The line in the sand - Article

[TrueTiger]

. I became truly angry at WT performance for the first time last week against Newcastle. That is irrational, getting angry at a bloody football game

Jeeeesus NT- where have you been for the last 10 years then?? Getting angry when watching the footy is a weekly occurence for me unfortunately!
My neighbours must love it :sign:

Good on you mate for sticking with the Tigers, nothing worthwhile ever comes easy :supporter:

I can absolutely relate to everything you guys mention,Im one of the most vocal at a game,pay my membership and get just as disgruntled as the next bloke with this entire club from admin to players to coach..
My opinion of this whole sorry NRL is that until we become a very,very financial club with lots of money to recruit quality players and or coach,we will remain an average football club at best…If you look at some other sports world wide and this is only a small example,take the NBL,NFL,SOCCER,BASEBALL just to name a few,they have millions upon millions to splurge on players coaches etc and the ones with the most money are usually the ones that are very competative and make the top 4 or finals regularly..not saying year after year but regularly...
We can bag the coach,bag the admin,bag the players,but until we bag some very serious cash,then the path we are on will be long...I understand that the backended contracts etc have hampered us severely and trying to get the cap down to a decent level so as we can recruit quality players will take quite a bit of work..I dont want to sack the coach as this would only put us further behind the eight ball and wont really solve the ongoing problem of an inadequate playing roster as our recent bench selections have shown...We have to hang in there,persevere with what we have got and hope the coach and players deliver us somewhere near the top 8 or 10 and we will have had a good year,hopefully by 2017/18 we may start becoming the team that this fan base,supporters and members deserve..competative,strong and stable....Wests Tigers one for all and all for one....united we stand....this is what I 😛ray: for every year......

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

All a bit drastic. They have played 6 games and have been in a position to win all 6\. There has not been a game yet where they have been no chance of winning, translation: they are competitive.

They are no more than 15% improvement away from being a top 8 team.

15%. Really?. That's a surprise Gary. Imo, defence alone needs at least 50% improvement.
Then we need to improve our ball control, execution and kicking game.
Add the fact that our halves need to improve their footy smarts on top of that, would bring it up higher then 15% :wink:

Yes, ball control and execution needs to improve and once they do, the defence will improve. It's a simple matter of improving defence by one try per match. It's not insurmountable.

 

[cqtiger]

"Talk about fairweather supporters, if we were an army i'd hate to follow some WT supporters into battle".

Hehe the die-hards would just march aimlessly, without question, into battle. The fair-weathers would just wait and see how the first wave performs. All the while our inept generals would blame it all on the enemy having better soldiers, equipment as well as the high ground as to why we aren't winning. Hehe

Hehe, Someone else mentioned the difference between a fan and a supporter. There is no difference. Unless you are a member then it makes no difference at all. However, unless you are a season ticket holder, who really cares? Hehe

We all know that the key criteria for ALL clubs is bums on seats. Season ticket holders are a precious commodity because even if they don't turn up to the game the club still has your money.

Nuff said (hehe)

 

[happy_tiger]

"Talk about fairweather supporters, if we were an army i'd hate to follow some WT supporters into battle".

Hehe the die-hards would just march aimlessly, without question, into battle. The fair-weathers would just wait and see how the first wave performs. All the while our inept generals would blame it all on the enemy having better soldiers, equipment as well as the high ground as to why we aren't winning. Hehe

Hehe, Someone else mentioned the difference between a fan and a supporter. There is no difference. Unless you are a member then it makes no difference at all. However, unless you are a season ticket holder, who really cares? Hehe

We all know that the key criteria for ALL clubs is bums on seats. Season ticket holders are a precious commodity because even if they don't turn up to the game the club still has your money.

Nuff said (hehe)

CQ we should just nuke the lot and start again :smiley:

 

[tigermac88]

Does anyone else think it is amusing that people think withholding membership or stop attending games is hurting the club….

