There really is a God

[Cultured_Bogan]

I'm an atheist and while I lambast those who openly preach from the rooftops and don't allow those to come to their own conclusions (I was raised in the Catholic church an decided it wasn't my thing,) I have learned that religion does bring as much good out in people as it does bad in others.

If having a deity in your life enriches it further, and as long as you don't infringe on the rights of others (pushing religious doctrine into secular law e.g. resistance for gay marriage,) then go for it. Atheists on the whole are becoming much like religious zealots in the way that they push their agenda and it's something I wished would never happen (I will admit I used to be one of those.)

 

[Tigersman]

For god sakes….Can we not all just believe in what ever the F we want... I believe in god I'm not telling you to believe in him I'm just saying I do. There's a Bloke who lives around the corner to me (he believes in aliens) I don't go up to him and say where's the evidence to support your claim. I respect his faith and try not to talk about our faiths for fear of argument....like now.

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[TIGER]

I agree with you bogan, believe in whatever god you like, but don't try to tell me it created anything or make claims about the truth of it existing if you start doing that and I'll demand evidence to support your claim, if you can't provide any other than 'i just have faith' then shut up about talking about it. I don't have a problem with beliefs if they don't impact on others but unfortunately our beliefs influence our actions, eg if i truly believe i can fly (despite the fact no human has ever been able to) if i have total faith that i can fly i will probably try to jump off a tall building. Its faith that have a problem with. Faith isn't a pathway to truth, im all about determining what is true.

 

[Geo]

It's typical of this forum that the true intent of a post is turned on its head by others with their own agendas.

And once again, true to the forum, we tend to disagree on everything.

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:laughing: so true…

Maybe a better thread title in future...something like...Ir's MY Fault

 

[TIGER]

For god sakes….Can we not all just believe in what ever the F we want... I believe in god I'm not telling you to believe in him I'm just saying I do. There's a Bloke who lives around the corner to me (he believes in aliens) I don't go up to him and say where's the evidence to support your claim. I respect his faith and try not to talk about our faiths for fear of argument....like now.

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Theres a big difference, aliens don't have a book that claims they created everything and aliens aren't saying in their book worship us and believe we died to save you or else you will be tormented for eternity in hell. If you believe i deserve to be totrured forever in hell because i don't believe in your version of god due ti a lack of convincing evidence, then 1\. i have a problem with you and 2\. Provide evidence as to why you believe this, and i might be concerned, until then ill treat your god as i treat unicorns, fairies, and dragons.

 

[Russta]

Of course god exists….....Odin the Allfarther watches over us all. Jesus promised to rid the earth of sin. Odin promised to rid the earth of Ice Giants... you don't see any Ice Giants around now do you. And although Odin is the Big Boss, I like to pray to Tyr ( the norse god of Battle) for the Tigers to win. I just don't think he understands english. :laughing:

 

[Tigersman]

For god sakes….Can we not all just believe in what ever the F we want... I believe in god I'm not telling you to believe in him I'm just saying I do. There's a Bloke who lives around the corner to me (he believes in aliens) I don't go up to him and say where's the evidence to support your claim. I respect his faith and try not to talk about our faiths for fear of argument....like now.

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Theres a big difference, aliens don't have a book that claims they created everything and aliens aren't saying in their book worship us and believe we died to save you or else you will be tormented for eternity in hell. If you believe i deserve to be totrured forever in hell because i don't believe in your version of god due ti a lack of convincing evidence, then 1\. i have a problem with you and 2\. Provide evidence as to why you believe this, and i might be concerned, until then ill treat your god as i treat unicorns, fairies, and dragons.

Can you not just respect my faith with out questioning it?

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[TIGER]

Of course god exists….....Odin the Allfarther watches over us all. Jesus promised to rid the earth of sin. Odin promised to rid the earth of Ice Giants... you don't see any Ice Giants around now do you. And although Odin is the Big Boss, I like to pray to Tyr ( the norse god of Battle) for the Tigers to win. I just don't think he understands english. :laughing:

Hahaa, i like your style, sarcastic ridicule might be the only way.

 

[TIGER]

For god sakes….Can we not all just believe in what ever the F we want... I believe in god I'm not telling you to believe in him I'm just saying I do. There's a Bloke who lives around the corner to me (he believes in aliens) I don't go up to him and say where's the evidence to support your claim. I respect his faith and try not to talk about our faiths for fear of argument....like now.

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Theres a big difference, aliens don't have a book that claims they created everything and aliens aren't saying in their book worship us and believe we died to save you or else you will be tormented for eternity in hell. If you believe i deserve to be totrured forever in hell because i don't believe in your version of god due ti a lack of convincing evidence, then 1\. i have a problem with you and 2\. Provide evidence as to why you believe this, and i might be concerned, until then ill treat your god as i treat unicorns, fairies, and dragons.

Can you not just respect my faith with out questioning it?

No, why should anyone respect anyone for believing in things which there's no evidence for. If i said i had faith in and believed i had a 50m purple dragon that lives in my garage that grants me wises and if you don't believe in it it will punish you for eternity, would your respect it?
People deserve respect, ideas don't. That's the problem with religion, islam in particular but Christianity also, it has gained way too much unearned respect, mostly due to threats of causing harm to others if you don't adhere to their backwards ideas.

