The next controversial call the Wests Tigers must make

[innsaneink]

They were all competing for the finals halfway thru the year… It mattered and affected all teams

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

You are right we only needed to get the point that we needed, but with three chances we weren't good enough.
**One point that is glossed over is that we were assisted in getting to eighth spot by an unusual circumstance of Parra losing most of their points.**
(Deservedly so).
No matter what the circumstances were we had the chance three times to put us in the Semis and weren't good enough each time,
Other teams higher than us had bad luck stories in games at times last year too, but they overcame that and made it.

It's hardly glossed over. It's been reminded to us no less than 50 times over the last few months. If you mean it's been glossed over outside the forum, maybe it is because not everyone sees our position with an asterisk next to it, because if you look hard enough every year you will find teams who exceeded expectations due to others not meeting their''s. Very weird that supporters would constantly use this argument to diminish their own team..

It's called facing facts.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Regardless of where Parra made the eight or not , we were the only other team that actually could make it at the end of the season ( which is the end that matters, ) the other teams were behind us so it made no difference to them.
As I said there were other things that cost us a spot.
We had 4 chances in the last 4weeks to make it if we were good enough, we weren't .
We , (I don't mean you personally) as a club, need to stop coming up with excuses.
It no longer means a thing
In a few weeks we start over again, and this year we probably will have 16 teams in the race again. It's not going to be any easier to get to the semis

 

[GNR4LIFE]

You are right we only needed to get the point that we needed, but with three chances we weren't good enough.
**One point that is glossed over is that we were assisted in getting to eighth spot by an unusual circumstance of Parra losing most of their points.**
(Deservedly so).
No matter what the circumstances were we had the chance three times to put us in the Semis and weren't good enough each time,
Other teams higher than us had bad luck stories in games at times last year too, but they overcame that and made it.

It's hardly glossed over. It's been reminded to us no less than 50 times over the last few months. If you mean it's been glossed over outside the forum, maybe it is because not everyone sees our position with an asterisk next to it, because if you look hard enough every year you will find teams who exceeded expectations due to others not meeting their''s. Very weird that supporters would constantly use this argument to diminish their own team..

It's called facing facts.

I think what it is is desperation to water down any positives we've had due to your personal dislike of the coach.

 

[boonboon]

Not sure how Parra assisted us last year - we played a team $1m over the cap and lost by 8 points. If we had been playing Parra without their extra cash at the end of the year we might have been in the 8

 

[innsaneink]

Yes… We missed the eight.
We get it
Thanks scoop

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Not sure how Parra assisted us last year - we played a team $1m over the cap and lost by 8 points. If we had been playing Parra without their extra cash at the end of the year we might have been in the 8

Well we get the chance to show them in a month or so, that we're better Than that .

 

[Tiger4life]

Well written. We didn't make the 8 last year and there is already talk of softening the Top 4 target this year. Why? So JT is not held accountable. The targets are a furphy, because we know JT is a protected species despite all the rhetoric which suggests otherwise. And as you have correctly written, having an opinion does not make you less or a supporter only one which recognises this club has gone backwards on the field under Taylor.

I hardly think JT is a protected species. The knives were out for him last year, and bet your bottom dollar they will be out again this year if Tigers have a run of losses. Taylor is not hugely popular across the media, not particularly respected amongst fans and under huge pressure to get a historically poor resulted team to the finals.

Or put it this way, if Taylor gets Tigers to the finals in 2017, it will be only the 4th time it's happened in 18 seasons. People can say that it's not asking much to make the finals, but clearly for the Tigers, it's asking a lot.

In terms of the public "3 year plan" for results, I think some people look into this too hard. Of course teams aim to make the finals and then improve on the previous seasons - that is standard for sports clubs and what fans expect. Nobody is going to realistically plan to come 8th in the second year and hope to achieve the same result in the 3rd year. No business sets public budgets that are flat or worse than last year, it ruins public sentiment.

So I don't think you can realistically say Tigers are softening their 3rd-year plan excessively if they are happy with less than a Top 4 finish. Nor is it realistic that they would reduce their target for the sole purpose of keeping Jason Taylor in his job as a "protected species". The club have made it clear they want management stability and intelligent spending, as much as any on-field results. Plans should also adapt based on recent performance.