SUre they want members, but IM not a member to give the club money, Im a member because I enjoy going to games of football.

Im punishing myself by not going a hell of a lot more than I am the club!

You might enjoy attending the games and forking out money to the club to watch crap… some of us don't, big deal.

 

[jirskyr]

Does anyone else think it is amusing that people think withholding membership or stop attending games is hurting the club….

SUre they want members, but IM not a member to give the club money, Im a member because I enjoy going to games of football.

Im punishing myself by not going a hell of a lot more than I am the club!

You might enjoy attending the games and forking out money to the club to watch crap… some of us don't, big deal.

This is not an attack, but I am curious.

Why do you come on the forum and write about Tigers so much if you don't want to watch the games after a run of losses? There are reportedly some 100-150 thousand WT fans around the country, the whole spectrum of involvement, but only a few hundred come in here and post on a regular occasion.

That's not to say supporters that don't use the forums aren't as involved, just that I get surprised to hear about people who will stop watching the team, or walk away, or revoke memberships, but they'll take the trouble to come on here and talk about it. Not that they aren't entitled to, just that if you feel strongly enough to stop giving the team your money, how does it also work that you want to keep talking about the team as well?

Are you happy enough to watch them, but if they lose, glad you didn't really pay for it (unless you are watching it via subscription)? Or you can't bear the idea of paying $25 to see the team get beat? Or you prefer not to watch the team when they are struggling, but you care enough to still come online and talk about the team?

 

[tigermac88]

Does anyone else think it is amusing that people think withholding membership or stop attending games is hurting the club….

SUre they want members, but IM not a member to give the club money, Im a member because I enjoy going to games of football.

Im punishing myself by not going a hell of a lot more than I am the club!

You might enjoy attending the games and forking out money to the club to watch crap… some of us don't, big deal.

This is not an attack, but I am curious.

Why do you come on the forum and write about Tigers so much if you don't want to watch the games after a run of losses? There are reportedly some 100-150 thousand WT fans around the country, the whole spectrum of involvement, but only a few hundred come in here and post on a regular occasion.

That's not to say supporters that don't use the forums aren't as involved, just that I get surprised to hear about people who will stop watching the team, or walk away, or revoke memberships, but they'll take the trouble to come on here and talk about it. Not that they aren't entitled to, just that if you feel strongly enough to stop giving the team your money, how does it also work that you want to keep talking about the team as well?

Are you happy enough to watch them, but if they lose, glad you didn't really pay for it (unless you are watching it via subscription)? Or you can't bear the idea of paying $25 to see the team get beat? Or you prefer not to watch the team when they are struggling, but you care enough to still come online and talk about the team?

I live and breathe Rugby League, I coach a team, I watch 4 or 5 NRL games a week, I often go and watch RMC games… I've followed Balmain and the Wests Tigers for 42 years. I will still watch Tigers games even when they're losing but the frustration levels really get me at times to the point where I say i couldn't be bothered going to the game to travel all the way home disappointed. As for the money side of things I just now am choosing to give up putting money into something that annoys me. It's more than crap performances it's the incompetent coach and his selections and the way the club is run like a circus without it appearing to getting any better.... I'm not a wealthy man so I'd rather put the money to something more productive at this point in time

 

[tigermac88]

As for coming on the forum, I come on here to read opinions of other Wests fans. Like I said I live and breathe rugby league which I suppose means I really I enjoy discussing it too

 

[Tigermama]

All a bit drastic. They have played 6 games and have been in a position to win all 6\. There has not been a game yet where they have been no chance of winning, translation: they are competitive.

They are no more than 15% improvement away from being a top 8 team.

15%. Really?. That's a surprise Gary. Imo, defence alone needs at least 50% improvement.
Then we need to improve our ball control, execution and kicking game.
Add the fact that our halves need to improve their footy smarts on top of that, would bring it up higher then 15% :wink:

Somewhere in the region of 115%

Lol.. That's more like it. :laughing:

 

[Tigermama]

All a bit drastic. They have played 6 games and have been in a position to win all 6\. There has not been a game yet where they have been no chance of winning, translation: they are competitive.

