The repeating pattern...

[ElleryHanley]

I must say 4 years at $500k seems like a steal, you would think Tigers could at least match that. There must be more to it.

Yes, for the money involved and given we have tons of cap room for 2022...he looked like exactly the type of player we actually could land.

I am honestly shocked he chose Cronulla. You would have to think he will be released, as there is no way you can captain St George after signing for the Sharks. They hate each other.

Yeah, almost seems like he went to the sharpies out of spite. This is a strange one, also I think that $500k is a slothfield number so who knows what the final figure actually is.
If true that he will play 13, and is only getting $500k a year, I think we stuffed up. Although, I can't really see him continuing to make 50 tackles a game for 4 years without missing some game time, his body has held up well for now, but injuries are probably just around the corner.

I am just guessing...but I think Paul McGregor maybe will end up in some sort of role at Cronulla. Otherwise it makes no sense.

Saints captains simply do not sign for Cronulla...that is breaking every unwritten rule that has ever existed in footy.

Leaving them to join us would have made a lot more sense.

 

[momo_amp_medo]

suitor…

THIS really does not deserve a response but all the same ....
In your mind maybe but in reality He was never a target.
We have more pressing spine recruitment requirements.
We will get what we want when we want it.
Usual whinge from you about our recruitment.

 

[ElleryHanley]

It may have been us who decided not to pursue.

Yah hope it was us coming to our senses.

Would have been a terrible, unnecessary signing. Stoked we 'missed' out.

Moh...you don't think we need:
A 13?
A player who can make 50 plus tackles a game / extremely high ratio of made tackles?
Fearless?
Warrior mentality?
Mobile enough to cover the field and balance our bigger, less mobile, pack?

That is **exactly** what we need.

I feel the days of giant locks are gone with the speed of the game now. Cam Murray, Jai Arrow, Jake Turbo are all mobile, athletic locks with a bit of ball play and can tackle the house down. McInnis is 100% in this mould and would have been perfect. That's not even factoring his competitive nature and hard work ethic.

For 3 yrs maybe,but 4 no way for a 27yr old small lock who has done a lot of hard yards.Yes he's a good footballer,but so were Packer,JR,and mbye,we bought them on the downslide and thats why we ruined our roster.I think we can do better.

Packer and Josh were both broken down...both had well known ongoing injuries "before" signing for us for 4 years.

McInees is definitely not the same.

 

[sleeve]

It may have been us who decided not to pursue.

Yah hope it was us coming to our senses.

Would have been a terrible, unnecessary signing. Stoked we 'missed' out.

Moh...you don't think we need:
A 13?
A player who can make 50 plus tackles a game / extremely high ratio of made tackles?
Fearless?
Warrior mentality?
Mobile enough to cover the field and balance our bigger, less mobile, pack?

That is **exactly** what we need.

I feel the days of giant locks are gone with the speed of the game now. Cam Murray, Jai Arrow, Jake Turbo are all mobile, athletic locks with a bit of ball play and can tackle the house down. McInnis is 100% in this mould and would have been perfect. That's not even factoring his competitive nature and hard work ethic.

For 3 yrs maybe,but 4 no way for a 27yr old small lock who has done a lot of hard yards.Yes he's a good footballer,but so were Packer,JR,and mbye,we bought them on the downslide and thats why we ruined our roster.I think we can do better.

Packer and Josh were both broken down...both had well known ongoing injuries "before" signing for us for 4 years.

McInees is definitely not the same.

Just like the Cheese with massive head knocks is a risky buy,so is Mcinnes with a small frame and a lot of miles on the clock.He's a good footballer,not a great footballer.People on here talk about our plodders,they were the result of desperation,"LET.S BUY EVERY PLAYER THAT LOOKS GOOD. The club is smarter now.

 

[Moh]

It may have been us who decided not to pursue.

Yah hope it was us coming to our senses.

Would have been a terrible, unnecessary signing. Stoked we 'missed' out.

Moh...you don't think we need:
A 13?
A player who can make 50 plus tackles a game / extremely high ratio of made tackles?
Fearless?
Warrior mentality?
Mobile enough to cover the field and balance our bigger, less mobile, pack?

