Tigers board to undertake post-season review

[Tiger_Fanatic3]

@brycegibbs


Bryce should be our PR man..he would put them all in their place.

Slothfield needs a slap in the mouth

 

[yeahcaz]

Not sure if this is the correct post or even if I’m allowed to do so but I’ve started my own crusade over on Twitter to try and get some accountability from the head honchos of this basket case club by tweeting them every day. It may prove complete folly and a total waste of time but I believe us fans are In a better position than anyone to call out the shortcomings of the clubs hierarchy, starting with small online protests like this and then going on to downward sales of memberships etc. my Twitter handle is the same as my forum name. Would love to try get as much exposure on it as possible. Also apologies to any admins/mods If this type of advertisement is not allowed. Thanks friends

 

[Tiger Woods]

The review conclusion will be it was a write off season bla bla bla the same mumbo jumbo over & over for the last 10 years
Nobody up the top will be held accountable & they will keep their cushy jobs
A few heads will roll down the bottom & then the rollercoaster ride will begin again in March 2022 with false promises

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

If you commission a review, and you're part of what's being reviewed, good luck with objectivity.

But who else can commission the review, other than someone at the club?

Anyone externally really ......Matt Elliott .....Toovey .....Hagan

Anyone, that doesn't currently have any affiliations with any NRL club. If they're on the board, an assistant etc they're out. That includes any internal staff including Sheens.

I was originally thinking Greg Alexander but in think he's on the board for Penny

Sterlo?

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

We finished
2019 - 9th
2020 - 11th
2021 - 13th
If there isn’t change soon 15th or the wooden spoon is waiting for us

It is that bad.
Broncos, Bulldogs, Warriors and Cowboys will be better next year based on recruitment and injured stars back, heck the Warriors will hopefully play at home for the 1st time in 2yrs & have their full squad available week to week.

We are a disaster.


Broncos, Bulldogs and Cowboys share a common problem with WT. All poorly run organisations urgently trying to solve problems created by bad choices.
WT started turning things around before them, so I can’t see us not being ahead of that game. It may not look like it after the Hiding we got from the Bulldogs.
Our future success is more dependent on the choices of our decision makers, whom ever they may be?
A typical organisation develops a proven formula for success, establishes systems and procedures to compliment and drive toward goals of various time horizons. Has motivated people, who are fully aware of their duties and responsibilities, the value of the part they play while being dedicated to achieving the organisation’s goals.
I’m totally convinced we are using a different approach where decisions are not born from collaboration and made by the person responsible, but come about as a result of infighting. The TPJ fiasco was a classic example.
As Lauren previously eluded to, their collective problem solving skills are not inspiring any confidence. One possible reason for this is could be the focus on who is wrong, not what is wrong? Playing the man, not the ball?

Issue I have is the Broncos & Bulldogs are now infront of us.

Our strategy of being a junior haven has merit but no junior with huge talent will stay if they have no support. We are also buying a bunch of kids to jump into Reggies or NRL. The pact of growing up together and coming through the grades together doesn’t exist as such wanting to stick together means little when a club who is competitive & with a fellow support cast comes knocking.

Broncos/Bulldogs and Cowboys have bought NRL starting players, we have bought 2 players from ESL. Both will struggle with the speed & size of the NRL. They also will miss the start of preseason (ESL has 2 more rounds + finals, then they have to get into the country - which has taken Sheens 5mths now to get here, hotel isolation for 2 weeks & then find place to live etc). Add to this AD & Talau injured missing all off season & big chunk of the season. We are in a very ugly state.

Normally when you create a strategy you also develop a gliepath which has milestones/success indicators and which then also have plan a/b/c on who/how/what has to happen to get there. You have fortnightly & monthly checkpoints on progression which then leads to cause correction.

Broncos, Bulldogs, Sharks, Warriors have done this well.

We have stuffed it up in a major way to the point established players just don’t want to come here.

Madge said players do want to come, we have a massive amount of cash to spend and yet zero, not 1 NRL top 17 player from the last 3yrs has signed with us for next year. We don’t even have a player who is in the top 30 squads joining us.

