There really is a God

[Flippedy]

Not trying to stoke the 'faith/no faith' fire that is already raging on here, but I am genuinely interested in hearing what people actually believe about how we all actually got here in the first place. What do you believe about how we all similarly function, with all the intricacies of the human body, yet are so individually unique in our looks, talents, skills and personalities.

Also, what do you think about the formation of the earth? The incredible contrast between land and sky, the ocean that somehow miraculously stops along the shoreline, instead of just flooding the whole of the earth, the amazing patterns and unique colours of the flora, fish and fauna that inhabit the land, sky and ocean and the innate ability of all species to reproduce and survive.

What about the the sun, moon, stars and all the planets that just go about the same routine revolving around the solar system, day in day out - how did night and day, dark and light just come into existence?

Tough questions, I know. Despite what Happy thinks, I wasn't around when the earth formed and life began, so I'd be interested to hear people's theories on the subject. Let's face it, the Tigers season is looking shot and rugby league has become boring, so we may as well think about the more important stuff.

 

[TIGER]

Faith is for some very difficult to understand but as this is a football forum I would like to contribute the following analogy;

Even when Chris Lawrence was playing so badly at centre most on this forum had hope and especially faith that he would come good. Last Friday he suddenly scores two tries whilst playing second row and his supporters' faith has been rewarded. Faith is not something you can see or touch but it is something you can sense.

Faith is not hope, this is a common mistake that i find nearly every person who uses the word faith makes.
Educate yourself,
Hope is wanting something to come true but realising it may not. eg i 'hope' the Tigers win the grand final this year' Hope is admitting your uncertain
Whereas faith is a 'truth claim' it's saying 'i know' eg 'i know my god is real'
Im not hearing any theists say "i hope my god is real' theyre saying 'i know my god is real'. Capish?
Faith and hope are not synonymous. Capish?

 

[gallagher]

How did we get from Adam and eve to today's population? At some stage someone got busy with mum or sis!

 

[TIGER]

Something you sense? HUH!!!!!! Do you know what the 5 senses are? If so please tell me which sense did you use? You already eliminated sight and touch so here ill help you. Sound smell taste.

 

[TIGER]

How did we get from Adam and eve to today's population? At some stage someone got busy with mum or sis!

Yeah the mind boggles that in this day and age grown adults still believe in these fairy tales, with absolutely no evidence what so ever and despite the mountains of contrary evidence to suggest otherwise.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Wow the most sensitive topic in all of society popping up on our beloved forum. Once taking about homosexuals was taboo. Now it's the implications of Gods existence that is taboo.

There is merely clues suggesting God exists, there is no conclusive proof.

For me there are more clues suggesting God exists than clues that suggest that he doesn't exist.

It is an extraordinary act of faith to say he doesn't exist. Admirably it's still an act of faith to say he exists, there is just more things to use to build your faith based position on.

There are some fantastic books on the subject.

My two favourites:
The reason for God
The case for Christ

The fact that life will get in the way of most of you ever focusing on figuring out what you believe is proof in itself that God exists and also unfortunately that the negative does too. The highest risk / reward question in life yet the hardest to focus on answering

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I bet he's on a huge TPA, maybe even bigger than Souths and the Roosters, apart from that Does he want to play for us?????????
Actually he probably wouldn't.
Not while the Antichrist is Coach.

 

[foreveratiger]

Where's the evidence?

Where is the evidence that a god doesn't exist?

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The onus is on the believer to prove existence not the non believer.

The countless people who have been pronounced dead only to come back to life with their stories about what they saw in the after life.

What about the stories of atheists and non-believers who have experienced a revelation of some sort and become believers.

What more evidence do you want ?