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[Russell]

You people are hopeless

If you won't believe in JT

How would you be able to believe in God.

 

[Tigermama]

I'm an atheist and while I lambast those who openly preach from the rooftops and don't allow those to come to their own conclusions (I was raised in the Catholic church an decided it wasn't my thing,) I have learned that religion does bring as much good out in people as it does bad in others.

If having a deity in your life enriches it further, and as long as you don't infringe on the rights of others (pushing religious doctrine into secular law e.g. resistance for gay marriage,) then go for it. Atheists on the whole are becoming much like religious zealots in the way that they push their agenda and it's something I wished would never happen (I will admit I used to be one of those.)

Agree. Each to their own.

 

[foreveratiger]

I knew this would turn out like this .

In respect to Cqtiger he never started this Thread to say there is a God or not…...he was referring to how terrible we have been going all these years that he believed there is a God that will stand by his 😛ray: he did in "05".

All i will like to say is :

 

[Newtown]

Faith is for some very difficult to understand but as this is a football forum I would like to contribute the following analogy;

Even when Chris Lawrence was playing so badly at centre most on this forum had hope and especially faith that he would come good. Last Friday he suddenly scores two tries whilst playing second row and his supporters' faith has been rewarded. Faith is not something you can see or touch but it is something you can sense.

 

[Tigerdave]

It's typical of this forum that the true intent of a post is turned on its head by others with their own agendas.

And once again, true to the forum, we tend to disagree on everything.

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this

and now this discussion really belongs in the general area

 

[Flippedy]

I have to admit that it is my fault that the Wests Tigers are in the poor position that they find themselves in. Not just this year either.

I am really sorry. I apologise to all WT supporters for my selfish behaviour.

In hindsight, I shouldn't have prayed to God the night of the 2005 grand final. In a moment of weakness and complete selfishness I asked God that night, that if my Wests Tigers won, then I wouldn't care if they never won a premiership ever again.

I just wanted to win THAT game, THAT premiership! All my son's in-laws are Cowboy supporters - it was pride and 'pride cometh before a fall'

Please? How do I redeemeth myself?

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So it's all your fault then, cq - your punishment should be banishment from the forum! Hear that Willow? :laughing:

In all reality, I'll bet you were one of thousands that prayed the same prayer that night, me included! :laughing:

 

[Mccarry]

People who say "I only believe in something that you can prove to me' also believe in something. They essentially believe that only what they understand through proof is worth believing in.

Wow that is a strong faith. You would want to be very well read, very intelligent and very wise.

For the rest of us there is faith. It's often based on what we feel, seasoned by what we experience and topped by our response to the things we learn. Very very little of it is fact. That's okay with me. I value free will. I choose to believe.

 

[LCA]

I just came back from church. Firstly, there is a god.

Secondly, he is a just God. It's not your pray that got our Tigers into this position, it's what we have done with the free will that God grants us all.

Bad decisions, bad results.

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I agree with bad decisions. bad results.

But a god (no capital intended)?

Utter rubbish.

And, nobody granted me any free will to think that.

It just is. Simple as that.

 

[Mccarry]

I'm an atheist and while I lambast those who openly preach from the rooftops and don't allow those to come to their own conclusions (I was raised in the Catholic church an decided it wasn't my thing,) I have learned that religion does bring as much good out in people as it does bad in others.

If having a deity in your life enriches it further, and as long as you don't infringe on the rights of others (pushing religious doctrine into secular law e.g. resistance for gay marriage,) then go for it. Atheists on the whole are becoming much like religious zealots in the way that they push their agenda and it's something I wished would never happen (I will admit I used to be one of those.)

Agree. Each to their own.

It's been a long time since I heard anyone preaching from the roof top. In fact it's been years since anyone knocked on my door to talk to me about faith. Infact it is a topic hardly talked about. Sounds like you must cop it all the time.

Personally I don't mind people talking to me about what they believe. It sure beats how's the weather, or how's work, or lately how's the Tiges going.

People who believe, who talk to me about it must really care about me. To risk their own reputation, to risk ridicule and all when there is nothing in it for them. Sounds pretty selfless to me. Yet, it makes people act like a burglar has knocked on their door.

Like I said earlier, it is amazing how much our society has changed.

Talk about Jesus = ridicule
Get a sex change = courageous

Hardest journey in life is the one where a person actually invests the time in figuring out what they believe.

For the antheists on here, cudos to you for putting the time into such a strong set of beliefs. It's better than being too burried under every day life to care enough to figure it out.

 

[Mccarry]

I just came back from church. Firstly, there is a god.

Secondly, he is a just God. It's not your pray that got our Tigers into this position, it's what we have done with the free will that God grants us all.

Bad decisions, bad results.

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I agree with bad decisions. bad results.

But a god (no capital intended)?

Utter rubbish.

And, nobody granted me any free will to think that.

It just is. Simple as that.

Hey LCA, any chance you could share why you believe that? Sorry, I'm genuinely interested in why you are so sure.

 

[Tony33]

Yes, there is

Where's the evidence?

Where is the evidence that a god doesn't exist?

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The onus is on the believer to prove existence not the non believer.

The countless people who have been pronounced dead only to come back to life with their stories about what they saw in the after life.

What about the stories of atheists and non-believers who have experienced a revelation of some sort and become believers.

What more evidence do you want ?