The Defensive Myth

[Eddie]

By the same token, take out the 54 that Souths conceded yesterday and they're back ahead of us in PA - you can't pick and choose stats to suit an argument.

Yes you can. Removing extreme/volatile items to understand true means and medians is a standard practice in statistics. Enables a clearer understanding of trends as it removes the one off impact of extreme events. Heaps of economic measures use this approach.

Of course. But why is our Canberra loss considered an outlier and their loss isn't?

Because it does not suit their agenda.

Simple

 

[gallagher]

Looking for positives in your team is an agenda now?

 

[851]

Looking for positives in your team is an agenda now?

The positive is we are still in contention for the 8, our destiny is in our own hands, we just have to take it.

 

[gallagher]

Looking for positives in your team is an agenda now?

The positive is we are still in contention for the 8, our destiny is in our own hands, we just have to take it.

Damn straight. It's good to be excited about our session again.

 

[stryker]

Looking at the table, i was surprised to see that we aren't ranked 2nd last like a lot like to claim. There are several teams who have conceded more points than us. Besides our right edge, our defence gets a really bad rap imo.

A lot of people have been claiming our defence was 2nd worst in the comp and it was until this round lol. Don't make out people on the forum have been making stats up.

Hahaha way to go mate expose these misleading liars as much as you can. GNR4LIFE this is pitiful lol…..

 

[stryker]

once you take out that raiders game our points difference/against doesnt look so bad

fix up our right edge we've got a solid defensive unit.

they just need to be drilled into communicating and making decisions TOGETHER, better. and they can be adequate which is all we need since we seem fine in most other areas of our D too.

we're only going for a top 8 finish this year anyway - we can focus on perfection next year and the year after

What a defeatist attitude.

 

[stryker]

Take out the canberra game????….lol
Take out the Canberra game and the diff is still negative.

Our defence is still crud. The attitude to scramble has improved. It used to be that when a player got beat most would drop their heads and jog after. Now the majority chase....as they should always have done. The past 2 weeks the scores against were low due in significant part to both halves hitting and sticking.

 

[larrycorowa]

It's way too simplistic just looking at these measures. Much of our defensive problems stem from poor game management, giving too much ball back in poor field position. Some games we suffered through a 40 vs 60 split. In previous years we would have been monstered in these games.

Our defence is improving, especially through the middle. Our left side is good when Simona doesn't get injured. Our right side is fragile. I would say this is an improvement. We still having a young side with plenty of upside, it's no where near as bad as the naysayers and death riders on here would have you think.

We are years ahead of many teams. Souths, easts, Newcastle, dogs, Warriors, parra all have years of rebuilding in front of them. Our nucleus is there if we can keep them together.

 

[larrycorowa]

We will be much better without Farah next year in every sense.

 

[NT_Tiger]

Our RHS defence will definitely be tested this weekend. Cowboys like attacking, and have a great attack, to their left. I'm hoping WT has studied their attack and see it coming because it will come.
Is it clear yet if Thurston will play?

 

[foreveratiger]

Our RHS defence will definitely be tested this weekend. Cowboys like attacking, and have a great attack, to their left. I'm hoping WT has studied their attack and see it coming because it will come.
Is it clear yet if Thurston will play?

They reported he trained with the Cowboys squad last Friday with no ill effects.
I would expect he will be playing, I think they will still have to much class even if they decided to rest him.
There forwards are so hard to contain once they get a roll on.
Let's hope we can cause an upset.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Win or lose, the forum will be on fire come Sunday night. Stock up on the popcorn.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

We will be much better without Farah next year in every sense.

The way we are currently playing musical chairs re positions I have no idea how you come to this conclusion.

 

[pHyR3]

once you take out that raiders game our points difference/against doesnt look so bad

fix up our right edge we've got a solid defensive unit.

they just need to be drilled into communicating and making decisions TOGETHER, better. and they can be adequate which is all we need since we seem fine in most other areas of our D too.

we're only going for a top 8 finish this year anyway - we can focus on perfection next year and the year after

What a defeatist attitude.

more just realistic

unless you think our right edge can go from what it is now, to Melbourne/Sharks tier within 5 weeks. in which case youre probably deluded.

if you take out the canberra game our PD is around about 0\. Which is middle of the table, and adequate (i.e. average).

and if we can fix up our right edge, our D can be okay but nothing special - which is all i think we can hope for in 2016

 

[simonthetigerrrr]

I'm no JT fan but from the eye we seem to be defending better. Our halves are hitting and sticking more often and our goal line defense seems better. Scramble good too.

 

[supercoach]

We will be much better without Farah next year in every sense.

The way we are currently playing musical chairs re positions I have no idea how you come to this conclusion.

Tend to agree and I am not having ago at Farah. I just think it is the only way all the turmoil that has been going on for years is going to go away. All the other players are been put under the pump by the media to show what corner they are in and they know who pays them and they also do not want to let a mate down by putting in the boot. It must be having a negative effect on the playing group.

If Taylor goes and Farah stays, the first hiccup people will be looking at Farah as the cause. If Taylor stays,than he has to wear all the flak because he can not blame Farah. Of course they both can go, but if it is only one,than sadly it has to be Farah

 

[TigerSJ]

In my opinion there has been definite development and improvement in our D overall. It's still not up to the standard of even the top 8 sides, however we are at least turning up to the confrontation now, where as not that long ago teams were pouring through our middle and commentators were calling our forwards 'soft'. Any time a team came within 30 metres of our line they would score. We could never defend a well placed high ball in the past (not 100% convinced we can now either).
Sounds like an obvious comment but, attack and defence go hand in hand. If we are constantly on the back foot and are losing the wrestle at the ruck (allowing quick ptb's) then we start to tire, the other team gets momentum and starts rolling through us. With this comes no space for our halves to attack and our players become too worn out to break the line when they do get the ball. Then comes dumb decisions, further fatigue and poor ball control, turnovers, penalties etc etc.
Those saying they don't care about defence are oversimplifying the game, and those massaging the stats to suit their arguments can perhaps show me stats on how many teams have made the top 4 in the last 15 years with negative F/A.

 

[innsaneink]

^^ top post SJ ^^

 

[GNR4LIFE]

In my opinion there has been definite development and improvement in our D overall. It's still not up to the standard of even the top 8 sides, however we are at least turning up to the confrontation now, where as not that long ago teams were pouring through our middle and commentators were calling our forwards 'soft'. Any time a team came within 30 metres of our line they would score. We could never defend a well placed high ball in the past (not 100% convinced we can now either).
Sounds like an obvious comment but, attack and defence go hand in hand. If we are constantly on the back foot and are losing the wrestle at the ruck (allowing quick ptb's) then we start to tire, the other team gets momentum and starts rolling through us. With this comes no space for our halves to attack and our players become too worn out to break the line when they do get the ball. Then comes dumb decisions, further fatigue and poor ball control, turnovers, penalties etc etc.
Those saying they don't care about defence are oversimplifying the game, and those massaging the stats to suit their arguments can perhaps show me stats on how many teams have made the top 4 in the last 15 years with negative F/A.

Someone gets it.

 

[Telltails]

Oh please we all get it The arguement has been about accountability.