The evidence your talking about is more in relation with Spiritual encounters that some may have experienced once they passed on , this is one experience i had at Work…....it's in the Ghost Stories Thread.
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A couple of years ago at work had a MVA patient which in medical terminology is (Motor Vehicle Accident) come in for Resus , the chap hit a tree on his Motor cycle , when he came in had a neck brace and deep gashes to his face , so i commence Resus on the Patient on the Doctor's call , i'm on his Chest for 35 minutes working on him and sweat pissing out of me, we lost him twice throughout the 35 minutes and i thought in my head this guy is gone, from my experience doing so many Resus (had a weak pulse), the Doctor called last round or he would be pronounced Dead if unsuccessful on the next Round , Adrenaline is inserted intravenously and here i am going for it with cramped up shoulders and sore back , 2 minutes into it mind you i felt one of his ribs crack while i was at it , the CNC screams " i have a pulse DOC" while she had her fingers feeling the Femoral Artery , we got him back with a good pulse and the patient survived the ordeal .
But this is where it get's freaky , 3 Days later i took a Patient to the Orthopedics Ward from E.D and take the Patient to a 4 Bedder Bay in there , while i was trying to get this Patient from E.d Comfortable in his new Ward and Pat sliding him to his new Bed i noticed a Patient there kept starring me out with this smile on his face ( i thought in my head Weirdo?) as i was about to leave from the handover to the nurse the Patient that kept starring me out sticks his hand out to Shake it , i said "how you going mate ? all Good "? then he says to me " i want to thank you for saving my life " , i said to him sorry but i don't know what your on about ? he said to me "i was the Patient in the Resus room that had the Motor Bike accident and you Resuscitated me" , it was coming to me now , the problem was that he had that much blood around his face i wouldn't remember him , Then i said hang on how do you know it was me ? he said " i saw myself in the Resus Room above youse all , working on me and remember your face with the sweaty shirt on your back working on me " , I said get out of here .... he said "no seriously i saw my mum on the other side who she has passed away many years ago and told me it wasn't my time to go back ". I'm telling you i had hairs jumping out of my arms and my back .
I never used to believe in after life but after this episode made me think different .
Talk about Freaky!!!

 

[TIGER]

Where's the evidence?

Where is the evidence that a god doesn't exist?

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The onus is on the believer to prove existence not the non believer.

The countless people who have been pronounced dead only to come back to life with their stories about what they saw in the after life.

What about the stories of atheists and non-believers who have experienced a revelation of some sort and become believers.

What more evidence do you want ?

Im sorry but if your dead your dead, obviously they weren't dead or they wouldn't be alive now right? I don't care if another human pronounces them dead, humans make mistakes. Anyway in your book of myths doesn't it say that only one man ever raised from the dead? Are you now claiming that the laymen can now survive death too? if so Jesus isn't so special after all.

Do you ever hear a Hindu having a near death experience and saying he saw the virgin mary or Jesus?
Why is it they only see figures of the gods they believe in? Christians never see allah. strange that.
Even if i grant these experiences, how do you conclude a god or more specifically your god exists? The most we could say is that its a phenomenon. You don't get to say 'well you can't explain this so therefore my god exists and did it'. besides, personal experience is not reliable evidence, there's people who claim that elvis is alive and that they were abducted by aliens, are we to take their claims at face value?

 

[Tim Sheens]

Not trying to stoke the 'faith/no faith' fire that is already raging on here, but I am genuinely interested in hearing what people actually believe about how we all actually got here in the first place. What do you believe about how we all similarly function, with all the intricacies of the human body, yet are so individually unique in our looks, talents, skills and personalities.

Also, what do you think about the formation of the earth? The incredible contrast between land and sky, the ocean that somehow miraculously stops along the shoreline, instead of just flooding the whole of the earth, the amazing patterns and unique colours of the flora, fish and fauna that inhabit the land, sky and ocean and the innate ability of all species to reproduce and survive.

What about the the sun, moon, stars and all the planets that just go about the same routine revolving around the solar system, day in day out - how did night and day, dark and light just come into existence?

Tough questions, I know. Despite what Happy thinks, I wasn't around when the earth formed and life began, so I'd be interested to hear people's theories on the subject. Let's face it, the Tigers season is looking shot and rugby league has become boring, so we may as well think about the more important stuff.

