The inevitable Luke Brooks thread..

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@Sausagesorcerer said in [The inevitable Luke Brooks thread\.\.](/post/1188840) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [The inevitable Luke Brooks thread\.\.](/post/1188834) said:
@Sausagesorcerer said in [The inevitable Luke Brooks thread\.\.](/post/1188814) said:
Brown and Moses are considered one of the best combos in the comp.really didn’t look that good last night.apart from the chip from Moses I’d say they looked more lost than us when they got close to the line.
Gutho is a good ball player (as much as I hate to admit it)

Geez can't agree there. I thought Brown and Moses looked on another level to our blokes. If we had their halves I think the result would have been different.


Brown is very composed for a young lad.
I think Moses still takes the wrong option a lot of the time.
Maybe I was just expecting more considering how dangerous their backline is in comparison to ours.

No matter how you rate halves they can only perform well when they have a great platform to work with. No halves combo can shine without momentum created by the forwards - something that Maguire seems to be trying to instill in our team which is long overdue.
 
@jadtiger said in [The inevitable Luke Brooks thread\.\.](/post/1190233) said:
@Lauren said in [The inevitable Luke Brooks thread\.\.](/post/1190228) said:
But my personal opinion is that he needs a coach also…think I stated it as far back to when he won the Dally M Halfback award.

The club tried to do that with Laurie Daley but as to be expected Turdberg knocked that on the head under the brilliant "Fairness but not Equal" policy finding an excuse to stop it.PVL is trying to remove the corruptness and favouritism from the game and has made an impact but more work is required.Hopefully he can redirect his efforts soon from covid-19(due to its control) to a more equitable playing field and not one where some vested still interests control parts of the game

Does anyone doubt it was Johns' strategy to chip kick over the top for that try knowing Maguire has his fullback set deep?

No doubt Maguire should have Brooks, Madden, Camroux.and his Aust Schools partner all receiving specialist coaching.
 
@Telltails said in [The inevitable Luke Brooks thread\.\.](/post/1190234) said:
@Sausagesorcerer said in [The inevitable Luke Brooks thread\.\.](/post/1188840) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [The inevitable Luke Brooks thread\.\.](/post/1188834) said:
@Sausagesorcerer said in [The inevitable Luke Brooks thread\.\.](/post/1188814) said:
Brown and Moses are considered one of the best combos in the comp.really didn’t look that good last night.apart from the chip from Moses I’d say they looked more lost than us when they got close to the line.
Gutho is a good ball player (as much as I hate to admit it)

Geez can't agree there. I thought Brown and Moses looked on another level to our blokes. If we had their halves I think the result would have been different.


Brown is very composed for a young lad.
I think Moses still takes the wrong option a lot of the time.
Maybe I was just expecting more considering how dangerous their backline is in comparison to ours.

No matter how you rate halves they can only perform well when they have a great platform to work with. No halves combo can shine without momentum created by the forwards - something that Maguire seems to be trying to instill in our team which is long overdue.


Somebody once said.
Fowards win you the game,backs decide by how much ?
 
With all the speculation around halves, this is one of our own. It's only juniors of course but the talent is there. He is quick and elusive and scored a nice try against the Dragons this year in U20s beating two or three players with his step.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWpr2iuTecE
 
I reckon Brooks looks much more effective when garner is outside. For some reason it didn't click with LL and the left side seems to lack fluency and potency.
 
What is the full story with Zane Camroux?

How old?

Video looks real good. Had forgot about him, saw highlights last year but didn't remember until Paws put up the highlights.

Looks like he could be anything, I think he is worth nursing, getting a great coach for him.
 
The NRL really lacks quality half backs. Interesting to hear the Forum Members thoughts why there has been a deterioration over the last couple of season's?
 
@Lauren said in [The inevitable Luke Brooks thread\.\.](/post/1190228) said:
@bbobb said in [The inevitable Luke Brooks thread\.\.](/post/1190224) said:
@Lauren said in [The inevitable Luke Brooks thread\.\.](/post/1189960) said:
@bbobb said in [The inevitable Luke Brooks thread\.\.](/post/1189929) said:
I'm in the same boat as you and everyone else and only wants to see wins, regardless who is there.
I don't mind that he's not in the team but do about how we use our bench.
And this is not aimed at you... But I just find it funny that there's a lot of unjustified comments about Luke's form when his usage over the past 2 weeks give us no real indication (of where he's at).

