The Papenhuyzen decision...

@Tiger5150 said in [The Papenhuyzen decision\.\.\.](/post/1244505) said:
@Fade-To-Black said in [The Papenhuyzen decision\.\.\.](/post/1244493) said:
@Geo said in [The Papenhuyzen decision\.\.\.](/post/1244486) said:
@Fade-To-Black said in [The Papenhuyzen decision\.\.\.](/post/1244480) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [The Papenhuyzen decision\.\.\.](/post/1244455) said:
@jirskyr said in [The Papenhuyzen decision\.\.\.](/post/1244415) said:
@Cultured_Bogan said in [The Papenhuyzen decision\.\.\.](/post/1244408) said:
@jirskyr said in [The Papenhuyzen decision\.\.\.](/post/1244404) said:
Why are we rehashing this topic? It's done to death. Paps took an equivalent offer from Storm to play under Slater and Bellamy, and to get out from behind Tedesco. He is quoted directly about this decision. Tigers matched the Storm offer and Paps decided to leave.

Whatever the exact and most important reasons that he left, it cannot be argued that Tigers had a million-dollar offer on the games' emerging #1 fullback. It also cannot be argued that Storm have and continue to have now the games' most influential (a) player and (b) coach.

Maybe Kelly Egan is/was a complete and utter incompetent moron. Who cares, what more can we do given he's already left the club? Sack him in retrospect? Maybe it would have helped Kelly out if Tigers had the all-time greatest coach going around, to sweeten deals.

No, we must debate this until the end of time.

Mate I'm not even convinced Paps could produce his current form at Tigers. He has the luxury of being in the Storm system at the moment, and he's been there since 2018, playing 1.5 years of QLD cup, almost being released by Storm in 2019.

What everyone really needs to remember is that Brodie Croft is the key to the emergence of Paps at Storm. Storm persisted with Croft for some time, but when he was out and Jahrome Hughes moved to halfback, the Storm clicked and Paps took his opportunity well. Croft obviously since been traded to Broncos and Hughes has gone from fullback to FT halfback.

Even without Paps, the 3rd-stringer option Nicho Hynes is still a handy footballer.


I reckon Nicho Hynes is the epitome of bog average footballer who is made to excell in the Storm system. I cringe everytime some throws his name up in the signings suggestion thread. I reckon he would be very average in our system.

I reckon he will be a pretty good player, he's shown a fair bit of promise to this point. He's gonna be a bloody big unit when he finishes growing, he'll make a good big-bodied 6 ala Fitter.
Wouldn't mind him at WT.

Umm he's 24 yo unless he undertakes a Sharpies regime you woud think his growing is done..

?I thought he was only 20 or so. He is a big frame all the same, he'll be a solid bloke anyhow.


Never considered him big, pretty slight in my opinion. One of these players where you wonder if he was that good, what has he been doing for the last 5-6 years? A very late bloomer.

Another thing I think with Hynes is that he benefits from what I call the "Sharon Woods" effect. He looks a certain way, or a bit different to average with long hair and you notice him. I dont think Hynes is, but I actually think that some players do this intentionally (I reckon Woods did), have something visually different like long hair, big beard etc to get noticed and stand out.

I think your right, I noticed him - especially because of his kicking game especially short and line kicks, defence, cut out passes and the ability to play anywhere in the back line. Oh, he has long hair does he?
 
@Needaname said in [The Papenhuyzen decision\.\.\.](/post/1244460) said:
@ElleryHanley said in [The Papenhuyzen decision\.\.\.](/post/1244401) said:
@Moh said in [The Papenhuyzen decision\.\.\.](/post/1244392) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [The Papenhuyzen decision\.\.\.](/post/1244347) said:
@Moh said in [The Papenhuyzen decision\.\.\.](/post/1244335) said:
Paps was let go before Tedesco was leaving wasn't he?

I don't think anyone would have picked Paps over Tedesco then.

Why did it have to be a choice?

Those who were paid to position the Club to achieve the best results should have ensured our fall back option was secured ie that Papenhuyzen was contracted to WTs.

I'd assume Paps didn't want to sit behind Tedesco. You have to remember at the time, Teddy was our future.

