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[The_Tooth]

Would anyone care to bring up how many games we were winning a season before Sheens came aboard.
Either people have forgotten the pre Sheens era or jumpoed on the 2005 bandwagon.

He helped turn the club around and amongst all the recent criticism of his players and himself, he has handled that in the same proffessional manner that only an experienced coach like Sheens could.

He's not the best coach going around and he hasn't got the best record, but he is a true proffessional and he'll lead us through this period of criticism and we'll come out stronger as a team and as a club. Some of you fans need a long hard look in the mirror and stop targetting the easiest of scapegoats in Sheens. Losing is a part of footy, some of you expect a premiership every second year.

 

[tiger4ever]

Would anyone care to bring up how many games we were winning a season before Sheens came aboard.
Either people have forgotten the pre Sheens era or jumpoed on the 2005 bandwagon.

He helped turn the club around and amongst all the recent criticism of his players and himself, he has handled that in the same proffessional manner that only an experienced coach like Sheens could.

He's not the best coach going around and he hasn't got the best record, but he is a true proffessional and he'll lead us through this period of criticism and we'll come out stronger as a team and as a club. Some of you fans need a long hard look in the mirror and stop targetting the easiest of scapegoats in Sheens. Losing is a part of footy, some of you expect a premiership every second year.

Like your post and agree with you entirely.Tooth he doesnt have a bad record his win percentage is the same as most coaches in the league 50% and he coached penrith when they were struggling and the cowboys when they were running last and not far off it.
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Bennett has a higher win percenatge but he coached 1 team that would have been well over the cap lets see him coach souths or the sharks and see how he goes and please dont mention bellamy its clear why his win percentage is high.
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Hes done a remarkable job with this club and if we just had 1 more win and made the semis then all of a sudden hes a genious like he was in 05.lol

 

[ron_burgandy]

with out sheens 76 played 27 wins 3 draws 46 losses - 36% win ratio

with sheens 168 played 75 wins 0 draws 93 losses - 43% win ratio

yep huge difference the tooth

 

[system]

It all depends on how you look at it Ron.

The on field results have been dissapointing no doubt.

However it must be balanced with the positive boost Sheens reputation gave the club after our previous dark past and, whether it is solely his doing or not, the attention and media exposure our style of football has gotten the club. The channel 9 exposure alone has increased the value of our brand by a considerable margin I would wager.

The latter tenure of Tim Sheens coaching the Wests Tigers has no doubt had some large question marks which have been explored at length here and in other forums but ignoring what he has achieved in terms of club image and growth is a little silly.

That and I still believe people have over-rated the Wests Tigers playing roster for many years now. But thats a different story

 

[ron_burgandy]

It all depends on how you look at it Ron.

The on field results have been dissapointing no doubt.

However it must be balanced with the positive boost Sheens reputation gave the club after our previous dark past and, whether it is solely his doing or not, the attention and media exposure our style of football has gotten the club. The channel 9 exposure alone has increased the value of our brand by a considerable margin I would wager.

The latter tenure of Tim Sheens coaching the Wests Tigers has no doubt had some large question marks which have been explored at length here and in other forums but ignoring what he has achieved in terms of club image and growth is a little silly.

That and I still believe people have over-rated the Wests Tigers playing roster for many years now. But thats a different story

mate im not denying his positive effect on the club, a coach of his status was always gonna have a positive effect roll through the club

but at the end of the day its about winning games and like ive said before sheens noyce humphreys have been blessed that they have had such a well supported club, our lowest season average is 10,000 people per game, all this despite constant failure, i think its time us fans are repayed with results and as the years have shown sheens hasnt got that done and i think its time for a change

i think alot of the reason sheens has kept his job is because of the results off the field and as long as we keep turning up to games and being the best supported club in sydney i think the club feels thats enough, the dollars are rolling in so they are happy.

but its enough now, we need on field results us fans have suffered enough and its time for our retribution, GET US RESULTS ON THE FIELD

 

[hybrid_tiger]

No-one can deny Sheens is probably the best thing that happened to this club. He came to us when we were a basket case, turned us around, we won a comp and we are now a competitive side (most of the time). I will always be grateful for the job he has done.