Our Reggies offer little in the step up as well.

Last year we had Stefano & Laurie to look forward to seeing this year. Madge talks about bringing kids in but our recruitment on top line kids has also dried up. We don’t even have a kid to look forward to seeing.

It’s like our talent scouts are just focusing on kids to play Flegg or under and hope in 5-6yrs that some (only 9% of Flegg kids make it in NRL) jump up.

Our strategy on youth is great in theory but our operationalization of our strategy is terrible.

Our strategy to never pay overs is great once you have a team people want to join, but again our operationalization of the strategy is terrible

Our coach and coaching staff our trying to enforce structures on players who either can’t play that way or just don’t have the skill. Not once does Madge and the coaching staff coach the team based off the skills/capabilities of the players or have ability to cause correct but hey we train the best ever every week - what more can you train for?

Pascoe has alot of flaws but his business acumen in implementing the financial strategy has been executed brilliantly well considering how bad we are going but he is still able to get money in the kitty.

The reality is though we have no one at the club currently who knows how to implement a football on the park strategy. Sheens role wasn’t actually to do this - his role was on pathways. I’m glad he is now involved based on reviews. I honestly think we need someone like a Bennet with a younger coach under his wing to really drive a change needed, he knows how to transform things and knows how to operationalize a strategy and he knows how to man manage.

Madge has passion, can never deny that. He lives/breathes the game. In his head he knows what is needed to win - his support cast is crap & the way he coaches our team just won’t attrack anyone to the club anytime soon. It’s clear he is lost for ideas and doesn’t know how to cause correct & the playing squad have lost faith.

We can do a cleanout but issue is no one wants to come, if we clean out we have to pay players to play at other clubs and then play for new players undoing all the great work to have a war chest.

Right now we are lost, we have no clear path forward & no end in sight as to when we will see some positives.

The really big positive in all of this is that we've paid the price of getting the cap back into balance, to the point that, the best players on the park will have the higher contract payments, barring injuries of course. This short term pain of having inexperienced players lose games has been well and truly worth it, its given us cap space to go to market, and game time for those players to audition.
I personally think that our coaching staff got the most out of this team of youngsters in 2021, particularly when compared with Bulldags, who had a similar roster.
However, it was a little disappointing that our senior players didn't bite down on the guard and consistently show some more leadership.
What I'd really like to know is, now that we're over the hump. what plans are in place to ensure we dont make the same mistakes? I know Lee said he wouldnt be drawn into commenting or speculating on the future of Madge, and that his and Pascoe's jobs are on the line as well as all board members'.
But are they really???

Interesting that we call our youth in the side as an excuse - will break this down just to show this data:

68 players who are 20yrs or under - we had 3

Of the 52 that are 21 - we had 6 (most in NRL)

Of the 56 that are 22 - we had 3

So for those 22 and under we had 11 out of 176 eligible. Roosters, Manly, Dragons, Titans & Broncos had equal or more than us. Eels & Panthers had 10 each. Rest of the NRL say below that.

Of our 11, 4 are starting roles (Blore, Talau, Stefano, Laurie) which has us with Titans & Eels, and most of the top 8 are at 3. Some of the other clubs have had younger starting numbers during the year but I was using 4 or more games starting to remove SOO.

 

[Tiger5150]

‘Putrid’ Tigers exposed for ‘Mickey Mouse review’ that won’t target ‘problem’ people

Staff Writers from Fox Sports
September 6th, 2021 7:47 pm
Watch every NRL Finals game live in September on Fox League, Channel 502


The Wests Tigers have been taken to task for launching a “Mickey Mouse review” that will be run by the very people it should almost certainly be investigating.

Immediately following a disastrous 38-0 loss at the hands of bottom-placed Canterbury on Sunday, the Concord powerbrokers set about trying to figure out how the season went from bad to worse for a team that hasn’t played finals in a decade.

His future as coach is in serous jeopardy following the debacle that was 2021.

Paul Kent, though, believes the fault lies with the men on the field, not the one holding the clipboard.

“It lifted the lid on the character of the Wests Tigers,” Kent said.