Everyone seems to have gotten away from the original post...Kelly Egan decided to not retain Paps as he was injury prone.

The whole point of the post was to dispel the Tedesco stuff. Chaamas has come out and said Paps was not wanted by Egan.

Thank you @ElleryHanley.
I for one support the angle of your post.
Whilst I won’t get drawn into the Kelly Egan was a terrible appointment arguement I do think it is worth having a discussion about the club at the time and the position it was in. Justin Pascoe, unfortunately for him is the common denominator in all of this. I’ll stand corrected if there are others involved in these decisions but I believe he was involved in the Kelly recruitment just like the Ivan Cleary recruitment.
But Just like then he was recently involved in the Madge and Hartigan recruitment.
Were the first two a rush of blood decision or were was it a case of getting the best available at the time.
I also remember Egan having a list of 3 potential halves partners for Brooks drawn up and mentioned in an interview at the time. Johnson, Widdop and Reynolds. Whilst the recruiting of the first two may have been more of a success they did knock us back and only Reynolds showed interest. What I can’t agree with is that with Widdop and Johnson both being the dominant playmaker of their teams, that Reynolds was bundled into the same category, Reynolds was not his teams ‘playmaker’ and couldn’t goal kick. And in my opinion would of been an astute signing on half his salary ‘without the benefit of hindsight, injuries etc’.
Instead the club throws the sink at him...
Who was responsible.
At the same time of the interview with Egan it was mentioned and confirmed by Pascoe that a recruitment and retention consortium was set up with Pascoe, Egan and Cleary all being involved in the decision making process.
Since we’ve fallen on our feet and found a favourable outcome with Madge. But since Madge’s inception, who made the decision that Egan was the scapegoat for all the past mistakes and commenced the recruitment of Hartigan?

As a side and back on to your topic specifically with Paps. In an interview at the time, to support but also lament Egans comments re Paps and his injury history. Melbourne it was mentioned flew Paps down whilst still contracted to us and paid for a consultation with a specialist for hamstring injuries. The extra attention to ensuring Paps was able to get the rehab he will require to build to a successful career is was pushed him into the storm corner.
I’ve heard similar stories re Tedesco and how the Roosters manage his Knee conditions.

Shows we have a big gap in making sure these players get the right attention they need off the field.

Another side note. Mikalee was the last player to be recruited through our Keebra Park connections prior to ceasing that relationship as a feeder club. I think their were a couple of others that came with him, Connelly Leumulu possibly but yeah have been moved on to other pastures.

Great post mate. Lots of interesting insight there re injuries and treatment. We definitely lag in those areas also, and have done for a long while.
 
@tig_prmz said in [The Papenhuyzen decision\.\.\.](/post/1244557) said:
We let Tedesco go out into the open market by not signing him before Nov 1.

Really ? Do you think that we tried ? You do realize he was looking for an out from us for a while. He just isn't the sort of person we could build around.
 
@pawsandclaws1 said in [The Papenhuyzen decision\.\.\.](/post/1244391) said:
For all WTs' supporters, do not read this thread unless you have liquid tranquiliser available. No I do not know a Dr who would be prepared to prescribe it.

I know this Dr from Redfern ...never mind
 
WT management is definitely to blame for some of the decisions and our overall NRL recruitment hasn't been good, full stop. Also, we need to learn to improve our communication with players and providing them with life outside the NRL. BUT, I strongly feel that we have been shortchanged with a few things and something I will always be salty about:

- We nursed Tedesco through major injuries, got him to Origin and then he first went to Raiders and then to Roosters for a "winning culture", and we ended up losing Papenhuyzen
- Moses throwing away games and throwing tantrums
- Ryan Matterson chasing coin
- Ivan Cleary signing big duds and then jumpig ship
- Farah/Pascor fine
- Taupau signing with Manly a year before his contract was up

We have ourselves to blame for roster management but the above has left such a bad taste that I personally probably won't get over it for a while.