That is **exactly** what we need.

We need some of those things, but also need someone with a bit of skill there.

We had a tackling machine in ET.

We can do better than McInnes. Happy to give our current candidates a chance for a couple of months before reassessing.

 

[ElleryHanley]

It may have been us who decided not to pursue.

Yah hope it was us coming to our senses.

Would have been a terrible, unnecessary signing. Stoked we 'missed' out.

Moh...you don't think we need:
A 13?
A player who can make 50 plus tackles a game / extremely high ratio of made tackles?
Fearless?
Warrior mentality?
Mobile enough to cover the field and balance our bigger, less mobile, pack?

That is **exactly** what we need.

I feel the days of giant locks are gone with the speed of the game now. Cam Murray, Jai Arrow, Jake Turbo are all mobile, athletic locks with a bit of ball play and can tackle the house down. McInnis is 100% in this mould and would have been perfect. That's not even factoring his competitive nature and hard work ethic.

For 3 yrs maybe,but 4 no way for a 27yr old small lock who has done a lot of hard yards.Yes he's a good footballer,but so were Packer,JR,and mbye,we bought them on the downslide and thats why we ruined our roster.I think we can do better.

Packer and Josh were both broken down...both had well known ongoing injuries "before" signing for us for 4 years.

McInees is definitely not the same.

Just like the Cheese with massive head knocks is a risky buy,so is Mcinnes with a small frame and a lot of miles on the clock.He's a good footballer,not a great footballer.People on here talk about our plodders,they were the result of desperation,"LET.S BUY EVERY PLAYER THAT LOOKS GOOD. The club is smarter now.

Fair point...but can you (realistically) name a better player we can sign than McIness and Brandon Smith for that 13 / 9 role?

Look at the off contract list for 2022 and name one who may join us?

 

[boonboon]

Also you have to look at it from Cam McInnes point of view. 1. He is leaving a club not making finals to one that has made regular finals footy whereas we havent for 10 years. 2. He doesent have to move house and his fanily doesent. Lots of players move between the 2 clubs because its less travel and lifestyle change then moving to Western Sydney. He lives in the gong so if you dont want to move or the wife and kids dont want to move then its Dragons or Sharks. Also 500k a year goes a lot further in the gong then sydney
3. He might see his future best suited at lock whereas we were after a hooker and 4. They offeres him 4 years

 

[ElleryHanley]

It may have been us who decided not to pursue.

Yah hope it was us coming to our senses.

Would have been a terrible, unnecessary signing. Stoked we 'missed' out.

Moh...you don't think we need:
A 13?
A player who can make 50 plus tackles a game / extremely high ratio of made tackles?
Fearless?
Warrior mentality?
Mobile enough to cover the field and balance our bigger, less mobile, pack?

That is **exactly** what we need.

We need some of those things, but also need someone with a bit of skill there.

We had a tackling machine in ET.

We can do better than McInnes. Happy to give our current candidates a chance for a couple of months before reassessing.

Fair points...but I would argue McIness is several classes better than ET ever was.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

It may have been us who decided not to pursue.

Yah hope it was us coming to our senses.

Would have been a terrible, unnecessary signing. Stoked we 'missed' out.

Moh...you don't think we need:
A 13?
A player who can make 50 plus tackles a game / extremely high ratio of made tackles?
Fearless?
Warrior mentality?
Mobile enough to cover the field and balance our bigger, less mobile, pack?

That is **exactly** what we need.

I feel the days of giant locks are gone with the speed of the game now. Cam Murray, Jai Arrow, Jake Turbo are all mobile, athletic locks with a bit of ball play and can tackle the house down. McInnis is 100% in this mould and would have been perfect. That's not even factoring his competitive nature and hard work ethic.

For 3 yrs maybe,but 4 no way for a 27yr old small lock who has done a lot of hard yards.Yes he's a good footballer,but so were Packer,JR,and mbye,we bought them on the downslide and thats why we ruined our roster.I think we can do better.