“And it showed what Michael Maguire has been battling all season, which is they are, as a collective, weak.

“They haven’t got the character to get in the fight and stay in the fight. The fact they quit so easily yesterday in that game... as a group they turned it up, 38-0 against the worst team in the competition... if they have any semblance of professional pride they put in a performance yesterday, and they didn’t turn up.”

A review has been launched by the Tigers board to get to the bottom of the horror campaign.

But, bizarrely, the review will be run by club chief executive Justin Pascoe and his football manager Adam Hartigan.

“Why have a review done by people who should be being reviewed?” Phil Rothfield said.

“They need an independent mob in there to do this review.”

Kent revealed the Tigers board will enlist the help of former coach Tim Sheens, who will return to Concord once he can fly into Australia from England.

“The ace up the sleeve of the Tigers is Tim Sheens,” Kent said.

“The board will be putting it to Justin Pascoe and Adam Hartigan to go and come back with some answers they want asked. It’s not about pathways or anything like that, it’s all about the performance of the NRL team.

“They want answers and they want them back from Pascoe and Hartigan. But I ask the question, what if they’re the problem? What is Pascoe and Hartigan are part of the problem? That (information) won’t come back.

“The board will sit down with the answers to those questions, Tim Sheens will be part of that review as well.”

Hooper slammed the Tigers board for handing the review duties to the two men who should be included in the investigations.

He also revealed Hartigan and coach Maguire recently had a stink while in camp in Queensland.

“It’s a Mickey Mouse review when you’ve got the CEO who’s under enormous pressure, and a general manager of football who’s in the same boat, who’s had a big stink with Maguire up in Brisbane,” Hooper said.

“Inside the bubble they’ve had a bust-up, they’ve obviously tried to smoke the peace pipe and bring it back on the same page.

“You can really see the self preservation and the desperation start to creep into things at the Tigers.”

Would love to see what the hartigan lovers on here have to say about all the flack he is copping. In particular @cochise with the greatest respect.

Also how has it taken an entire season of failure for pascoes name to finally be dragged through the mud.

The Hartigan flack is misdirected, they other areas of the football department are flying. It is the NRL squad that is struggling. Hartigan is setting us up for long term sustained success.

With all due respect mate , $10 million in wages go into the NRL team. You can’t disregard that when judging performance, all other areas of the football department are there to support success of that team. I don’t see how a few young players like Stef and Laurie can paper over the cracks. That game yesterday was laughable .

Of course it was, I just place the blame at a different pair of feet than you do.

Is he wearing the same shoes as Taylor and Potter? I have my doubts about Madge too, he looked like a dead man walking after the game. I feel he deserves a shot without ***Mbye, BJ, packer etc stinking up the joint***.

Not sure that is applicable. None of these guys impede the signing of players for 2022 and it is clear how successful we are at the moment in that field.

 

[Tiger5150]

I really hope we are not signing flannigan he is a cheat and did well with a team over the salary cap and on peptides.
Have a bad feeling it will be Flanno

It won't be Flanagan

Hope you are right

 

[Tiger5150]

I really hope we are not signing flannigan he is a cheat and did well with a team over the salary cap and on peptides.
Have a bad feeling it will be Flanno

It won't be Flanagan

hope you are right cochise
I wouldn't mind John Morris

On what basis, seriously?

How did he go with a squad significantly stronger than ours?

 

[BAGNF05]

‘Putrid’ Tigers exposed for ‘Mickey Mouse review’ that won’t target ‘problem’ people

Staff Writers from Fox Sports
September 6th, 2021 7:47 pm
Watch every NRL Finals game live in September on Fox League, Channel 502


The Wests Tigers have been taken to task for launching a “Mickey Mouse review” that will be run by the very people it should almost certainly be investigating.

Immediately following a disastrous 38-0 loss at the hands of bottom-placed Canterbury on Sunday, the Concord powerbrokers set about trying to figure out how the season went from bad to worse for a team that hasn’t played finals in a decade.

His future as coach is in serous jeopardy following the debacle that was 2021.