PS I love it when Freddy/Joey/Gould etc call Penrith, Newcastle etc a big junior nursery but never mention Tigers while the whole world talks about how we let the good ones go. Such hypocrisy
 
Can we close this thread off the same crap is getting raised everytime he's moved on and so should we all the whinging and moaning isn't going to bring him back.
 
This is obviously another name for the "Lament" thread - past player, not coming back

Should be merged in my opinion.
 
@Tigerbuck63 said in [Brooks vs Moses](/post/1246923) said:
Brooks was loyal to stay and Moses got what he deserved last night bundled out in straight sets.

Neither player has lived up to expectations from both clubs and expectations on themselves, only player to do this is Tedesco.

No, Papenhuyzen has been simply outstanding and imo is our best junior we have let slip.
 
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Brooks vs Moses](/post/1246945) said:
@Tigerbuck63 said in [Brooks vs Moses](/post/1246923) said:
Brooks was loyal to stay and Moses got what he deserved last night bundled out in straight sets.

Neither player has lived up to expectations from both clubs and expectations on themselves, only player to do this is Tedesco.

No, Papenhuyzen has been simply outstanding and imo is our best junior we have let slip.


Papenhuyzen never played any 1st grade with us so you really can't call him WT player, agree we let slip would have solved a fullback issue now and we have a history of developing fullbacks for other clubs.
 
@Tigerbuck63 said in [Brooks vs Moses](/post/1246985) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Brooks vs Moses](/post/1246945) said:
@Tigerbuck63 said in [Brooks vs Moses](/post/1246923) said:
Brooks was loyal to stay and Moses got what he deserved last night bundled out in straight sets.

Neither player has lived up to expectations from both clubs and expectations on themselves, only player to do this is Tedesco.

No, Papenhuyzen has been simply outstanding and imo is our best junior we have let slip.


Papenhuyzen never played any 1st grade with us so you really can't call him WT player, agree we let slip would have solved a fullback issue now and we have a history of developing fullbacks for other clubs.

He was in the lower grades! Of course he is one of ours and imo will be the biggest bungle this club has made.
 
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Brooks vs Moses](/post/1247021) said:
@Tigerbuck63 said in [Brooks vs Moses](/post/1246985) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Brooks vs Moses](/post/1246945) said:
@Tigerbuck63 said in [Brooks vs Moses](/post/1246923) said:
Brooks was loyal to stay and Moses got what he deserved last night bundled out in straight sets.

Neither player has lived up to expectations from both clubs and expectations on themselves, only player to do this is Tedesco.

No, Papenhuyzen has been simply outstanding and imo is our best junior we have let slip.


Papenhuyzen never played any 1st grade with us so you really can't call him WT player, agree we let slip would have solved a fullback issue now and we have a history of developing fullbacks for other clubs.

He was in the lower grades! Of course he is one of ours and imo will be the biggest bungle this club has made.

You bring him up in almost every thread.
 
@cochise said in [Brooks vs Moses](/post/1247023) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Brooks vs Moses](/post/1247021) said:
@Tigerbuck63 said in [Brooks vs Moses](/post/1246985) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Brooks vs Moses](/post/1246945) said:
@Tigerbuck63 said in [Brooks vs Moses](/post/1246923) said:
Brooks was loyal to stay and Moses got what he deserved last night bundled out in straight sets.

Neither player has lived up to expectations from both clubs and expectations on themselves, only player to do this is Tedesco.

No, Papenhuyzen has been simply outstanding and imo is our best junior we have let slip.


Papenhuyzen never played any 1st grade with us so you really can't call him WT player, agree we let slip would have solved a fullback issue now and we have a history of developing fullbacks for other clubs.

He was in the lower grades! Of course he is one of ours and imo will be the biggest bungle this club has made.

You bring him up in almost every thread.

I didn't raise the issue. Did you read the SMH article?
 
@cochise said in [Brooks vs Moses](/post/1247023) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Brooks vs Moses](/post/1247021) said:
@Tigerbuck63 said in [Brooks vs Moses](/post/1246985) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Brooks vs Moses](/post/1246945) said:
@Tigerbuck63 said in [Brooks vs Moses](/post/1246923) said:
Brooks was loyal to stay and Moses got what he deserved last night bundled out in straight sets.