Packer and Josh were both broken down...both had well known ongoing injuries "before" signing for us for 4 years.

McInees is definitely not the same.

Just like the Cheese with massive head knocks is a risky buy,so is Mcinnes with a small frame and a lot of miles on the clock.He's a good footballer,not a great footballer.People on here talk about our plodders,they were the result of desperation,"LET.S BUY EVERY PLAYER THAT LOOKS GOOD. The club is smarter now.

Fair point...but can you (realistically) name a better player we can sign than McIness and Brandon Smith for that 13 / 9 role?

Look at the off contract list for 2022 and name one who may join us?

Doesn’t Smith want to go to Queensland ? I reckon a whole bunch of dudes are holding off until June , because it’s f that second team gets off the ground , especially if it’s the Redcliffe Dolphins bid , and guys can live in Noosa ,that’s going to be a game changer .

 

[TrueTiger]

Im not going to go into the nitty gritty about who we need in what position and how much for,we all nearly agree that Hartigan and Madge are two of the most needed people for our club at this point in time...We are resting our hopes on this squad that they have assembled,especially with the experienced players recruited this year...I know we all have a vastly different opinion from each other at times and preferences...
What we need to focus on coming into this season is we have a positive,stable culture forming and it will now be up to the performance of the team if it improves on previous years or is another season wasted on 'may have been'if only....
I have faith that Madge and Hartigan only want to improve the club and team allround.lets give them the chance to prove to us that their efforts were made to get us into finals contention and a team solid for future finals ...

 

[Deleted member 3518]

It may have been us who decided not to pursue.

Yah hope it was us coming to our senses.

Would have been a terrible, unnecessary signing. Stoked we 'missed' out.

Moh...you don't think we need:
A 13?
A player who can make 50 plus tackles a game / extremely high ratio of made tackles?
Fearless?
Warrior mentality?
Mobile enough to cover the field and balance our bigger, less mobile, pack?

That is **exactly** what we need.

I feel the days of giant locks are gone with the speed of the game now. Cam Murray, Jai Arrow, Jake Turbo are all mobile, athletic locks with a bit of ball play and can tackle the house down. McInnis is 100% in this mould and would have been perfect. That's not even factoring his competitive nature and hard work ethic.

For 3 yrs maybe,but 4 no way for a 27yr old small lock who has done a lot of hard yards.Yes he's a good footballer,but so were Packer,JR,and mbye,we bought them on the downslide and thats why we ruined our roster.I think we can do better.

Packer and Josh were both broken down...both had well known ongoing injuries "before" signing for us for 4 years.

McInees is definitely not the same.

Just like the Cheese with massive head knocks is a risky buy,so is Mcinnes with a small frame and a lot of miles on the clock.He's a good footballer,not a great footballer.People on here talk about our plodders,they were the result of desperation,"LET.S BUY EVERY PLAYER THAT LOOKS GOOD. The club is smarter now.

Fair point...but can you (realistically) name a better player we can sign than McIness and Brandon Smith for that 13 / 9 role?

Look at the off contract list for 2022 and name one who may join us?

Doesn’t Smith want to go to Queensland ? I reckon a whole bunch of dudes are holding off until June , because it’s f that second team gets off the ground , especially if it’s the Redcliffe Dolphins bid , and guys can live in Noosa ,that’s going to be a game changer .

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Woke up this morning and saw "Dragon's skipper signs four year deal with new club" and, I must admit, I punched the air a bit with joy...presumed it was us...sat down, made a coffee to enjoy with the 'good news'...

And then realised he has joined, of all teams, Cronulla...

To compound it...to play 13 for them.

There is a fairly established pattern of rep / elite level players "meeting with Madge" a month or two prior, "sitting on" an offer from us...being heavily linked with us as the only suitor...

And then signing elsewhere the moment another team comes in for them...

It deserves discussion. We have been able to land some good youngsters, and been able to land several misfits / last chance type players...