Paul Kent, though, believes the fault lies with the men on the field, not the one holding the clipboard.

“It lifted the lid on the character of the Wests Tigers,” Kent said.

“And it showed what Michael Maguire has been battling all season, which is they are, as a collective, weak.

“They haven’t got the character to get in the fight and stay in the fight. The fact they quit so easily yesterday in that game... as a group they turned it up, 38-0 against the worst team in the competition... if they have any semblance of professional pride they put in a performance yesterday, and they didn’t turn up.”

A review has been launched by the Tigers board to get to the bottom of the horror campaign.

But, bizarrely, the review will be run by club chief executive Justin Pascoe and his football manager Adam Hartigan.

“Why have a review done by people who should be being reviewed?” Phil Rothfield said.

“They need an independent mob in there to do this review.”

Kent revealed the Tigers board will enlist the help of former coach Tim Sheens, who will return to Concord once he can fly into Australia from England.

“The ace up the sleeve of the Tigers is Tim Sheens,” Kent said.

“The board will be putting it to Justin Pascoe and Adam Hartigan to go and come back with some answers they want asked. It’s not about pathways or anything like that, it’s all about the performance of the NRL team.

“They want answers and they want them back from Pascoe and Hartigan. But I ask the question, what if they’re the problem? What is Pascoe and Hartigan are part of the problem? That (information) won’t come back.

“The board will sit down with the answers to those questions, Tim Sheens will be part of that review as well.”

Hooper slammed the Tigers board for handing the review duties to the two men who should be included in the investigations.

He also revealed Hartigan and coach Maguire recently had a stink while in camp in Queensland.

“It’s a Mickey Mouse review when you’ve got the CEO who’s under enormous pressure, and a general manager of football who’s in the same boat, who’s had a big stink with Maguire up in Brisbane,” Hooper said.

“Inside the bubble they’ve had a bust-up, they’ve obviously tried to smoke the peace pipe and bring it back on the same page.

“You can really see the self preservation and the desperation start to creep into things at the Tigers.”

Would love to see what the hartigan lovers on here have to say about all the flack he is copping. In particular @cochise with the greatest respect.

Also how has it taken an entire season of failure for pascoes name to finally be dragged through the mud.

The Hartigan flack is misdirected, they other areas of the football department are flying. It is the NRL squad that is struggling. Hartigan is setting us up for long term sustained success.

With all due respect mate , $10 million in wages go into the NRL team. You can’t disregard that when judging performance, all other areas of the football department are there to support success of that team. I don’t see how a few young players like Stef and Laurie can paper over the cracks. That game yesterday was laughable .

Of course it was, I just place the blame at a different pair of feet than you do.

Is he wearing the same shoes as Taylor and Potter? I have my doubts about Madge too, he looked like a dead man walking after the game. I feel he deserves a shot without ***Mbye, BJ, packer etc stinking up the joint***.

Not sure that is applicable. None of these guys impede the signing of players for 2022 and it is clear how successful we are at the moment in that field.

But their presence at our club for 4 years ??‍♂️ has created the rot that we are! We are also paying Mbye next year.

 

[Tiger5150]

I really hope we are not signing flannigan he is a cheat and did well with a team over the salary cap and on peptides.
Have a bad feeling it will be Flanno

It won't be Flanagan

hope you are right cochise
I wouldn't mind John Morris

How long would you give him?

I'd give Morris 3 years with Sheens helping him

Serious question. Why?

What is it about his performance with a much stronger Sharks squad that makes you think he is the man for this lot?

 

[Tiger5150]

***Roach hinted*** that the problems are just not the coach,and i would like to know if it's the whole management. Seriously, we have gone backwards since our premiership shock win. Losing key players Teddy, Moses, and Woods was massive, but we show no sign of an upward trend.
Does Managment overule Hartigan and or the coach owing to being gun shy after previous bad signings?
Why does a club with close to 2 mil dollars,miss out on TPJ, Burton, Critchton and at least 5 other players, to sides who finished behind us last year? Who signed the crap second raters and reject Souths players? The whole club needs a cleanout, but who sacks the commitee ?

