The Sheens/Marshall Mutual Admiration Society

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Saturday night showed to me that we need to break up the "Sheens/Marshall Mutual Admiration Society".

If ever there was a need to hook a player, it was Benji on Saturday night. Not for the whole game, just for ten minutes or so to give him the message to pull his head in. Benji made two school-boy errors in 5 minutes that led to Storm tries… The intercept and then failing to find touch with a penalty.

How Sheens continues to put up with such basic, basic errors is mind-boggling. Until...

We read that Benji doesn't wanna be coached by anyone but Sheens. The support these two show each other is bordering on blind faith. And I think it's negatively affecting the team.
 
Yeah I thought he should have got hooked for that as well. Realistically 3 out of 4 games this year he should have been hooked as well.
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These mistakes would be fine if Benji was an 18-year-old wonder kid from the NYC but when he's a first-grader with 150+ games under his belt it's just unforgiveable.
 
Sheens should drop Marshall if he doesn't pick his act up next year…not just Marshall either

Anasta coming in next year...i have a feeling he will be a blessing for Marshall
 
To be fair he's probably trying too hard and not finding success. Too much weight on his shoulders without Farah. Only way we would have beaten Melbourne is for Benji to be on his game which he wasn't and for the rest of the team to be solid.
If he sticks to the stuff that works in games without Farah he'll be fine.
I didn't get any indication he wanted to stay with Sheens in particular he just said if they are going to chop him there needs to be someone better (at least from the interview post Roosters).
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@tiger4ever said:
Sheens should drop Marshall if he doesn't pick his act up next year…not just Marshall either

Anasta coming in next year...i have a feeling he will be a blessing for Marshall
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It will only be a blessing if Anasta has the "boss" call

Benji can't run the show He continually proves to me he is NOT a 7

Watto ,your the half among us ,call it the way you see it
 
Benji can't be everything to all people ..the coach has created this problem years ago.Could you imagine what Benji could do if he only had to worry about his own game rather than having to give every money ball and kick every goal and basically win every game by himself.. Of course when someone has this much pressure they stuff up at times.I will not bag Benji until the same things are happening when a fist rate 1/2
Is partnering him…Benji is just another Sheens scapegoat.
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@Snake said:
Benji can't be everything to all people ..the coach has created this problem years ago.Could you imagine what Benji could do if he only had to worry about his own game rather than having to give every money ball and kick every goal and basically win every game by himself.. Of course when someone has this much pressure they stuff up at times.I will not bag Benji until the same things are happening when a fist rate 1/2
Is partnering him…Benji is just another Sheens scapegoat.
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Hard to disagree. Marshall's 2 best years where when Lui was here in 10 and 11\. The fact that in the 9 seasons Marshall has played NRL, he hasnt had a 7 for four of those years. And I am being fair to Sheens in calling Morris a 7, when we bought him he was a 6 at Parra, Tim Smith was their half.
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The droppings and hookings are things that should have happened in 2007 or thereabouts if they were going to happen.

It is too late now as the behaviour pattern is locked in while ever this coach/player combination exists.

Who could forget 2007 when all we had to do was hold a lead and make the finals. Benji couldn't tackle to save his life that back end of the second half, we had interchanges up the sleeve and a fresh man on the bench. Left Benji out there and Vuna kept going to the well and carving up.

If Sheens couldn't hook him in the best interest of the team that night (not like we had to score any more points) he will never do it and that is a sad indictment
 
@smeghead said:
The droppings and hookings are things that should have happened in 2007 or thereabouts if they were going to happen.

It is too late now as the behaviour pattern is locked in while ever this coach/player combination exists.

Who could forget 2007 when all we had to do was hold a lead and make the finals. Benji couldn't tackle to save his life that back end of the second half, we had interchanges up the sleeve and a fresh man on the bench. Left Benji out there and Vuna kept going to the well and carving up.

If Sheens couldn't hook him in the best interest of the team that night (not like we had to score any more points) he will never do it and that is a sad indictment
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Ben Jeffrey rode to Melbourne and back on the sideline bike waiting to get on that night.
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Benji was shocking but it was through trying too hard. He knew he was the only way we could score points with no farah and no other half
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Folks, this isn't an anti-Benji thread… I love the bloke.

My concern is that Sheens has lost (or never had) the ability to analyse his performance and make the best call for the team.
 
Trying too hard is a bullshit excuse.

What he's doing is trying to learn how to be a halfback when he is incapable of doing it, and just not suited to such a role, especially when the whole offensive structure is loosely based around giving the ball to Benji with room to move.

The whole Benji at halfback role doesn't work because its an utter contradiction.
 
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Trying too hard is a s*** excuse.

What he's doing is trying to learn how to be a halfback when he is incapable of doing it, and just not suited to such a role, especially when the whole offensive structure is loosely based around giving the ball to Benji with room to move.

The whole Benji at halfback role doesn't work because its an utter contradiction.
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haha it doesn't work coz benji cant pass it to himself, he cant be halfback and 5/8.
 
if we hook benji who else is gonna set up tries ???? theres not much else in the team otherwise when benji plays bad we would win a lot more
 
Benji plays well when he's given room to move and create - look at the belting of Canberra this year for evidence.

If the defence is on top of him, he panics too much.

Not the attribute you need from a halfback.

Thats the exact same reason why Wally Lewis never played at 7 and why Fittler, Lockyer, Daley avoided it like the plague. Playing at Lock or five-eighth meant they were second receiver which suited their game and style perfectly and as such, meant you could structure offensive plays etc around them.

Benji is in the same group, he can't play at 7, when he does he gets frustrated and makes mistakes, bad decisions etc.
 
@Team Tiger said:
Folks, this isn't an anti-Benji thread… I love the bloke.

My concern is that Sheens has lost (or never had) the ability to analyse his performance and make the best call for the team.
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Yep.
Both are blinded, too blinded to see things are as bad as they are
They cover each others arse
 
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