In the last 5 years, only 5 sides have made the Top 4 more than once; 10 sides have made it total. It's not realistic for most clubs to think they are going to be in the Top 4 on a regular basis, that's just not how things work.

Both of you also have this thing about Tigers going backwards under Taylor. I simply can't understand how you can support this overall. I'm a stats person and in 2015 I made a point of how Tigers did better in defence versus Potter years. A lot of negative feedback was along the lines of "you can make stats say anything", "maybe we concede less points overall but our defence is not powerful enough", "sure defence was improved but our position on the table was still unacceptable", "our defence did improve but I think it was at the expense of the attack" (aka the old Taylorball argument).

So sure, defence was improved in 2015 but we came 15th, so really what good did it do us? For me, it was the start of seeing changes where I felt they were needed most, even if the results didn't come straight away. Then last year we came 9th and it sucked to miss the finals, but it was the best table result since 2011\. But no, T4L wants to go back to the defence argument now as it suits, that the defence got worse in 2016 and despite the better win frequency, we are apparently going backwards.

So if you take that approach, you will find some element of club performance that does not improve year on year. If you look hard enough, you'll find something where Taylor is overseeing some drop in performance. Of course that argument works the other way, it works that you can also find modest improvements to support the coach.

But after coming 10th, 15th, 13th, 15th since 2012, how can 9th not be an improvement? I don't get it.

Let me take you back to one game and this will tell you why defence is so important. LO round 26, season on the line, win and make semis, packed crowd, day game, beautiful weather…. Tell me the halftime score again..... Same thing a few backs against the panthers. Tigers have natural attacking flair all over the park and again I will say it Taylor's whole philosophy is about defence. You don't believe me listen to the man himself:

"_Defence is number one for us because we have been really, really poor in the past. "

"We’ve got to change that and if you want to be in the top eight in the NRL you need to get yourself up the ladder as far as the defensive performances go."_

I wouldn't know him from a bar of soap to dislike or like him. But do I dislike some of his coaching decisions yes. I would love for us to have a break out year in 2017 and make finals and if we do sure give him an extension. But if we don't then see ya later. You all gave him excuses for last year like Farah undermining him, second tier cap, young team. That's all behind us now , so no excuses this year.

Jason Taylor must have missed at least 30-40 tackles that day …

What .... he didn't play .... your kidding right ...... you get the picture

Ummm.. no I don't get the picture. Jason Taylor is our coach right, or is he still playing for north Sydney bears. Last time I checked it was a coachs job to get the players ready for the biggest game of the year both mentally and with a game plan. He didn't do either. Actually failed miserabley. So you want to credit taylor with doing an amazing job and getting us to 9th but he gets no blame for that debacle, interesting.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

We could blame him for getting rid of the most consistent tackler we had - that should have upped moral 50%.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

I hardly think JT is a protected species. The knives were out for him last year, and bet your bottom dollar they will be out again this year if Tigers have a run of losses. Taylor is not hugely popular across the media, not particularly respected amongst fans and under huge pressure to get a historically poor resulted team to the finals.

Or put it this way, if Taylor gets Tigers to the finals in 2017, it will be only the 4th time it's happened in 18 seasons. People can say that it's not asking much to make the finals, but clearly for the Tigers, it's asking a lot.

In terms of the public "3 year plan" for results, I think some people look into this too hard. Of course teams aim to make the finals and then improve on the previous seasons - that is standard for sports clubs and what fans expect. Nobody is going to realistically plan to come 8th in the second year and hope to achieve the same result in the 3rd year. No business sets public budgets that are flat or worse than last year, it ruins public sentiment.

So I don't think you can realistically say Tigers are softening their 3rd-year plan excessively if they are happy with less than a Top 4 finish. Nor is it realistic that they would reduce their target for the sole purpose of keeping Jason Taylor in his job as a "protected species". The club have made it clear they want management stability and intelligent spending, as much as any on-field results. Plans should also adapt based on recent performance.

In the last 5 years, only 5 sides have made the Top 4 more than once; 10 sides have made it total. It's not realistic for most clubs to think they are going to be in the Top 4 on a regular basis, that's just not how things work.