Gravity, the Elements and evolution.

As for WT, I am finding the year annoying. Bring back Wobbiegate and mass injuries, even getting flogged late last year was more enjoyable than the crap served up over the last month.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

It gets to be a pain when sportsmen and Women credit God when they win a game or tournament(it's more prevalent among Golfers)
I've always wanted to know how God decides which one to help win, and which ones to drop into the bunkers. Or to have a slow horse
No one has ever been able to tell me, and I have a son in law who's both a Christian and a pro golfer, ( just retired) and he's never been able to give me an answer either.
Does it mean that all the others in the events ( including Christians ) are actually really bad Buggers, or does it mean they don't pray hard enough
More questions than answers!!

 

[Knuckles]

It's interesting that one of the great mathematicians in Albert Einstein concluded the odds of the world coming from a Big Bang theory are just too astronomical. He concluded that a greater force was behind the creation of the world hence he believed in a god.
No one really knows for sure. I'd rather have some belief and live it the best I can just in a case it is right rather than refusing to believe anything in case I'm wrong ! I didn't realise until talking to a Muslim that they acknowledge the existence of Jesus and Mary. Whereas Christians believe Jesus is the son of God they believe Jesus is only a prophet … Bit like John The Baptist. Christians and Muslims aren't as far apart as all the hatred and bitterness would have you believe. Anyway, one day we'll all find out ! Maybe we can resurrect this thread on the big forum in the sky !

 

[Flippedy]

Not trying to stoke the 'faith/no faith' fire that is already raging on here, but I am genuinely interested in hearing what people actually believe about how we all actually got here in the first place. What do you believe about how we all similarly function, with all the intricacies of the human body, yet are so individually unique in our looks, talents, skills and personalities.

Also, what do you think about the formation of the earth? The incredible contrast between land and sky, the ocean that somehow miraculously stops along the shoreline, instead of just flooding the whole of the earth, the amazing patterns and unique colours of the flora, fish and fauna that inhabit the land, sky and ocean and the innate ability of all species to reproduce and survive.

What about the the sun, moon, stars and all the planets that just go about the same routine revolving around the solar system, day in day out - how did night and day, dark and light just come into existence?

Tough questions, I know. Despite what Happy thinks, I wasn't around when the earth formed and life began, so I'd be interested to hear people's theories on the subject. Let's face it, the Tigers season is looking shot and rugby league has become boring, so we may as well think about the more important stuff.

**Gravity, the Elements and evolution.**

As for WT, I am finding the year annoying. Bring back Wobbiegate and mass injuries, even getting flogged late last year was more enjoyable than the crap served up over the last month.

Interesting take, FG - that's a lot of faith in…er....nothing :laughing:

 

[TIGER]

It gets to be a pain when sportsmen and Women credit God when they win a game or tournament(it's more prevalent among Golfers)
I've always wanted to know how God decides which one to help win, and which ones to drop into the bunkers. Or to have a slow horse
No one has ever been able to tell me, and I have a son in law who's both a Christian and a pro golfer, ( just retired) and he's never been able to give me an answer either.
Does it mean that all the others in the events ( including Christians ) are actually really bad Buggers, or does it mean they don't pray hard enough
More questions than answers!!

Yeah i always think, there's children dying of starvation and praying to god to save them and they won't be and yet a prayer to hit a golfball straight gets gods attention.
Do these people realise how self centred they are in believing a god would help them win a game and yet ignore a dying child? Do they even consider this? yet all they have to say when asked these questions is, 'god works in mysterious ways' ' no one can understand god', he's beyond human understanding, at that point i ask 'Then why have you just spent the last 10mins telling me all about him?"

Yeah, god is mysterious alright, so mysterious that a world with him in it or without him in it is indistinguishable.

 

[gallagher]

What's the deal with Jesus being Jewish. Didn't he believe in himself?

 

[hobbo]

A couple I know who are born again Christians fell pregnant , they didn't choose a girls name for the baby as I was told they had a god moment together and were adamant it was going to be a boy !