**But we have not been able to land that 24-28 yo in their prime elite level player / NSW Origin level player basically ever since we were formed.**

This one stings a bit as he would have been perfect at 13 for us / has all the traits we need / has a relationship prior with Madge...and, worst of all, Cronulla are a mess with most of their best players about to file for pensions. Yet he still chose them over us.

Why exactly deserves discussion...
LM
JAC
McIness

He lives in Thirroul / Bulli man , from what I was told . It’s a crap drive through the guts of Sydney to get to Tigers training . It’s a 45 min slip up the Princes Highway to The Boulevarde , then a straight shot to shark park .
It’s a huge difference .

 

[Deleted member 3518]

I must say 4 years at $500k seems like a steal, you would think Tigers could at least match that. There must be more to it.

Yes, for the money involved and given we have tons of cap room for 2022...he looked like exactly the type of player we actually could land.

I am honestly shocked he chose Cronulla. You would have to think he will be released, as there is no way you can captain St George after signing for the Sharks. They hate each other.

Yeah, almost seems like he went to the sharpies out of spite. This is a strange one, also I think that $500k is a slothfield number so who knows what the final figure actually is.
If true that he will play 13, and is only getting $500k a year, I think we stuffed up. Although, I can't really see him continuing to make 50 tackles a game for 4 years without missing some game time, his body has held up well for now, but injuries are probably just around the corner.

You can’t trust any figures out of Caringbah. Especially if Buzz reported it.
It’s like some of you think Mbye is on 850k cause buzz reported it. And Moylan is only on 700k cause buzz reported it . It’s more like 650k and 900k from what I’ve been told .

 

[weststigerman]

Do we have to have a thread every time a player we're linked to signs elsewhere?

Maybe we didn't want to sign him for 4 years

Maybe something changed with another target

Maybe he wanted more than we were willing to pay

Maybe he wanted to live in Cronulla

Do you want to go back to 2017 when we signed almost every off contract player for overs?

Have a bit of faith. This is not the english premier league and it's not all about making big signings as the two grand finalists last year proved.

 

[momo_amp_medo]

Yes Brendon Smith, Angus Crichton and Yeo for now. They all cover impact and ball playing requirements that we would be looking for.
But also you never know what emerges in next 12 months. We may be surprised and find a nice shiny marble in our stack.

 

[Tigerbuck63]

Also you have to look at it from Cam McInnes point of view. 1. He is leaving a club not making finals to one that has made regular finals footy whereas we havent for 10 years. 2. He doesent have to move house and his fanily doesent. Lots of players move between the 2 clubs because its less travel and lifestyle change then moving to Western Sydney. He lives in the gong so if you dont want to move or the wife and kids dont want to move then its Dragons or Sharks. Also 500k a year goes a lot further in the gong then sydney
3. He might see his future best suited at lock whereas we were after a hooker and 4. They offeres him 4 years

There very good points its about lifestyle as well.
Questions raised on this Topic should also be,
1. Was he ever offered a contract meeting with Madge does not mean that also rubber stamped by Hartigan/Pascoe.
2. Signed with a Club on the way down not on the way up might be harder to maintain a long term contract.
3. Do we need another leader at the club when signed Tamou for 2 Years.

Now don't get me wrong it sounds like he would have fitted in with what we required as a lock but you can't blame the coach for not getting someone signed that may have never been offered a contract in the 1st place.

As for Mitchell, JAC i am glad both did not sign with us quality players but we would have paid over the odds, something we are not willing to do as learned our lessons with Reynolds, Packer, Mybe.

 

[earl]

Woke up this morning and saw "Dragon's skipper signs four year deal with new club" and, I must admit, I punched the air a bit with joy...presumed it was us...sat down, made a coffee to enjoy with the 'good news'...

And then realised he has joined, of all teams, Cronulla...

To compound it...to play 13 for them.

There is a fairly established pattern of rep / elite level players "meeting with Madge" a month or two prior, "sitting on" an offer from us...being heavily linked with us as the only suitor...

And then signing elsewhere the moment another team comes in for them...

It deserves discussion. We have been able to land some good youngsters, and been able to land several misfits / last chance type players...