Both of you also have this thing about Tigers going backwards under Taylor. I simply can't understand how you can support this overall. I'm a stats person and in 2015 I made a point of how Tigers did better in defence versus Potter years. A lot of negative feedback was along the lines of "you can make stats say anything", "maybe we concede less points overall but our defence is not powerful enough", "sure defence was improved but our position on the table was still unacceptable", "our defence did improve but I think it was at the expense of the attack" (aka the old Taylorball argument).

So sure, defence was improved in 2015 but we came 15th, so really what good did it do us? For me, it was the start of seeing changes where I felt they were needed most, even if the results didn't come straight away. Then last year we came 9th and it sucked to miss the finals, but it was the best table result since 2011\. But no, T4L wants to go back to the defence argument now as it suits, that the defence got worse in 2016 and despite the better win frequency, we are apparently going backwards.

So if you take that approach, you will find some element of club performance that does not improve year on year. If you look hard enough, you'll find something where Taylor is overseeing some drop in performance. Of course that argument works the other way, it works that you can also find modest improvements to support the coach.

But after coming 10th, 15th, 13th, 15th since 2012, how can 9th not be an improvement? I don't get it.

Let me take you back to one game and this will tell you why defence is so important. LO round 26, season on the line, win and make semis, packed crowd, day game, beautiful weather…. Tell me the halftime score again..... Same thing a few backs against the panthers. Tigers have natural attacking flair all over the park and again I will say it Taylor's whole philosophy is about defence. You don't believe me listen to the man himself:

"_Defence is number one for us because we have been really, really poor in the past. "

"We’ve got to change that and if you want to be in the top eight in the NRL you need to get yourself up the ladder as far as the defensive performances go."_

I wouldn't know him from a bar of soap to dislike or like him. But do I dislike some of his coaching decisions yes. I would love for us to have a break out year in 2017 and make finals and if we do sure give him an extension. But if we don't then see ya later. You all gave him excuses for last year like Farah undermining him, second tier cap, young team. That's all behind us now , so no excuses this year.

Jason Taylor must have missed at least 30-40 tackles that day …

What .... he didn't play .... your kidding right ...... you get the picture

Ummm.. no I don't get the picture. Jason Taylor is our coach right, or is he still playing for north Sydney bears. Last time I checked it was a coachs job to get the players ready for the biggest game of the year both mentally and with a game plan. He didn't do either. Actually failed miserabley. So you want to credit taylor with doing an amazing job and getting us to 9th but he gets no blame for that debacle, interesting.

I think it means that when we win, we're supposed to praise our esteemed coach , but when we lose , its all the Sh*t players fault, just a little bet each way. :smiley:

 

[Geo]

Let me take you back to one game and this will tell you why defence is so important. LO round 26, season on the line, win and make semis, packed crowd, day game, beautiful weather…. Tell me the halftime score again..... Same thing a few backs against the panthers. Tigers have natural attacking flair all over the park and again I will say it Taylor's whole philosophy is about defence. You don't believe me listen to the man himself:

"_Defence is number one for us because we have been really, really poor in the past. "

"We’ve got to change that and if you want to be in the top eight in the NRL you need to get yourself up the ladder as far as the defensive performances go."_

I wouldn't know him from a bar of soap to dislike or like him. But do I dislike some of his coaching decisions yes. I would love for us to have a break out year in 2017 and make finals and if we do sure give him an extension. But if we don't then see ya later. You all gave him excuses for last year like Farah undermining him, second tier cap, young team. That's all behind us now , so no excuses this year.

Jason Taylor must have missed at least 30-40 tackles that day …

What .... he didn't play .... your kidding right ...... you get the picture

Ummm.. no I don't get the picture. Jason Taylor is our coach right, or is he still playing for north Sydney bears. Last time I checked it was a coachs job to get the players ready for the biggest game of the year both mentally and with a game plan. He didn't do either. Actually failed miserabley. So you want to credit taylor with doing an amazing job and getting us to 9th but he gets no blame for that debacle, interesting.

I think it means that when we win, we're supposed to praise our esteemed coach , but when we lose , its all the Sh*t players fault, just a little bet each way. :smiley:

No …...you have it backwards..Every Win in the past two years is in spite of the Coach and his dumb game plans and lousey team selections ...deserves no credit with our superiour roster ....every loss is because of the Coach and his dumb game planes and lousey team selections...and is to blame ...