I think Madge made that decision when he benched him. I agree with you that he isn’t a bench player and this role is both unfamiliar and unsuitable.

My feeling is that the issue for fans (and perhaps the coach) is that he hasn’t gone to the next level in terms of game management. He had a stunning year in 2018 and really announced himself but it is a probably fair assumption that he has plateaued if not regressed slightly. Admittedly his defence is terrific for a half and our forwards can be underwhelming at times in terms of setting a platform but as the OP alluded to, parts of his attack and management haven’t evolved in my opinion.

Truly appreciate this type of response in the forum and not just because I agree with your comment, it just gets a little chaotic in here at times.
This tends to be one of the WTFs most contentious topic doesn't it?

Wrote a similar thing a few weeks back and expressed how it's a real challenge for us, considering every player in the team are keen and ready to make it to the finals. But we have a key play maker down in both confidence and form.

I agree the real conundrum is that we need him to take his game to the next level. And I think it's pretty clear that Madge is trying to turn this team into a competitive one with a winning attitude - but Luke's own passive demeanour is holding him back.
I've seen comments on here about getting a sports psychologist in for him, and must admit I don't think it's too bad a suggestion. But my personal opinion is that he needs a coach also...think I stated it as far back to when he won the Dally M Halfback award.

While I feel the game is moving in a different direction and the spine as a collective are more integral to a team's overall performance, I do however also see that we need Luke to play to his strengths and have some capabillity with helping steer us out of trouble.
I think he's a player with some great skills but just doesn't have that mental edge.
We often see Cleary's kicking game brought up in argument and fortunately for him he had the luxury of having his Dad help him - since he was knee high to a grasshopper - perfect those skills.

I just don't believe he's a complete write off and wonder if playing him off the bench is actually helping him work on other aspects of his game - which is sorely needed right now. Plus I honestly don't want to see us waste money in chasing Lachlan Lewis or a Townsend type, when Luke's a better player than both.

Yes I think a halves coach or mentor would be ideal for Brooks. If you look at the current halves that have actually improved their game significantly they have had a coach or mentor like the Johns brothers in their camp. Madge tried to get this happening by bringing in Laurie Daley last season, but alas the NRL knocked it on the head for whatever lame reason.

I would wager that we'd all be seeing a different Luke Brooks right now if the Daley assignment had've worked out. If we aren't allowed to have Daley then perhaps Madge can pursue someone else - Scott Prince, Brett Kimmorley or Matthew Johns perhaps? Even though the latter is a tosser ?
 
@Russell said in [The inevitable Luke Brooks thread\.\.](/post/1190322) said:
What is the full story with Zane Camroux?

How old?

Video looks real good. Had forgot about him, saw highlights last year but didn't remember until Paws put up the highlights.

Looks like he could be anything, I think he is worth nursing, getting a great coach for him.

He's in our U20s and is a Holy Cross Ryde product like a couple of other useful halves. I read he had offers from other clubs but his family brought him into WTs to sign. He is fast, has a good step, kicks goals. His father was a good half for the Tigers. How good is it his family wanted him to play with WTs?
 
@Spud_Murphy said in [The inevitable Luke Brooks thread\.\.](/post/1190348) said:
@Lauren said in [The inevitable Luke Brooks thread\.\.](/post/1190228) said:
@bbobb said in [The inevitable Luke Brooks thread\.\.](/post/1190224) said:
@Lauren said in [The inevitable Luke Brooks thread\.\.](/post/1189960) said:
@bbobb said in [The inevitable Luke Brooks thread\.\.](/post/1189929) said:
I'm in the same boat as you and everyone else and only wants to see wins, regardless who is there.
I don't mind that he's not in the team but do about how we use our bench.
And this is not aimed at you... But I just find it funny that there's a lot of unjustified comments about Luke's form when his usage over the past 2 weeks give us no real indication (of where he's at).