They are no more than 15% improvement away from being a top 8 team.

15%. Really?. That's a surprise Gary. Imo, defence alone needs at least 50% improvement.
Then we need to improve our ball control, execution and kicking game.
Add the fact that our halves need to improve their footy smarts on top of that, would bring it up higher then 15% :wink:

Yes, ball control and execution needs to improve and once they do, the defence will improve. It's a simple matter of improving defence by one try per match. It's not insurmountable.

Hope you're right Gary.

 

[Tigermama]

"Talk about fairweather supporters, if we were an army i'd hate to follow some WT supporters into battle".

Hehe the die-hards would just march aimlessly, without question, into battle. The fair-weathers would just wait and see how the first wave performs. All the while our inept generals would blame it all on the enemy having better soldiers, equipment as well as the high ground as to why we aren't winning. Hehe

Hehe, Someone else mentioned the difference between a fan and a supporter. There is no difference. Unless you are a member then it makes no difference at all. However, unless you are a season ticket holder, who really cares? Hehe

We all know that the key criteria for ALL clubs is bums on seats. Season ticket holders are a precious commodity because even if they don't turn up to the game the club still has your money.

Nuff said (hehe)

Hehe…There's alot of chuckling going on CQ. :laughing:

 

[Tigermama]

Does anyone else think it is amusing that people think withholding membership or stop attending games is hurting the club….

SUre they want members, but IM not a member to give the club money, Im a member because I enjoy going to games of football.

Im punishing myself by not going a hell of a lot more than I am the club!

You might enjoy attending the games and forking out money to the club to watch crap… some of us don't, big deal.

This is not an attack, but I am curious.

Why do you come on the forum and write about Tigers so much if you don't want to watch the games after a run of losses? There are reportedly some 100-150 thousand WT fans around the country, the whole spectrum of involvement, but only a few hundred come in here and post on a regular occasion.

That's not to say supporters that don't use the forums aren't as involved, just that I get surprised to hear about people who will stop watching the team, or walk away, or revoke memberships, but they'll take the trouble to come on here and talk about it. Not that they aren't entitled to, just that if you feel strongly enough to stop giving the team your money, how does it also work that you want to keep talking about the team as well?

Are you happy enough to watch them, but if they lose, glad you didn't really pay for it (unless you are watching it via subscription)? Or you can't bear the idea of paying $25 to see the team get beat? Or you prefer not to watch the team when they are struggling, but you care enough to still come online and talk about the team?

I live and breathe Rugby League, I coach a team, I watch 4 or 5 NRL games a week, I often go and watch RMC games… I've followed Balmain and the Wests Tigers for 42 years. I will still watch Tigers games even when they're losing but the frustration levels really get me at times to the point where I say i couldn't be bothered going to the game to travel all the way home disappointed. As for the money side of things I just now am choosing to give up putting money into something that annoys me. It's more than crap performances it's the incompetent coach and his selections and the way the club is run like a circus without it appearing to getting any better.... I'm not a wealthy man so I'd rather put the money to something more productive at this point in time

Well said Mac.

 

[foreveratiger]

Does anyone else think it is amusing that people think withholding membership or stop attending games is hurting the club….

SUre they want members, but IM not a member to give the club money, Im a member because I enjoy going to games of football.

Im punishing myself by not going a hell of a lot more than I am the club!

You might enjoy attending the games and forking out money to the club to watch crap… some of us don't, big deal.

This is not an attack, but I am curious.

Why do you come on the forum and write about Tigers so much if you don't want to watch the games after a run of losses? There are reportedly some 100-150 thousand WT fans around the country, the whole spectrum of involvement, but only a few hundred come in here and post on a regular occasion.

