Canberra was the only real thrashing we've gotten this season and yet the Roosters (who I thought had received several thrashings early on) are this close in points diff?? I don't get this at all - why are we having such a hard time trying to make up for just one real thrashing? We seem incapable of winning big.

Bulldogs 36-4.

 

[851]

Lol the teams worse than us in D are Newcastle, Goosters and Souffs hardly an achievement with how their seasons are going

Lucky we can score points

The roosters are 3 points worse than us, they are starting to click now so that might change.

This is what I can't understand. I'm pretty sure Canberra was the only real thrashing we've gotten this season and yet the Roosters (who I thought had received several thrashings early on) are this close in points diff?? I don't get this at all - why are we having such a hard time trying to make up for just one real thrashing? We seem incapable of winning big.

And that is the answer, we get a good lead and either squander it or let the other team score soft try's.

 

[Sco77y]

Lol the teams worse than us in D are Newcastle, Goosters and Souffs hardly an achievement with how their seasons are going

Lucky we can score points

The roosters are 3 points worse than us, they are starting to click now so that might change.

This is what I can't understand. I'm pretty sure Canberra was the only real thrashing we've gotten this season and yet the Roosters (who I thought had received several thrashings early on) are this close in points diff?? I don't get this at all - why are we having such a hard time trying to make up for just one real thrashing? We seem incapable of winning big.

Bulldogs 36-4.

We're just not getting those big wins this season. I can't remember the last time we blew a team off the park? We're only chipping away at our F/A gradually, and even though we're getting competition points, it just isn't making up for deficits we've had in the games we've lost.

 

[ricksen]

We've conceded over 20 points in wins three times - Warriors, Manly and Panthers.
We've conceded 30 or more in losses 6 times (and 29 against the Storm another time).

 

[Flippedy]

The roosters are 3 points worse than us, they are starting to click now so that might change.

This is what I can't understand. I'm pretty sure Canberra was the only real thrashing we've gotten this season and yet the Roosters (who I thought had received several thrashings early on) are this close in points diff?? I don't get this at all - why are we having such a hard time trying to make up for just one real thrashing? We seem incapable of winning big.

Bulldogs 36-4.

We're just not getting those big wins this season. I can't remember the last time we blew a team off the park? We're only chipping away at our F/A gradually, and even though we're getting competition points, it just isn't making up for deficits we've had in the games we've lost.

Yeah that has to be the answer guys, just chipping away at it. Still beats me how the Roosters can be so close though. I don't recall them winning that big to make it up so easily and they've only won 4 games!

 

[851]

We've conceded over 20 points in wins three times - Warriors, Manly and Panthers.
We've conceded 30 or more in losses 6 times (and 29 against the Storm another time).

Kinda brings it home how bad our defence is.

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

By the same token, take out the 54 that Souths conceded yesterday and they're back ahead of us in PA - you can't pick and choose stats to suit an argument.

Yes you can. Removing extreme/volatile items to understand true means and medians is a standard practice in statistics. Enables a clearer understanding of trends as it removes the one off impact of extreme events. Heaps of economic measures use this approach.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

:laughing: :laughing:

I guess none of this falls on our dear departed legend.
He can do no wrong.

Oh… So first he stifles our attack now our defence problems are Farahs fault too?? :laughing: :laughing:

:laughing: :laughing:

 

[ricksen]

By the same token, take out the 54 that Souths conceded yesterday and they're back ahead of us in PA - you can't pick and choose stats to suit an argument.

Yes you can. Removing extreme/volatile items to understand true means and medians is a standard practice in statistics. Enables a clearer understanding of trends as it removes the one off impact of extreme events. Heaps of economic measures use this approach.

Of course. But why is our Canberra loss considered an outlier and their loss isn't?

 

[Born_tiger]

Looking at the table, i was surprised to see that we aren't ranked 2nd last like a lot like to claim. There are several teams who have conceded more points than us. Besides our right edge, our defence gets a really bad rap imo.

Yeah, but our right side is definitely the worst in the comp. Every time Mitch Moses and Kevin Naiqama would come in David Nofoluma would fly in as well. Tigertorch has talked about drills where Kev flies in and Nofo stays out, well i have seen no improvement and if Parra had Norman or Foran passing out to Semi Radradra would have absolutely destroyed us.

Like they did in round 4…

You should know better than to bring facts to a forum discussion.

Lol, Thanks Mate

 

[newtiger]

Looking at the table, i was surprised to see that we aren't ranked 2nd last like a lot like to claim. There are several teams who have conceded more points than us. Besides our right edge, our defence gets a really bad rap imo.

Just think how much better we would be if that right side was cleaned up.

Imagine how good it would be if we had a defensive coach!!!!

 

[pHyR3]

once you take out that raiders game our points difference/against doesnt look so bad

fix up our right edge we've got a solid defensive unit.

they just need to be drilled into communicating and making decisions TOGETHER, better. and they can be adequate which is all we need since we seem fine in most other areas of our D too.

we're only going for a top 8 finish this year anyway - we can focus on perfection next year and the year after

 

[Eddie]

Looking at the table, i was surprised to see that we aren't ranked 2nd last like a lot like to claim. There are several teams who have conceded more points than us. Besides our right edge, our defence gets a really bad rap imo.

A lot of people have been claiming our defence was 2nd worst in the comp and it was until this round lol. Don't make out people on the forum have been making stats up.

As someone else said, take out that 60 point loss and the stats don't look nearly as bad.

By the same token, take out the 54 that Souths conceded yesterday and they're back ahead of us in PA - you can't pick and choose stats to suit an argument.
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Well said.

Far too much of that going on.