The puzzle of the spine and backline

[Saturnalia]

He only let in one try, was nowhere for a line break down the middle, watched a loose ball get fallen on from 3m away.

can't wait for him to have an amazing game.

 

[tiger05]

He only let in one try, was nowhere for a line break down the middle, watched a loose ball get fallen on from 3m away.

can't wait for him to have an amazing game.

And Farah tried to run it from dummy half on their line on the last tackle. He also kicked it more than once when he had Benji who was on fire outside him and dropped it at the end of the game when we had a chance.

All your points regarding Moltzen are really line ball. What try ? What loose ball ? He won't be there for every break that gets made and no fullback will. The calls against Farah aren't line ball at all.

If your going to argue your point you need to come up with something a lot better than that.

 

[Saturnalia]

First half, kick through the line get's deflected, lands 3m away from moltzen, who turns around and takes his mouth guard out as a dragons forward dives onto it.

The Gasnier try in the corner where instead of tackling the player he did god knows what he was trying to do.

I can also tell you why he wasn't near that line break in the middle, he was at dummy half from the preceding play on the far touchline (I'm going to assume so he could avoid having to take a hitup).

Now tell me how he had a really good game?

 

[Guest]

It's based on our current roster , and although I know nothing like it will ever happen . It gets all our best players in the run on side and all of them in positions which I believe they can and would excel.

Leaving Ayshford out is a tough call ,but I think he would be valuable on the bench as a utility IE can be used in forwards .

Marshall at fullback would carve up . Tuquire was signed to play Center and I believe he would be a power house there. This also accommodates both lui and moltz in he halfs where they will play well.
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Tuqiri was never signed to play centre. He'll either remain on the wing, or be given an outside chance at fullback. Cannot see Benji playing anywhere else except in the halves.

 

[Guest]

Moltzen failed to attack a bomb at the back - let it bounce - apparently listening to the game broadcast on radio on the way home

Not true - he had a really good game.

sure you werent watching the game vs the sharks in 2009?

Yep - and plenty of posters on here knocking him should be admitting he had a good game today.

C'mon - it doesn't hurt to admit he had one good game.

He was alright in attack. Defence and positioning at the back were poor once again though.

 

[supercoach]

Young Sirro looks good, but cant see him playing in the backs for much longer. Although seeing him the other night he reminds me of the late great Jason Sinclair, Tall and so much ball skills, I wonder how he would rate with Aysford for pace. Very similar style players. Although I would not be rushing him for at least another year

 

[biggest_tigers_fan]

seriously anyone thinking moltzen was good today had better watch the other 13 fullbacks that played this week.Seriously hed be ranked 14-15th

 

[Guest]

Young Sirro looks good, but cant see him playing in the backs for much longer. Although seeing him the other night he reminds me of the late great Jason Sinclair, Tall and so much ball skills, I wonder how he would rate with Aysford for pace. Very similar style players. Although I would not be rushing him for at least another year

I reckon they'd be similar for pace, although Sirro will surely fill out more than Ayshford ever will.

 

[Rambo2714]

Moltz played RELATIVELY well at fullback against dragqueens. In fact I would say he looked promising , if he keeps improving i will happily eat my words. Bur agree with the comment about the other 15 fullbacks in the comp .
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[that_guy]

1\. Moltzen
2\. Utai
3\. Ayshford
4\. Lawrence
5\. Tuqiri
6\. Benji
7\. Lui

I don't know why so many people are bagging Moltzen. He has so much talent and just needs to be given a fair go after coming back from a serious injury. He also has something that some of our backline doesnt, which is speed (only Moltz, Lawrence, Benji and Tuqiri have great speed). The sooner people realise that Moltzen is seen as the future fullback, the better we will be. We are supposed to support and stick by the team, not criticise every fault till we become parra supporters.

 

[tiger05]

^^^
Peeps are starting to get it.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

The sooner people realise that Moltzen is seen as the future fullback, the better we will be. We are supposed to support and stick by the team, not criticise every fault till we become parra supporters.

So because I don't think Moltzen is a fullback (which he isn't), I'm not a supporter? Please.

People are bagging Moltzen because his defense is terrible. Everyone goes on and on about speed but playing fullback at an adequate level requires much more than just pace. Defense, defensive positioning, catching bombs, putting your body on the line, support play, attacking the ball, organising the defensive line. Moltzen does none of these things.

 

[cktiger]

The sooner people realise that Moltzen is seen as the future fullback, the better we will be. We are supposed to support and stick by the team, not criticise every fault till we become parra supporters.

So because I don't think Moltzen is a fullback (which he isn't), I'm not a supporter? Please.

People are bagging Moltzen because his defense is terrible. Everyone goes on and on about speed but playing fullback at an adequate level requires much more than just pace. Defense, defensive positioning, catching bombs, putting your body on the line, support play, attacking the ball, organising the defensive line. Moltzen does none of these things.

Most of that criticsm is because he's being played out of position.
He should be playing halfback.
His defence generally is a lot better than some of the other guys in the team at present.

 

[that_guy]

The sooner people realise that Moltzen is seen as the future fullback, the better we will be. We are supposed to support and stick by the team, not criticise every fault till we become parra supporters.

So because I don't think Moltzen is a fullback (which he isn't), I'm not a supporter? Please.

People are bagging Moltzen because his defense is terrible. Everyone goes on and on about speed but playing fullback at an adequate level requires much more than just pace. Defense, defensive positioning, catching bombs, putting your body on the line, support play, attacking the ball, organising the defensive line. Moltzen does none of these things.