They had a girl …..

Hobbo was $50 up on the wager :wink:

I'm with Formerguest ... Gravity , physics and evolution !
Or were all in the Matrix !

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[Flippedy]

A couple I know who are born again Christians fell pregnant , they didn't choose a girls name for the baby as I was told they had a god moment together and were adamant it was going to be a boy !

They had a girl …..

Hobbo was $50 up on the wager :wink:

I'm with Formerguest ... Gravity , physics and evolution !
Or were all in the Matrix !

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Lol humans can get it wrong, Hobbo - Christian or not, we're all just human.

Serious question: gravity, physics and evolution - where did they originate from?

 

[gallagher]

Where did god originate from. And how did he pass his time before he :righton: created us?

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

It gets to be a pain when sportsmen and Women credit God when they win a game or tournament(it's more prevalent among Golfers)
I've always wanted to know how God decides which one to help win, and which ones to drop into the bunkers. Or to have a slow horse
No one has ever been able to tell me, and I have a son in law who's both a Christian and a pro golfer, ( just retired) and he's never been able to give me an answer either.
Does it mean that all the others in the events ( including Christians ) are actually really bad Buggers, or does it mean they don't pray hard enough
More questions than answers!!

Yeah i always think, there's children dying of starvation and praying to god to save them and they won't be and yet a prayer to hit a golfball straight gets gods attention.
Do these people realise how self centred they are in believing a god would help them win a game and yet ignore a dying child? Do they even consider this? yet all they have to say when asked these questions is, 'god works in mysterious ways' ' no one can understand god', he's beyond human understanding, at that point i ask 'Then why have you just spent the last 10mins telling me all about him?"

Yeah, god is mysterious alright, so mysterious that a world with him in it or without him in it is indistinguishable.

The other problem is that there so many( Gods, that is) how do you pick which one to follow. I think that I'll just try to live a good life and treat people well and take my chances.
But if he decides to support WTs, then I might reconsider and get a little bit religious

 

[TIGER]

It's interesting that one of the great mathematicians in Albert Einstein concluded the odds of the world coming from a Big Bang theory are just too astronomical. He concluded that a greater force was behind the creation of the world hence he believed in a god.
No one really knows for sure. I'd rather have some belief and live it the best I can just in a case it is right rather than refusing to believe anything in case I'm wrong ! I didn't realise until talking to a Muslim that they acknowledge the existence of Jesus and Mary. Whereas Christians believe Jesus is the son of God they believe Jesus is only a prophet … Bit like John The Baptist. Christians and Muslims aren't as far apart as all the hatred and bitterness would have you believe. Anyway, one day we'll all find out ! Maybe we can resurrect this thread on the big forum in the sky !

Its interesting you say no one really knows for sure, thats right know one does, but then you go on to say but ill believe anyway just in case, why? This is called 'Pascals wager' by the way (google it).
Do you believe anything else in your life that there's no evidence of/for just in case?
Is it the threat of eternal punishment for getting it wrong that's keeping you holding onto that last thread?
What if it turns out you picked the wrong god, and you end up in another gods hell?
What criteria are you using to make sure you've selected the correct god?
Why not believe in all of them and really hedge your bets?
Do you see how silly this belief your desperately holding onto is now? are you getting me?

Your correct, no one knows, so until sufficient evidence is presented you should suspend judgement, i've already demonstrated how just picking one 'just in case' leaves you in the same position as a non believer, don't let threats of a mystical hell scare you.

 

[hobbo]

A couple I know who are born again Christians fell pregnant , they didn't choose a girls name for the baby as I was told they had a god moment together and were adamant it was going to be a boy !

They had a girl …..

Hobbo was $50 up on the wager :wink:

I'm with Formerguest ... Gravity , physics and evolution !
Or were all in the Matrix !

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Lol humans can get it wrong, Hobbo - Christian or not, we're all just human.

Serious question: gravity, physics and evolution - where did they originate from?

A galaxy far , far away …..........

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