As far as the players go every win is because the opposition were poor that week or had nothing to play for or were off their game and every loss is because Wests Tigers suck

Also please refrain from disgused swearing inf future...hope that clarifies ..you're welcome...

 

[Russell]

We could blame him for getting rid of the most consistent tackler we had - that should have upped moral 50%.

It would have upped moral 50% with all those tackles being made.

Trouble is it would have taken moral down by 200% having him in the team.

Are you sure you are not Farah himself. Please check - it is getting boring talking about players from other clubs.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

Let me take you back to one game and this will tell you why defence is so important. LO round 26, season on the line, win and make semis, packed crowd, day game, beautiful weather…. Tell me the halftime score again..... Same thing a few backs against the panthers. Tigers have natural attacking flair all over the park and again I will say it Taylor's whole philosophy is about defence. You don't believe me listen to the man himself:

"_Defence is number one for us because we have been really, really poor in the past. "

"We’ve got to change that and if you want to be in the top eight in the NRL you need to get yourself up the ladder as far as the defensive performances go."_

I wouldn't know him from a bar of soap to dislike or like him. But do I dislike some of his coaching decisions yes. I would love for us to have a break out year in 2017 and make finals and if we do sure give him an extension. But if we don't then see ya later. You all gave him excuses for last year like Farah undermining him, second tier cap, young team. That's all behind us now , so no excuses this year.

Jason Taylor must have missed at least 30-40 tackles that day …

What .... he didn't play .... your kidding right ...... you get the picture

Ummm.. no I don't get the picture. Jason Taylor is our coach right, or is he still playing for north Sydney bears. Last time I checked it was a coachs job to get the players ready for the biggest game of the year both mentally and with a game plan. He didn't do either. Actually failed miserabley. So you want to credit taylor with doing an amazing job and getting us to 9th but he gets no blame for that debacle, interesting.

I think it means that when we win, we're supposed to praise our esteemed coach , but when we lose , its all the Sh*t players fault, just a little bet each way. :smiley:

Correct. JT's major initiative this year is to surround himself with assistant coaches and defensive coaches so when things head south, as they invariably will, JT will jettison the fall guys, sorry assistants as required.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Let me take you back to one game and this will tell you why defence is so important. LO round 26, season on the line, win and make semis, packed crowd, day game, beautiful weather…. Tell me the halftime score again..... Same thing a few backs against the panthers. Tigers have natural attacking flair all over the park and again I will say it Taylor's whole philosophy is about defence. You don't believe me listen to the man himself:

"_Defence is number one for us because we have been really, really poor in the past. "

"We’ve got to change that and if you want to be in the top eight in the NRL you need to get yourself up the ladder as far as the defensive performances go."_

I wouldn't know him from a bar of soap to dislike or like him. But do I dislike some of his coaching decisions yes. I would love for us to have a break out year in 2017 and make finals and if we do sure give him an extension. But if we don't then see ya later. You all gave him excuses for last year like Farah undermining him, second tier cap, young team. That's all behind us now , so no excuses this year.

Jason Taylor must have missed at least 30-40 tackles that day …

What .... he didn't play .... your kidding right ...... you get the picture

Ummm.. no I don't get the picture. Jason Taylor is our coach right, or is he still playing for north Sydney bears. Last time I checked it was a coachs job to get the players ready for the biggest game of the year both mentally and with a game plan. He didn't do either. Actually failed miserabley. So you want to credit taylor with doing an amazing job and getting us to 9th but he gets no blame for that debacle, interesting.

I think it means that when we win, we're supposed to praise our esteemed coach , but when we lose , its all the Sh*t players fault, just a little bet each way. :smiley:

You've spent the last 4 months barking at how we only got as far as we did because of Parra, refusing to see any positives, and now you laugh at the agenda of others. I wonder if you can see the irony.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

We could blame him for getting rid of the most consistent tackler we had - that should have upped moral 50%.

Kyle Lovett was our most consistent/effective tackler

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

We could blame him for getting rid of the most consistent tackler we had - that should have upped moral 50%.

Kyle Lovett was our most consistent/effective tackler

Well with those two gone I am too scared to watch 2017 games.

 

[happy_tiger]

I hardly think JT is a protected species. The knives were out for him last year, and bet your bottom dollar they will be out again this year if Tigers have a run of losses. Taylor is not hugely popular across the media, not particularly respected amongst fans and under huge pressure to get a historically poor resulted team to the finals.