That's not to say supporters that don't use the forums aren't as involved, just that I get surprised to hear about people who will stop watching the team, or walk away, or revoke memberships, but they'll take the trouble to come on here and talk about it. Not that they aren't entitled to, just that if you feel strongly enough to stop giving the team your money, how does it also work that you want to keep talking about the team as well?

Are you happy enough to watch them, but if they lose, glad you didn't really pay for it (unless you are watching it via subscription)? Or you can't bear the idea of paying $25 to see the team get beat? Or you prefer not to watch the team when they are struggling, but you care enough to still come online and talk about the team?

I live and breathe Rugby League, I coach a team, I watch 4 or 5 NRL games a week, I often go and watch RMC games… I've followed Balmain and the Wests Tigers for 42 years. I will still watch Tigers games even when they're losing but the frustration levels really get me at times to the point where I say i couldn't be bothered going to the game to travel all the way home disappointed. As for the money side of things I just now am choosing to give up putting money into something that annoys me. It's more than crap performances it's the incompetent coach and his selections and the way the club is run like a circus without it appearing to getting any better.... I'm not a wealthy man so I'd rather put the money to something more productive at this point in time

When people buy Memberships every year Religiously of how the team is going, the Club is not accountable of how things are being run.
This year we supposedly have had an increase in membership to 12,000 I believe…..In my mind those figures have been botched, you can't possibly tell me after the Robbie vs JT saga in the off season that we have had an increase in numbers?
People that give there money ever year regardless of circumstances? Means you support the actions of the Club and the mess it got us in.

This Club that I so dearly love and trust that they are doing the right thing by us has put us through alot of pain the last few years we have had to see players like Fafita, Heignington, Beau Ryan, Bryce Gibbs, Adam Blair, Taupau and even gets you thinking whether Gareth Ellis got paid a percentage of his final year of his Contract money so he can leave early cause of the mess we were in.
Now I know people will be reading the names of the players I mentioned and saying to themselves " they did us a favour that some of those players left " it's not the point as we have had to let them go while still being under Contract cause we didn't know how to run a football Club and the people that we trusted to do so.
They have failed in there duty.

When was the last time we had a signing that made you jump in the air for joy? Adam Blair, Gareth Ellis.....going back 5 years 😱pen_mouth:, yeah sure we have signed players like Anasta ( past used by date) , Taupau was relatively unknown and playing Reserve Grade at the Dogs when we got him, Pettybourne was an ok signing at the time but did diddly squat here.
If our Club came out with signings such as Jennings, Foran, Scott, Gordon our Memberships would hit the roof.

I totally understand people for not renewing there memberships and don't think your any less of a supporter than someone that pays a Season ticket some just accept crap that's dished out by the Club or they don't want to lose the same seat they have had for years.

I ask you Forumers this.....I work in an Organisation that has a Union, do I keep paying my money if I feel there not doing the right thing by me?

I've been a Season ticket holder when your always languishing on the bottom of the ladder and throughout the Season there is nothing worse than feeling " i have to go to the footy today ".

I'm realistic that our squad isn't a top 8 side and I can accept loosing as long as I see progression in the team , but what I have seen is anything but that from last year
year.....will wait till the end of the year and judge it as a whole but it's not looking good.

 

[Chevy]

At times you wonder if our club does have a plan,it's frustrating as we more often then not appear rudderless both on and probably more important off the field.

 

[jirskyr]

When people buy Memberships every year Religiously of how the team is going, the Club is not accountable of how things are being run.
This year we supposedly have had an increase in membership to 12,000 I believe…..In my mind those figures have been botched, you can't possibly tell me after the Robbie vs JT saga in the off season that we have had an increase in numbers?
People that give there money ever year regardless of circumstances? Means you support the actions of the Club and the mess it got us in.

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I ask you Forumers this…..I work in an Organisation that has a Union, do I keep paying my money if I feel there not doing the right thing by me?