I think Madge made that decision when he benched him. I agree with you that he isn’t a bench player and this role is both unfamiliar and unsuitable.

My feeling is that the issue for fans (and perhaps the coach) is that he hasn’t gone to the next level in terms of game management. He had a stunning year in 2018 and really announced himself but it is a probably fair assumption that he has plateaued if not regressed slightly. Admittedly his defence is terrific for a half and our forwards can be underwhelming at times in terms of setting a platform but as the OP alluded to, parts of his attack and management haven’t evolved in my opinion.

Truly appreciate this type of response in the forum and not just because I agree with your comment, it just gets a little chaotic in here at times.
This tends to be one of the WTFs most contentious topic doesn't it?

Wrote a similar thing a few weeks back and expressed how it's a real challenge for us, considering every player in the team are keen and ready to make it to the finals. But we have a key play maker down in both confidence and form.

I agree the real conundrum is that we need him to take his game to the next level. And I think it's pretty clear that Madge is trying to turn this team into a competitive one with a winning attitude - but Luke's own passive demeanour is holding him back.
I've seen comments on here about getting a sports psychologist in for him, and must admit I don't think it's too bad a suggestion. But my personal opinion is that he needs a coach also...think I stated it as far back to when he won the Dally M Halfback award.

While I feel the game is moving in a different direction and the spine as a collective are more integral to a team's overall performance, I do however also see that we need Luke to play to his strengths and have some capabillity with helping steer us out of trouble.
I think he's a player with some great skills but just doesn't have that mental edge.
We often see Cleary's kicking game brought up in argument and fortunately for him he had the luxury of having his Dad help him - since he was knee high to a grasshopper - perfect those skills.

I just don't believe he's a complete write off and wonder if playing him off the bench is actually helping him work on other aspects of his game - which is sorely needed right now. Plus I honestly don't want to see us waste money in chasing Lachlan Lewis or a Townsend type, when Luke's a better player than both.

Yes I think a halves coach or mentor would be ideal for Brooks. If you look at the current halves that have actually improved their game significantly they have had a coach or mentor like the Johns brothers in their camp. Madge tried to get this happening by bringing in Laurie Daley last season, but alas the NRL knocked it on the head for whatever lame reason.

I would wager that we'd all be seeing a different Luke Brooks right now if the Daley assignment had've worked out. If we aren't allowed to have Daley then perhaps Madge can pursue someone else - Scott Prince, Brett Kimmorley or Matthew Johns perhaps? Even though the latter is a tosser ?

The three of them are tossers
 
@pawsandclaws1 said in [The inevitable Luke Brooks thread\.\.](/post/1190351) said:
@Russell said in [The inevitable Luke Brooks thread\.\.](/post/1190322) said:
What is the full story with Zane Camroux?

How old?

Video looks real good. Had forgot about him, saw highlights last year but didn't remember until Paws put up the highlights.

Looks like he could be anything, I think he is worth nursing, getting a great coach for him.

He's in our U20s and is a Holy Cross Ryde product like a couple of other useful halves. I read he had offers from other clubs but his family brought him into WTs to sign. He is fast, has a good step, kicks goals. His father was a good half for the Tigers. How good is it his family wanted him to play with WTs?

Do you know how old he is Paws - looks about 17.
 
@Russell said in [The inevitable Luke Brooks thread\.\.](/post/1190354) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [The inevitable Luke Brooks thread\.\.](/post/1190351) said:
@Russell said in [The inevitable Luke Brooks thread\.\.](/post/1190322) said:
What is the full story with Zane Camroux?

How old?

Video looks real good. Had forgot about him, saw highlights last year but didn't remember until Paws put up the highlights.

Looks like he could be anything, I think he is worth nursing, getting a great coach for him.

He's in our U20s and is a Holy Cross Ryde product like a couple of other useful halves. I read he had offers from other clubs but his family brought him into WTs to sign. He is fast, has a good step, kicks goals. His father was a good half for the Tigers. How good is it his family wanted him to play with WTs?

Do you know how old he is Paws - looks about 17.