Or put it this way, if Taylor gets Tigers to the finals in 2017, it will be only the 4th time it's happened in 18 seasons. People can say that it's not asking much to make the finals, but clearly for the Tigers, it's asking a lot.

In terms of the public "3 year plan" for results, I think some people look into this too hard. Of course teams aim to make the finals and then improve on the previous seasons - that is standard for sports clubs and what fans expect. Nobody is going to realistically plan to come 8th in the second year and hope to achieve the same result in the 3rd year. No business sets public budgets that are flat or worse than last year, it ruins public sentiment.

So I don't think you can realistically say Tigers are softening their 3rd-year plan excessively if they are happy with less than a Top 4 finish. Nor is it realistic that they would reduce their target for the sole purpose of keeping Jason Taylor in his job as a "protected species". The club have made it clear they want management stability and intelligent spending, as much as any on-field results. Plans should also adapt based on recent performance.

In the last 5 years, only 5 sides have made the Top 4 more than once; 10 sides have made it total. It's not realistic for most clubs to think they are going to be in the Top 4 on a regular basis, that's just not how things work.

Both of you also have this thing about Tigers going backwards under Taylor. I simply can't understand how you can support this overall. I'm a stats person and in 2015 I made a point of how Tigers did better in defence versus Potter years. A lot of negative feedback was along the lines of "you can make stats say anything", "maybe we concede less points overall but our defence is not powerful enough", "sure defence was improved but our position on the table was still unacceptable", "our defence did improve but I think it was at the expense of the attack" (aka the old Taylorball argument).

So sure, defence was improved in 2015 but we came 15th, so really what good did it do us? For me, it was the start of seeing changes where I felt they were needed most, even if the results didn't come straight away. Then last year we came 9th and it sucked to miss the finals, but it was the best table result since 2011\. But no, T4L wants to go back to the defence argument now as it suits, that the defence got worse in 2016 and despite the better win frequency, we are apparently going backwards.

So if you take that approach, you will find some element of club performance that does not improve year on year. If you look hard enough, you'll find something where Taylor is overseeing some drop in performance. Of course that argument works the other way, it works that you can also find modest improvements to support the coach.

But after coming 10th, 15th, 13th, 15th since 2012, how can 9th not be an improvement? I don't get it.

Let me take you back to one game and this will tell you why defence is so important. LO round 26, season on the line, win and make semis, packed crowd, day game, beautiful weather…. Tell me the halftime score again..... Same thing a few backs against the panthers. Tigers have natural attacking flair all over the park and again I will say it Taylor's whole philosophy is about defence. You don't believe me listen to the man himself:

"_Defence is number one for us because we have been really, really poor in the past. "

"We’ve got to change that and if you want to be in the top eight in the NRL you need to get yourself up the ladder as far as the defensive performances go."_

I wouldn't know him from a bar of soap to dislike or like him. But do I dislike some of his coaching decisions yes. I would love for us to have a break out year in 2017 and make finals and if we do sure give him an extension. But if we don't then see ya later. You all gave him excuses for last year like Farah undermining him, second tier cap, young team. That's all behind us now , so no excuses this year.

Jason Taylor must have missed at least 30-40 tackles that day …

What .... he didn't play .... your kidding right ...... you get the picture

Ummm.. no I don't get the picture. Jason Taylor is our coach right, or is he still playing for north Sydney bears. Last time I checked it was a coachs job to get the players ready for the biggest game of the year both mentally and with a game plan. He didn't do either. Actually failed miserabley. So you want to credit taylor with doing an amazing job and getting us to 9th but he gets no blame for that debacle, interesting.

I realize you don't get the picture , that's why you are arguing with someone who knows what he is talking about …

So if Taylor had a good game plan and had the players up and they played badly it's still Taylor's fault

That's what you are saying

We won't beat Canberra for the next 3 seasons , we don't have the personnel to match them physically

But that's Taylor's fault , isn't it ??