Neither player has lived up to expectations from both clubs and expectations on themselves, only player to do this is Tedesco.

No, Papenhuyzen has been simply outstanding and imo is our best junior we have let slip.


Papenhuyzen never played any 1st grade with us so you really can't call him WT player, agree we let slip would have solved a fullback issue now and we have a history of developing fullbacks for other clubs.

He was in the lower grades! Of course he is one of ours and imo will be the biggest bungle this club has made.

You bring him up in almost every thread.

I think that search count has gone up to 2000+
 
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Brooks vs Moses](/post/1247025) said:
@cochise said in [Brooks vs Moses](/post/1247023) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Brooks vs Moses](/post/1247021) said:
@Tigerbuck63 said in [Brooks vs Moses](/post/1246985) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Brooks vs Moses](/post/1246945) said:
@Tigerbuck63 said in [Brooks vs Moses](/post/1246923) said:
Brooks was loyal to stay and Moses got what he deserved last night bundled out in straight sets.

Neither player has lived up to expectations from both clubs and expectations on themselves, only player to do this is Tedesco.

No, Papenhuyzen has been simply outstanding and imo is our best junior we have let slip.


Papenhuyzen never played any 1st grade with us so you really can't call him WT player, agree we let slip would have solved a fullback issue now and we have a history of developing fullbacks for other clubs.

He was in the lower grades! Of course he is one of ours and imo will be the biggest bungle this club has made.

You bring him up in almost every thread.

I didn't raise the issue. Did you read the SMH article?

In this thread you did, @Tigerbuck63 posted that Teddy was the only player to live up to expectations and didn't mention paps at all as his post wasn't about that. Then for some reason you respond with a post about paps.
 
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Brooks vs Moses](/post/1246945) said:
@Tigerbuck63 said in [Brooks vs Moses](/post/1246923) said:
Brooks was loyal to stay and Moses got what he deserved last night bundled out in straight sets.

Neither player has lived up to expectations from both clubs and expectations on themselves, only player to do this is Tedesco.

No, Papenhuyzen has been simply outstanding and imo is our best junior we have let slip.

1201
 
@jirskyr said in [Brooks vs Moses](/post/1247044) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Brooks vs Moses](/post/1246945) said:
@Tigerbuck63 said in [Brooks vs Moses](/post/1246923) said:
Brooks was loyal to stay and Moses got what he deserved last night bundled out in straight sets.

Neither player has lived up to expectations from both clubs and expectations on themselves, only player to do this is Tedesco.

No, Papenhuyzen has been simply outstanding and imo is our best junior we have let slip.

1201

Command overload?
 
@mike said in [Brooks vs Moses](/post/1247045) said:
@jirskyr said in [Brooks vs Moses](/post/1247044) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Brooks vs Moses](/post/1246945) said:
@Tigerbuck63 said in [Brooks vs Moses](/post/1246923) said:
Brooks was loyal to stay and Moses got what he deserved last night bundled out in straight sets.

Neither player has lived up to expectations from both clubs and expectations on themselves, only player to do this is Tedesco.

No, Papenhuyzen has been simply outstanding and imo is our best junior we have let slip.

1201

Command overload?

No it's the number of times paws has referred to papenhuyzen. It was 1200 yesterday, just went up by one today.
 
@jirskyr said in [Brooks vs Moses](/post/1247046) said:
@mike said in [Brooks vs Moses](/post/1247045) said:
@jirskyr said in [Brooks vs Moses](/post/1247044) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Brooks vs Moses](/post/1246945) said:
@Tigerbuck63 said in [Brooks vs Moses](/post/1246923) said:
Brooks was loyal to stay and Moses got what he deserved last night bundled out in straight sets.

Neither player has lived up to expectations from both clubs and expectations on themselves, only player to do this is Tedesco.

No, Papenhuyzen has been simply outstanding and imo is our best junior we have let slip.

1201

Command overload?

No it's the number of times paws has referred to papenhuyzen. It was 1200 yesterday, just went up by one today.

Yeah I know it was just me being silly. A reference to Apollo 11 which I even got that wrong. 1201 alarm, Executive Overflow.
 
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