There really is a God

[Tigerdave]

It won't happen in our lifetime sadly, but give it a couple of centuries and it will be all but gone.Atheism is expanding at a rapid rate.

it will truly be sad if that happens and sincerely hope it doesnt. do you think the idea of atheism will stay the same as well?

like all things, the meaning of atheism will start being open to interpretation- at least with religion, there are a specific set of beliefs that a majority belive in and live by.

I wouldn't think so, atheism is non-belief and that's it.

I've seen non-believers against gay marriage, I know of atheists who don't agree with evolution, I know of atheists who believe in all sorts of weird stuff. There's nothing specific, nothing set in stone, nothing concrete about it and there never will be. As Dawkins has stated, organizing atheists is like herding cats. I don't think that will change.

 

[tig_prmz]

You're probably already seeing this TP.

I think there is a distinct separation between atheists and anti-theists. I think the "new age atheism" we are seeing through people like Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Bill Maher et al are specifically anti-theists. That is, they oppose religion and seek for it to be eradicated. They're vocal, deliberately obnoxious and uncompromising with their views (sound familiar?)

I tend to think of an atheist much like a moderate Christian/Muslim/Jew who goes about their day without pontificating to anyone and everyone. They have their beliefs (or lack thereof,) generally respect others right to have their beliefs and won't discuss it unless it is brought up. Anti-theists are your hardline mental patients who think they hold the holy grail when it comes to their take on religion and are especially belligerent.

The only real difference between atheists and anti-theists and the religious sects is that I've not seen a plethora of religious folk be exterminated by atheists for having contrary opinions/beliefs.

gee i dont like the sound of that. i choose to be ignorant of stuff like this honestly.

personally, i love learning about different religions. have a lot of islamic friends, went to a catholic school and born/raised as a hindu. it's amazing how many similarities there are in the religions

 

[tig_prmz]

It won't happen in our lifetime sadly, but give it a couple of centuries and it will be all but gone.Atheism is expanding at a rapid rate.

it will truly be sad if that happens and sincerely hope it doesnt. do you think the idea of atheism will stay the same as well?

like all things, the meaning of atheism will start being open to interpretation- at least with religion, there are a specific set of beliefs that a majority belive in and live by.

I wouldn't think so, atheism is non-belief and that's it.

I've seen non-believers against gay marriage, I know of atheists who don't agree with evolution, I know of atheists who believe in all sorts of weird stuff. There's nothing specific, nothing set in stone, nothing concrete about it and there never will be. As Dawkins has stated, organizing atheists is like herding cats. I don't think that will change.

lol eventually it feels as though atheism in itself will become a religion- maybe without a God.

as i said before, you can choose to be a non believer but there is no point in arguing about religions that have existed over centuries and centuries.

 

[Tigerdave]

It won't happen in our lifetime sadly, but give it a couple of centuries and it will be all but gone.Atheism is expanding at a rapid rate.

it will truly be sad if that happens and sincerely hope it doesnt. do you think the idea of atheism will stay the same as well?

like all things, the meaning of atheism will start being open to interpretation- at least with religion, there are a specific set of beliefs that a majority belive in and live by.

I wouldn't think so, atheism is non-belief and that's it.

I've seen non-believers against gay marriage, I know of atheists who don't agree with evolution, I know of atheists who believe in all sorts of weird stuff. There's nothing specific, nothing set in stone, nothing concrete about it and there never will be. As Dawkins has stated, organizing atheists is like herding cats. I don't think that will change.

lol eventually it feels as though atheism in itself will become a religion- maybe without a God.

as i said before, you can choose to be a non believer but there is no point in arguing about religions that have existed over centuries and centuries.

I don't see how atheism can become a religion. There's no doctrine, there's no set of laws or anything, can't see how there will be.

We're born non-believers at any rate, well, agnostic in regards to religion and just because religions have existed for centuries doesn't mean that ends the discussion. I didn't choose, as such, to be a non-believer, I was brought up in a non-religious household, went to a Catholic High School as an atheist and nothing changed.

Don't you think there needs to be further reform in religious doctrines? Christianity went through a reform a few centuries ago, how religion is practiced has certainly changed due to talking/discussion and societal changes.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I watched an episode of Through the Wormhole a while back and the topic was "Is there really a God?"

On this episode, they did an experiment where they got two groups of kids and got them to toss sticky darts at a dartboard on their own in a room. They all missed or didn't hit the target they wanted and they all cheated and stuck the dart right on the bullseye.

They then put a chair in the room, brought the same kids back through and told them there was an invisible person in the room. They had them repeat the experiment and none of the kids cheated when they failed to hit the dartboard.

Funny how they coaxed these kids so easily into believing there was an ominous presence in the room. I think the whole point of the exercise was to show that it's easy to condition a child and they will grow up believing what they are repeatedly told from a young age (indoctrination.)