You lost me at "Roach hinted". If you are basing an argument or question on what Steve Roach "thinks", it has limited merit.

 

[BAGNF05]

***Roach hinted*** that the problems are just not the coach,and i would like to know if it's the whole management. Seriously, we have gone backwards since our premiership shock win. Losing key players Teddy, Moses, and Woods was massive, but we show no sign of an upward trend.
Does Managment overule Hartigan and or the coach owing to being gun shy after previous bad signings?
Why does a club with close to 2 mil dollars,miss out on TPJ, Burton, Critchton and at least 5 other players, to sides who finished behind us last year? Who signed the crap second raters and reject Souths players? The whole club needs a cleanout, but who sacks the commitee ?

You lost me at "Roach hinted". If you are basing an argument or question on what Steve Roach "thinks", it has limited merit.

Knows footy 100 times more than the pretenders making decisions at WT. Lee says we have a good roster ??‍♂️

 

[Tiger5150]

We finished
2019 - 9th
2020 - 11th
2021 - 13th
If there isn’t change soon 15th or the wooden spoon is waiting for us

It is that bad.
Broncos, Bulldogs, Warriors and Cowboys will be better next year based on recruitment and injured stars back, heck the Warriors will hopefully play at home for the 1st time in 2yrs & have their full squad available week to week.

We are a disaster.


Broncos, Bulldogs and Cowboys share a common problem with WT. All poorly run organisations urgently trying to solve problems created by bad choices.
WT started turning things around before them, so I can’t see us not being ahead of that game. It may not look like it after the Hiding we got from the Bulldogs.
Our future success is more dependent on the choices of our decision makers, whom ever they may be?
A typical organisation develops a proven formula for success, establishes systems and procedures to compliment and drive toward goals of various time horizons. Has motivated people, who are fully aware of their duties and responsibilities, the value of the part they play while being dedicated to achieving the organisation’s goals.
I’m totally convinced we are using a different approach where decisions are not born from collaboration and made by the person responsible, but come about as a result of infighting. The TPJ fiasco was a classic example.
As Lauren previously eluded to, their collective problem solving skills are not inspiring any confidence. One possible reason for this is could be the focus on who is wrong, not what is wrong? Playing the man, not the ball?

Issue I have is the Broncos & Bulldogs are now infront of us.

Our strategy of being a junior haven has merit but no junior with huge talent will stay if they have no support. We are also buying a bunch of kids to jump into Reggies or NRL. The pact of growing up together and coming through the grades together doesn’t exist as such wanting to stick together means little when a club who is competitive & with a fellow support cast comes knocking.

Broncos/Bulldogs and Cowboys have bought NRL starting players, we have bought 2 players from ESL. Both will struggle with the speed & size of the NRL. They also will miss the start of preseason (ESL has 2 more rounds + finals, then they have to get into the country - which has taken Sheens 5mths now to get here, hotel isolation for 2 weeks & then find place to live etc). Add to this AD & Talau injured missing all off season & big chunk of the season. We are in a very ugly state.

Normally when you create a strategy you also develop a gliepath which has milestones/success indicators and which then also have plan a/b/c on who/how/what has to happen to get there. You have fortnightly & monthly checkpoints on progression which then leads to cause correction.

Broncos, Bulldogs, Sharks, Warriors have done this well.

We have stuffed it up in a major way to the point established players just don’t want to come here.

Madge said players do want to come, we have a massive amount of cash to spend and yet zero, not 1 NRL top 17 player from the last 3yrs has signed with us for next year. We don’t even have a player who is in the top 30 squads joining us.

Our Reggies offer little in the step up as well.

Last year we had Stefano & Laurie to look forward to seeing this year. Madge talks about bringing kids in but our recruitment on top line kids has also dried up. We don’t even have a kid to look forward to seeing.

It’s like our talent scouts are just focusing on kids to play Flegg or under and hope in 5-6yrs that some (only 9% of Flegg kids make it in NRL) jump up.

Our strategy on youth is great in theory but our operationalization of our strategy is terrible.