It has been explained in no uncertain terms how badly the club was screwed up by the last two , Humphrey's and Mayer , yet you still blame the coach

Drop the agenda would be the easiest way

 

[innsaneink]

:brick: :brick: :brick:

 

[Pawsandclaws]

Let me take you back to one game and this will tell you why defence is so important. LO round 26, season on the line, win and make semis, packed crowd, day game, beautiful weather…. Tell me the halftime score again..... Same thing a few backs against the panthers. Tigers have natural attacking flair all over the park and again I will say it Taylor's whole philosophy is about defence. You don't believe me listen to the man himself:

"_Defence is number one for us because we have been really, really poor in the past. "

"We’ve got to change that and if you want to be in the top eight in the NRL you need to get yourself up the ladder as far as the defensive performances go."_

I wouldn't know him from a bar of soap to dislike or like him. But do I dislike some of his coaching decisions yes. I would love for us to have a break out year in 2017 and make finals and if we do sure give him an extension. But if we don't then see ya later. You all gave him excuses for last year like Farah undermining him, second tier cap, young team. That's all behind us now , so no excuses this year.

Jason Taylor must have missed at least 30-40 tackles that day …
What .... he didn't play .... your kidding right ...... you get the picture

Ummm.. no I don't get the picture. Jason Taylor is our coach right, or is he still playing for north Sydney bears. Last time I checked it was a coachs job to get the players ready for the biggest game of the year both mentally and with a game plan. He didn't do either. Actually failed miserabley. So you want to credit taylor with doing an amazing job and getting us to 9th but he gets no blame for that debacle, interesting.

I realize you don't get the picture , that's why you are arguing with someone who knows what he is talking about …

So if Taylor had a good game plan and had the players up and they played badly it's still Taylor's fault

That's what you are saying

We won't beat Canberra for the next 3 seasons , we don't have the personnel to match them physically

But that's Taylor's fault , isn't it ??

It has been explained in no uncertain terms how badly the club was screwed up by the last two , Humphrey's and Mayer , yet you still blame the coach

Drop the agenda would be the easiest way

Happy, when does the "new administration" start to take responsibility for anything negative that occurs? They sure enough take responsibility for positive news such as extending contracts but its like they've taken a leaf from the Scott Morrison play book on blaming Labor 3 years after the event for the budget!

As for JT, as has been repeatedly stated ad nauseam, he signed on the dotted line, was not forced and it is called being a leader and taking responsibility for the last two years of garbage.

 

[Tiger4life]

Let me take you back to one game and this will tell you why defence is so important. LO round 26, season on the line, win and make semis, packed crowd, day game, beautiful weather…. Tell me the halftime score again..... Same thing a few backs against the panthers. Tigers have natural attacking flair all over the park and again I will say it Taylor's whole philosophy is about defence. You don't believe me listen to the man himself:

"_Defence is number one for us because we have been really, really poor in the past. "

"We’ve got to change that and if you want to be in the top eight in the NRL you need to get yourself up the ladder as far as the defensive performances go."_

I wouldn't know him from a bar of soap to dislike or like him. But do I dislike some of his coaching decisions yes. I would love for us to have a break out year in 2017 and make finals and if we do sure give him an extension. But if we don't then see ya later. You all gave him excuses for last year like Farah undermining him, second tier cap, young team. That's all behind us now , so no excuses this year.

Jason Taylor must have missed at least 30-40 tackles that day …

What .... he didn't play .... your kidding right ...... you get the picture

Ummm.. no I don't get the picture. Jason Taylor is our coach right, or is he still playing for north Sydney bears. Last time I checked it was a coachs job to get the players ready for the biggest game of the year both mentally and with a game plan. He didn't do either. Actually failed miserabley. So you want to credit taylor with doing an amazing job and getting us to 9th but he gets no blame for that debacle, interesting.

I realize you don't get the picture , that's why you are arguing with someone who knows what he is talking about …

So if Taylor had a good game plan and had the players up and they played badly it's still Taylor's fault

That's what you are saying

We won't beat Canberra for the next 3 seasons , we don't have the personnel to match them physically

But that's Taylor's fault , isn't it ??

It has been explained in no uncertain terms how badly the club was screwed up by the last two , Humphrey's and Mayer , yet you still blame the coach

Drop the agenda would be the easiest way

What agenda , you mean the winning agenda??? Okay I will stop wanting to win. So please tell me how long will it take to stop blaming the previous administration? According to you another 3 years lol. Do you read what you write. And you know what your talking about because….. either you are Jason Taylor or you are related to him. According to you , players don't even need a coach , because the coach has no part to play whatsoever in a teams performance.