This could be said for anything, not just necessarily religion.

 

[Abraham]

I'm assuming you're more familiar with the bible than I am. Does it say anywhere in there that you should belittle and name call people with different beliefs? Insulting people isn't very Christian.

Nice attempted deflection there.

Pity you won't reply to content of my post however.

Much easier to throw darts and then play the victim, hey?

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[GNR4LIFE]

I'm assuming you're more familiar with the bible than I am. Does it say anywhere in there that you should belittle and name call people with different beliefs? Insulting people isn't very Christian.

Nice attempted deflection there.

Pity you won't reply to content of my post however.

Much easier to throw darts and then play the victim, hey?

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It's he said, she said. I haven't called you names despite you beliefs, so why do you feel the need yo call me names because of mine?

 

[Abraham]

It's he said, she said. I haven't called you names despite you beliefs, so why do you feel the need yo call me names because of mine?

Refer to my previous response.

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[GNR4LIFE]

It's he said, she said. I haven't called you names despite you beliefs, so why do you feel the need yo call me names because of mine?

Refer to my previous response.

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Now you're defecting

 

[hobbo]

I watched an episode of Through the Wormhole a while back and the topic was "Is there really a God?"

On this episode, they did an experiment where they got two groups of kids and got them to toss sticky darts at a dartboard on their own in a room. They all missed or didn't hit the target they wanted and they all cheated and stuck the dart right on the bullseye.

They then put a chair in the room, brought the same kids back through and told them there was an invisible person in the room. They had them repeat the experiment and none of the kids cheated when they failed to hit the dartboard.

Funny how they coaxed these kids so easily into believing there was an ominous presence in the room. I think the whole point of the exercise was to show that it's easy to condition a child and they will grow up believing what they are repeatedly told from a young age (indoctrination.)

This could be said for anything, not just necessarily religion.

Yeah so true !
Especially when it comes to following the Wests Tigers !!
"They'll come good soon son " lol

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[innsaneink]

You know the footy is sucking hard, when a thread about god is the hottest on the board

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

The only real difference between atheists and anti-theists and the religious sects is that I've not seen a plethora of religious folk be exterminated by atheists for having contrary opinions/beliefs.

I'd say that the extermination of close to 100 million people during the 20th century alone by atheist regimes would qualify.

Their victims in Europe especially contained significant numbers of Clergy and Christians laymen. They also destroyed thousands of churches, monasteries, and convents.

Truth is that atheist s*** stinks just as much as everybody else's.

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I would say that those victims were killed largely for political or racial reasons, rather than religion.

In any case Abraham, I'm not intending to argue with you. I actually pointed out earlier that Atheists on the whole are no better than the religious when it comes to getting on the soapbox, so I think you'll find we agree on this particular matter.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

Robbie is saved and Haynsie is back so there must be a god
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000609203/article/niners-promote-jarryd-hayne-to-active-roster

 

[tiger_one]

Christmas miracle ????

 

[stryker]

There is a god and his name is the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
He is celebrated in the church of Pastafarianism.
May the sauce be upon him.
Can I get a R'Amen?

 

[Fade_To_Black]

The only certain thing when it comes to religion is how many people have been slaughtered in the name of it. Myth.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

I consider the believers look through the telescope through the wrong end - they block out everything they don't want to see, at some point in the debate they will always depart science to insert the extra ingredient of a god.

 

[tig_prmz]

I think there will soon be a day when religion will be viewed as a cult or a clan or something like that. I hope that day doesn't come. Religion is the reason we have laws in the first place, education was started through religion, religion is directly responsible for science. Science WAS religion.

Science is just an advancement of religion IMO. I believe in both science and God. Those who view people who believe in God as one eyed looneys are hypocritical themselves. Most people in the world believe in religion and believe in God.

I don't know at what point it became Science vs Religion.

It's true that a lot of people have been killed in the name of religion but it's the people doing the killing not the religion. Every religion teaches nothing but peace. If it's not religion, these people will find something else to commit these inhumane acts.

Anyway I like this quote: “Either there is a God, or there isn’t. Both possibilities are frightening. If there is a God, we better find out who He is and find out what He wants and do what He says. If there is no God, we’re in trouble – we’re hurdling through space around the Sun right now at 66,000 miles an hour, and nobody’s in charge of it.”

 

[tig_prmz]

The only certain thing when it comes to religion is how many people have been slaughtered in the name of it. Myth.

there have been billions more slaughtered in the name of power.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

The only certain thing when it comes to religion is how many people have been slaughtered in the name of it. Myth.

there have been billions more slaughtered in the name of power.

Religion is another form of power. The Hell raisers can fleece millions off the gullible - isn't that a form of power. The Paradise raisers can con millions to die for 72 virgins - isn't that another form of power. The priest can forgive sins and guarantee entry to paradise for a few donations - isn't that a form of power.

All the above examples are also a form of psychological abuse