Sorry dude, I apologize for having some hope and positivity about our team and future options. Looking at your "requirements" for fullback, it seems that if you want all those things, you want slater or Boyd. I'm assuming because you are anti-motzen, you must be hoping Brown takes FB (because wade is leaving). When you compare the two from your list:

**Speed:** Moltz = great speed, Brown = lacking for an outside back
**Defence:** Moltz = not great (but can improve), Brown = makes poor choices (as seen vs dragons, and hasnt shown any real great defence)
**Positioning:** Moltz = needs to work on it, Brown = In his games at f/b hasn't been superb (we were just winning so he looked good)
**Catching bombs:** This is the one area where Brown shines over Moltzen, but I do think you can work on catching (whereas it is difficult to work on the entire attack of a player, you can't teach speed)
**Organising defence** This has got as much to do with our actual defence line, as with the fullback. McKinnon didn't get blamed when we had horrible defence and he was FB. And also, you would have to be on the field to completely understand how Brown/Moltz is organising and whether mistakes are their fault or not.
**Support play/attacking the ball:** Moltzen = looking at the past has proven an excellent support player when Benji has made breaks, and a promising attacking prospect. Brown = Doesn't support on breaks, and for somebody his size, does not attack with the speed and aggression that he should.

 

[tiger05]

The sooner people realise that Moltzen is seen as the future fullback, the better we will be. We are supposed to support and stick by the team, not criticise every fault till we become parra supporters.

So because I don't think Moltzen is a fullback (which he isn't), I'm not a supporter? Please.

People are bagging Moltzen because his defense is terrible. Everyone goes on and on about speed but playing fullback at an adequate level requires much more than just pace. Defense, defensive positioning, catching bombs, putting your body on the line, support play, attacking the ball, organising the defensive line. Moltzen does none of these things.

Sorry dude, I apologize for having some hope and positivity about our team and future options. Looking at your "requirements" for fullback, it seems that if you want all those things, you want slater or Boyd. I'm assuming because you are anti-motzen, you must be hoping Brown takes FB (because wade is leaving). When you compare the two from your list:

**Speed:** Moltz = great speed, Brown = lacking for an outside back
**Defence:** Moltz = not great (but can improve), Brown = makes poor choices (as seen vs dragons, and hasnt shown any real great defence)
**Positioning:** Moltz = needs to work on it, Brown = In his games at f/b hasn't been superb (we were just winning so he looked good)
**Catching bombs:** This is the one area where Brown shines over Moltzen, but I do think you can work on catching (whereas it is difficult to work on the entire attack of a player, you can't teach speed)
**Organising defence** This has got as much to do with our actual defence line, as with the fullback. McKinnon didn't get blamed when we had horrible defence and he was FB. And also, you would have to be on the field to completely understand how Brown/Moltz is organising and whether mistakes are their fault or not.
**Support play/attacking the ball:** Moltzen = looking at the past has proven an excellent support player when Benji has made breaks, and a promising attacking prospect. Brown = Doesn't support on breaks, and for somebody his size, does not attack with the speed and aggression that he should.

It is good to finally see some sense on this forum.

Moltz = good times.

 

[Snowy]

The sooner people realise that Moltzen is seen as the future fullback, the better we will be. We are supposed to support and stick by the team, not criticise every fault till we become parra supporters.

So because I don't think Moltzen is a fullback (which he isn't), I'm not a supporter? Please.

People are bagging Moltzen because his defense is terrible. Everyone goes on and on about speed but playing fullback at an adequate level requires much more than just pace. Defense, defensive positioning, catching bombs, putting your body on the line, support play, attacking the ball, organising the defensive line. Moltzen does none of these things.

Completely agree Hybrid, moltz may have talent yes but until he starts attacking the football and running hard he will continue to loose confidence and fail! He needs to spend a lot of time in State Cup!

 

[that_guy]

The sooner people realise that Moltzen is seen as the future fullback, the better we will be. We are supposed to support and stick by the team, not criticise every fault till we become parra supporters.

So because I don't think Moltzen is a fullback (which he isn't), I'm not a supporter? Please.

People are bagging Moltzen because his defense is terrible. Everyone goes on and on about speed but playing fullback at an adequate level requires much more than just pace. Defense, defensive positioning, catching bombs, putting your body on the line, support play, attacking the ball, organising the defensive line. Moltzen does none of these things.

Completely agree Hybrid, moltz may have talent yes but until he starts attacking the football and running hard he will continue to loose confidence and fail! He needs to spend a lot of time in State Cup!

State cup won't do anything for Moltzen. He needs as much time as possible in 1st grade to be ready for when Wade leaves. The last thing we need is Wade to drop out of a finals match, and we have nobody ready to fill in because we dont have a backup. If Moltz gets as much game time as possible at fullback, we will have an excellent attacking fullback this time next year.

 

[supercoach]

If we are paying Moltzen 300g a year or in that region he must be in the team. Thats of course if he dosnt get snapped up by another outfit. Fullback may not be his best position, but its the position that best suits the team for balance. His effort yesterday was a little better and maybe with lots of work and some confidence he will develope into a very good no1\. For the rest of the season Sheens has to get him back their where every possible and see what happens. Maybe rotate him and Mckinnon. Than at the end of the season make a call for 2012 based on what Moltzen dose for the remainder of this year