No.
 
@pawsandclaws1 said in [The inevitable Luke Brooks thread\.\.](/post/1190360) said:
@Russell said in [The inevitable Luke Brooks thread\.\.](/post/1190354) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [The inevitable Luke Brooks thread\.\.](/post/1190351) said:
@Russell said in [The inevitable Luke Brooks thread\.\.](/post/1190322) said:
What is the full story with Zane Camroux?

How old?

Video looks real good. Had forgot about him, saw highlights last year but didn't remember until Paws put up the highlights.

Looks like he could be anything, I think he is worth nursing, getting a great coach for him.

He's in our U20s and is a Holy Cross Ryde product like a couple of other useful halves. I read he had offers from other clubs but his family brought him into WTs to sign. He is fast, has a good step, kicks goals. His father was a good half for the Tigers. How good is it his family wanted him to play with WTs?

Do you know how old he is Paws - looks about 17.

No.

Think he is at least 1 or 2 years away -doesn't help with no lower grades at the moment.
 
@pawsandclaws1 said in [The inevitable Luke Brooks thread\.\.](/post/1190265) said:
With all the speculation around halves, this is one of our own. It's only juniors of course but the talent is there. He is quick and elusive and scored a nice try against the Dragons this year in U20s beating two or three players with his step.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWpr2iuTecE

got a nice boot on him as well for GK
 
@Russell said in [The inevitable Luke Brooks thread\.\.](/post/1190354) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [The inevitable Luke Brooks thread\.\.](/post/1190351) said:
@Russell said in [The inevitable Luke Brooks thread\.\.](/post/1190322) said:
What is the full story with Zane Camroux?

How old?

Video looks real good. Had forgot about him, saw highlights last year but didn't remember until Paws put up the highlights.

Looks like he could be anything, I think he is worth nursing, getting a great coach for him.

He's in our U20s and is a Holy Cross Ryde product like a couple of other useful halves. I read he had offers from other clubs but his family brought him into WTs to sign. He is fast, has a good step, kicks goals. His father was a good half for the Tigers. How good is it his family wanted him to play with WTs?

Do you know how old he is Paws - looks about 17.

Yes, he's 17. I used to work with one of his uncles. Comes from a very good family, hard workers and reasonably intelligent too, good football brain on him. He's no midget either and is still growing. Suspect he'll end up a strong 6 with a playing weight up towards 100kg in the next few years.

![e5ca9931-2c72-4982-a7c9-dd9baed0278c-image.png](/assets/uploads/files/1595733552445-e5ca9931-2c72-4982-a7c9-dd9baed0278c-image.png)
 
@Magpie1969 said in [The inevitable Luke Brooks thread\.\.](/post/1190337) said:
The NRL really lacks quality half backs. Interesting to hear the Forum Members thoughts why there has been a deterioration over the last couple of season's?

It’s a really good question.
It’s a strange time when the best halfbacks are DCE and Cleary.
Have no idea why this is but I’m sure that this dearth of talent there won’t last.
 
@bigsiro said in [The inevitable Luke Brooks thread\.\.](/post/1190429) said:
@Magpie1969 said in [The inevitable Luke Brooks thread\.\.](/post/1190337) said:
The NRL really lacks quality half backs. Interesting to hear the Forum Members thoughts why there has been a deterioration over the last couple of season's?

It’s a really good question.
It’s a strange time when the best halfbacks are DCE and Cleary.
Have no idea why this is but I’m sure that this dearth of talent there won’t last.

I would have Luke Keary and Cameron Munster ahead of both ...but I guess they are not halfbacks..
 
@Magpie1969 said in [The inevitable Luke Brooks thread\.\.](/post/1190441) said:
If funds are available should we offer Keary or Munster 1.2 million a season for three years.

Neither will come here...
 
@Magpie1969 said in [The inevitable Luke Brooks thread\.\.](/post/1190441) said:
If funds are available should we offer Keary or Munster 1.2 million a season for three years.

According to the NRL top 100 earners list that came out in 2 parts, yesterday and today.
Brooks $600k
Keary $700k
Munster $850k
 
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