However, his achievements in the initial years and the subsequent premiership should not mean the mistakes and poor decisions made in the last four years be overlooked. Sheens IMO has just gone stale here (since the end of 07 onwards), completely understandable after a long tenure as head coach.

 

[system]

I don't disagree with your thoughts hybrid. Just pointing out some facts that sometimes get lost in the heat of the moment after a loss.

I was looking for a torch and pitchfork after the Souths game but when I calmed myself I went back to my original estimation that I would make my final call at years end on Tim

 

[innsaneink]

Hi EA welcome

 

[Pokies]

No-one can deny Sheens is probably the best thing that happened to this club. He came to us when we were a basket case, turned us around, we won a comp and we are now a competitive side (most of the time). I will always be grateful for the job he has done.

However, his achievements in the initial years and the subsequent premiership should not mean the mistakes and poor decisions made in the last four years be overlooked. Sheens IMO has just gone stale here (since the end of 07 onwards), completely understandable after a long tenure as head coach.

Excellent Post.

 

[tomatosoup9121]

I don't mind people thinking Tim's time might be up and even with the amount of respect I hold for him I completely understand why you guys are feeling that way. What I can't stand is the amount of people death riding Sheens, death riding the tigers, in fact I have seen a few posts from people saying things like 'i hope we lose so we get rid of Sheens". Tim has put it on the record if he fails this year he walks and until the season is over I just don't understand why people can't genuinely hope we succeed.

In terms of the coaches you were rambling about Ron they all have one common theme and they had talented premiership caliber squads
Folkes was part of the original salary cap rorters
Stuart inherited Gus Goulds superstar team
Brown had the most talented bunch of chokers of all time
and when they started failing with premiership caliber teams they were given the boot.

I ask you give Sheens the same chance. In 2005 we won a premiership and due to the salary cap system where you are penalised for success we payed overs for players that didn't quite develop the way they were expected to. Noyce back loaded contracts and then ran like hell and as a result our list suffered and its only now 2010 where we have a genuine top 4 quality squad and I ask you give sheens the chance to succeed with a top squad. Because the last time he coached a talented squad he took them to oh um that's right 8/9 finals appearances, 3 grand finals and 2 premierships.

 

[Guest]

I don't mind people thinking Tim's time might be up and even with the amount of respect I hold for him I completely understand why you guys are feeling that way. What I can't stand is the amount of people death riding Sheens, death riding the tigers, in fact I have seen a few posts from people saying things like 'i hope we lose so we get rid of Sheens". Tim has put it on the record if he fails this year he walks and until the season is over I just don't understand why people can't genuinely hope we succeed.

In terms of the coaches you were rambling about Ron they all have one common theme and they had talented premiership caliber squads
Folkes was part of the original salary cap rorters
Stuart inherited Gus Goulds superstar team
Brown had the most talented bunch of chokers of all time
and when they started failing with premiership caliber teams they were given the boot.

I ask you give Sheens the same chance. In 2005 we won a premiership and due to the salary cap system where you are penalised for success we payed overs for players that didn't quite develop the way they were expected to. Noyce back loaded contracts and then ran like hell and as a result our list suffered and its only now 2010 where we have a genuine top 4 quality squad and I ask you give sheens the chance to succeed with a top squad. Because the last time he coached a talented squad he took them to oh um that's right 8/9 finals appearances, 3 grand finals and 2 premierships.

Excellent post.

 

[ron_burgandy]

soup

what im tired of is people saying oh folkes had these players ricky had these players bellamy has these player blah blah blah

those clubs recruited well, another flaw of sheens, and isnt it the point of winning games that you have a good team to coach? we have a good team over half of them have played or currently play rep footy

sheens was handed a raiders team full of stars, so is his work there more credible then stuarts at the roosters?

its funny how alot of you say these coaches were sucsessful only because they had start studded teams but neglet the fact that alot of them coached these players from a lower level up to grade or picked up left overs from other clubs and turned them into the stars they are and have reaped rewards of premierships for it

melbourne storm sure they paid overs to keep their players and got caught but slater inglis smith cronk falou hoffman white all debuted for them in FG even a couple of their premiership props were WT rejects who no-one here wanted

sheens had the perfect platform to build from in 05 and since its all gone backwards and to me though they wont say it seemed to have lost faith in coach sheens

 

[innsaneink]

Seems like most are looking for the perfect coach, someone throws a name up and its "oh he had this" or "he didnt have that"….the perfect coach dont exist

 

[simonthetiger]

I don't mind people thinking Tim's time might be up and even with the amount of respect I hold for him I completely understand why you guys are feeling that way. What I can't stand is the amount of people death riding Sheens, death riding the tigers, in fact I have seen a few posts from people saying things like 'i hope we lose so we get rid of Sheens". Tim has put it on the record if he fails this year he walks and until the season is over I just don't understand why people can't genuinely hope we succeed.