I understand and share the passion you have for our club and it's management and performances.

But I've been trying to make two points in this thread:
1) That a club without much money suffers more when you stop supporting them financially.
2) That membership is not representation, it is a subscription service.

Unionism is payment for representation - you might get a vote, or support in disputes, or lobbying for work conditions.

Football membership is a ticket and a hat. Maybe the club sends you special letters or gives you discounts on merchandise. You are telling the club that you will guarantee some attendance regardless of results or weather. It's like buying merchandise really - tangible and bankable income for the club.

Membership is not representation. Adding or revoking your membership doesn't really have any impact on governance at all. You don't select or vote for representatives, you have no specific voice, you aren't invited to annual reviews. If you want that, join the Leagues Club.

All that revoking membership does is save you money on games you don't want to attend any more, and take that guaranteed revenue away from the club. Maybe if membership drops astronomically there is an impact - perhaps the membership manager loses his job and the club tries to find out what the cause might be.

So the club rings you next time about your membership, and you tell them that you are not renewing because you don't support the governance of the club. Well that's fine and dandy, perhaps they write that down or tally it in their spreadsheet, but these people are not elected by you, they aren't going to give up their jobs because you aren't a member any more.

Worse still is that membership probably tracks very closely with results, so if we are losing and you pull your membership, they are probably going to explain it by on-field. And let's be honest, on-field is really all that counts for supporters, because we don't really know what happens behind-the-scenes. You might be upset with the way the club is run, but that's really only because your favourite player is not being selected, or your hated player is, or we just aren't winning enough for your liking.

 

[tigermac88]

And like has been stated earlier in this thread and other threads jirskyr our club has millionaire owners and our club choose to throw money away by not playing more games at ANZ and losing money when we play at our suburban grounds, so why should it be up to the membership to prop them up

 

[Love_the_WestsTigers]

My 2cents worth, yes there are benefits to playing at ANZ But its probably the worst atmosphere for the fans.
In a stadium seating 80K and 11k turning up to watch the game really doesnt do much
So many empty seats, wonder what goes through the players minds when they look up and see the poor turn out.

The same 11k at LO or CSS make a lot more noise and make it that much more pleasurable to be at

 

[Goose]

Ive read all these posts.

Like you TigerMac, I love the game and watch all 8 games, attend lower level footy and the rest. I do it cause I love it. The same reason I buy membership, so i can enjoy it.

If I stop being a member or attending games what does it achieve. It achieves me not doing something I like doing. The club doesnt give 2 hoots really whether I go.

As for being accountable, the blokes involved are looking at results and whatever and are as disappointed as anyone. They are trying to win. They are accountable for the results, and get sacked.

They think they are doing the right thing, that is why they are doing it! Whether it is or not is debatable, but you withdrawing your membership doesnt change what they think the right path is.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

My 2cents worth, yes there are benefits to playing at ANZ But its probably the worst atmosphere for the fans.
In a stadium seating 80K and 11k turning up to watch the game really doesnt do much
So many empty seats, wonder what goes through the players minds when they look up and see the poor turn out.

The same 11k at LO or CSS make a lot more noise and make it that much more pleasurable to be at

And more pleasurable to watch on TV as creates an atmosphere of diehards close up to the action getting involved in the game.

 

[Love_the_WestsTigers]

My 2cents worth, yes there are benefits to playing at ANZ But its probably the worst atmosphere for the fans.
In a stadium seating 80K and 11k turning up to watch the game really doesnt do much
So many empty seats, wonder what goes through the players minds when they look up and see the poor turn out.

The same 11k at LO or CSS make a lot more noise and make it that much more pleasurable to be at

And more pleasurable to watch on TV as creates an atmosphere of diehards close up to the action getting involved in the game.

Thats me BFF :frowning:
Cant get into the action unless they play here in Brisbane.
Have my ticket penciled for 27th May when we take on the Broncs