**But we have not been able to land that 24-28 yo in their prime elite level player / NSW Origin level player basically ever since we were formed.**

This one stings a bit as he would have been perfect at 13 for us / has all the traits we need / has a relationship prior with Madge...and, worst of all, Cronulla are a mess with most of their best players about to file for pensions. Yet he still chose them over us.

Why exactly deserves discussion...
LM
JAC
McIness

He lives in Thirroul / Bulli man , from what I was told . It’s a crap drive through the guts of Sydney to get to Tigers training . It’s a 45 min slip up the Princes Highway to The Boulevarde , then a straight shot to shark park .
It’s a huge difference .

This might be the reason.

I agree with this thread in that I reckon we need a 9/13 plus we only need top tier talent right now. I think McInnis and B Smith fit the bill.

The thing is I like the way the club is building now. We don't seem to be paying overs which to me makes a massive difference over the next 3-5 years. We also to me now have a team with less weaknesses than what we've had in the past. I basically trust the club to make the right decisions.

I'm pretty cool with the way things are heading so missing out on this signing is not that bad. Personally I think Latrell is our biggest missed signing. I know he can be all over the place but at his best he would be one if not the most dangerous player in the game. Fullback is also at this point our weakest position.

 

[Tiger5150]

But we have not been able to land that 24-28 yo in their prime elite level player / NSW Origin level player basically ever since we were formed.

We just signed TWO 24-28 year old origin players, and a grand final captain.

NSW level...with all respect, QLD players often get there based on very little. Joe O is not considered an 'Origin level' player / was unwanted by his club.

JTJ was just cut by his club...

Both will be good signings IMO...but they are not "current / elite level rep players".

McInnes isnt NSW or Qld Level. Wouldnt get picked over Grant in Qld and Cook will get the nod before him in NSW. Good player but he is as much a "current / elite level rep player" as Joe O or JTJ.

 

[AdelaideTiger]

I must say 4 years at $500k seems like a steal, you would think Tigers could at least match that. There must be more to it.

Yes, for the money involved and given we have tons of cap room for 2022...he looked like exactly the type of player we actually could land.

I am honestly shocked he chose Cronulla. You would have to think he will be released, as there is no way you can captain St George after signing for the Sharks. They hate each other.

Yeah, almost seems like he went to the sharpies out of spite. This is a strange one, also I think that $500k is a slothfield number so who knows what the final figure actually is.
If true that he will play 13, and is only getting $500k a year, I think we stuffed up. Although, I can't really see him continuing to make 50 tackles a game for 4 years without missing some game time, his body has held up well for now, but injuries are probably just around the corner.

You can’t trust any figures out of Caringbah. Especially if Buzz reported it.
It’s like some of you think Mbye is on 850k cause buzz reported it. And Moylan is only on 700k cause buzz reported it . It’s more like 650k and 900k from what I’ve been told .

Yeah, I have already seen another report that the McInnes deal is $600k for 4 years. Who know what it is, but likely isn't $500k.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

But we have not been able to land that 24-28 yo in their prime elite level player / NSW Origin level player basically ever since we were formed.

We just signed TWO 24-28 year old origin players, and a grand final captain.

NSW level...with all respect, QLD players often get there based on very little. Joe O is not considered an 'Origin level' player / was unwanted by his club.

JTJ was just cut by his club...

Both will be good signings IMO...but they are not "current / elite level rep players".


McInnes isnt NSW or Qld Level. Wouldnt get picked over Grant in Qld and Cook will get the nod before him in NSW. Good player but he is as much a "current / elite level rep player" as Joe O or JTJ.

Are we forgetting the jet wore the blue jersey ? Not the maroon ? You get an origin jersey you can’t call it token . Just because someone seems that side weak , doesn’t mean it actually is . Last year is a case in point . Qld won the series with thier B team. What does that say . Probably not much , outside of at any point anyone can be the best or worst in thier position , a lot of the value we place on some players , is purely reputation and bums on seats. In last years nsw team there’s not one player who played , who will go down as a top 20 all timer . But we make out like they’re all the greatest ever . It’s a bit weird how recency bias can change the way you think.