In terms of the coaches you were rambling about Ron they all have one common theme and they had talented premiership caliber squads
Folkes was part of the original salary cap rorters
Stuart inherited Gus Goulds superstar team
Brown had the most talented bunch of chokers of all time
and when they started failing with premiership caliber teams they were given the boot.

I ask you give Sheens the same chance. In 2005 we won a premiership and due to the salary cap system where you are penalised for success we payed overs for players that didn't quite develop the way they were expected to. Noyce back loaded contracts and then ran like hell and as a result our list suffered and its only now 2010 where we have a genuine top 4 quality squad and I ask you give sheens the chance to succeed with a top squad. Because the last time he coached a talented squad he took them to oh um that's right 8/9 finals appearances, 3 grand finals and 2 premierships.

Excellent post.

x 2.

 

[Geo]

I don't mind people thinking Tim's time might be up and even with the amount of respect I hold for him I completely understand why you guys are feeling that way. What I can't stand is the amount of people death riding Sheens, death riding the tigers, in fact I have seen a few posts from people saying things like 'i hope we lose so we get rid of Sheens". Tim has put it on the record if he fails this year he walks and until the season is over I just don't understand why people can't genuinely hope we succeed.

In terms of the coaches you were rambling about Ron they all have one common theme and they had talented premiership caliber squads
Folkes was part of the original salary cap rorters
Stuart inherited Gus Goulds superstar team
Brown had the most talented bunch of chokers of all time
and when they started failing with premiership caliber teams they were given the boot.

I ask you give Sheens the same chance. In 2005 we won a premiership and due to the salary cap system where you are penalised for success we payed overs for players that didn't quite develop the way they were expected to. Noyce back loaded contracts and then ran like hell and as a result our list suffered and its only now 2010 where we have a genuine top 4 quality squad and I ask you give sheens the chance to succeed with a top squad. Because the last time he coached a talented squad he took them to oh um that's right 8/9 finals appearances, 3 grand finals and 2 premierships.

Excellent post.

x 2.

X 3.

We'll said soup…I'm back on the Sheensy bandwagon....

 

[simonthetiger]

Soup is the new black.

 

[king_sirro]

I dont think anyone disputes the goood things Tim Sheens has done for this club

 

[simonthetiger]

I dont think anyone disputes the goood things Tim Sheens has done for this club

If this is true…...why is he treated like rubbish by so many???

 

[tiger4ever]

I don't mind people thinking Tim's time might be up and even with the amount of respect I hold for him I completely understand why you guys are feeling that way. What I can't stand is the amount of people death riding Sheens, death riding the tigers, in fact I have seen a few posts from people saying things like 'i hope we lose so we get rid of Sheens". Tim has put it on the record if he fails this year he walks and until the season is over I just don't understand why people can't genuinely hope we succeed.

In terms of the coaches you were rambling about Ron they all have one common theme and they had talented premiership caliber squads
Folkes was part of the original salary cap rorters
Stuart inherited Gus Goulds superstar team
Brown had the most talented bunch of chokers of all time
and when they started failing with premiership caliber teams they were given the boot.

I ask you give Sheens the same chance. In 2005 we won a premiership and due to the salary cap system where you are penalised for success we payed overs for players that didn't quite develop the way they were expected to. Noyce back loaded contracts and then ran like hell and as a result our list suffered and its only now 2010 where we have a genuine top 4 quality squad and I ask you give sheens the chance to succeed with a top squad. Because the last time he coached a talented squad he took them to oh um that's right 8/9 finals appearances, 3 grand finals and 2 premierships.

One of the most sensible post i have seen on here.

 

[AndTheKungFoSing]

Soup is the new black

Haha I reckon… Loving it...