Our strategy to never pay overs is great once you have a team people want to join, but again our operationalization of the strategy is terrible

Our coach and coaching staff our trying to enforce structures on players who either can’t play that way or just don’t have the skill. Not once does Madge and the coaching staff coach the team based off the skills/capabilities of the players or have ability to cause correct but hey we train the best ever every week - what more can you train for?

Pascoe has alot of flaws but his business acumen in implementing the financial strategy has been executed brilliantly well considering how bad we are going but he is still able to get money in the kitty.

The reality is though we have no one at the club currently who knows how to implement a football on the park strategy. Sheens role wasn’t actually to do this - his role was on pathways. I’m glad he is now involved based on reviews. I honestly think we need someone like a Bennet with a younger coach under his wing to really drive a change needed, he knows how to transform things and knows how to operationalize a strategy and he knows how to man manage.

Madge has passion, can never deny that. He lives/breathes the game. In his head he knows what is needed to win - his support cast is crap & the way he coaches our team just won’t attrack anyone to the club anytime soon. It’s clear he is lost for ideas and doesn’t know how to cause correct & the playing squad have lost faith.

We can do a cleanout but issue is no one wants to come, if we clean out we have to pay players to play at other clubs and then play for new players undoing all the great work to have a war chest.

Right now we are lost, we have no clear path forward & no end in sight as to when we will see some positives.

The really big positive in all of this is that we've paid the price of getting the cap back into balance, to the point that, the best players on the park will have the higher contract payments, barring injuries of course. This short term pain of having inexperienced players lose games has been well and truly worth it, its given us cap space to go to market, and game time for those players to audition.
I personally think that our coaching staff got the most out of this team of youngsters in 2021, particularly when compared with Bulldags, who had a similar roster.
However, it was a little disappointing that our senior players didn't bite down on the guard and consistently show some more leadership.
What I'd really like to know is, now that we're over the hump. what plans are in place to ensure we dont make the same mistakes? I know Lee said he wouldnt be drawn into commenting or speculating on the future of Madge, and that his and Pascoe's jobs are on the line as well as all board members'.
But are they really???

Interesting that we call our youth in the side as an excuse - will break this down just to show this data:

68 players who are 20yrs or under - we had 3

Of the 52 that are 21 - we had 6 (most in NRL)

Of the 56 that are 22 - we had 3

So for those 22 and under we had 11 out of 176 eligible. Roosters, Manly, Dragons, Titans & Broncos had equal or more than us. Eels & Panthers had 10 each. Rest of the NRL say below that.

Of our 11, 4 are starting roles (Blore, Talau, Stefano, Laurie) which has us with Titans & Eels, and most of the top 8 are at 3. Some of the other clubs have had younger starting numbers during the year but I was using 4 or more games starting to remove SOO.

What is your point?

We are the youngest squad in the NRL, by a fair way.

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[GNR4LIFE]

***Roach hinted*** that the problems are just not the coach,and i would like to know if it's the whole management. Seriously, we have gone backwards since our premiership shock win. Losing key players Teddy, Moses, and Woods was massive, but we show no sign of an upward trend.
Does Managment overule Hartigan and or the coach owing to being gun shy after previous bad signings?
Why does a club with close to 2 mil dollars,miss out on TPJ, Burton, Critchton and at least 5 other players, to sides who finished behind us last year? Who signed the crap second raters and reject Souths players? The whole club needs a cleanout, but who sacks the commitee ?

You lost me at "Roach hinted". If you are basing an argument or question on what Steve Roach "thinks", it has limited merit.

Knows footy 100 times more than the pretenders making decisions at WT. Lee says we have a good roster ??‍♂️

He’s a buffoon

 

[Tiger5150]

***Roach hinted*** that the problems are just not the coach,and i would like to know if it's the whole management. Seriously, we have gone backwards since our premiership shock win. Losing key players Teddy, Moses, and Woods was massive, but we show no sign of an upward trend.
Does Managment overule Hartigan and or the coach owing to being gun shy after previous bad signings?
Why does a club with close to 2 mil dollars,miss out on TPJ, Burton, Critchton and at least 5 other players, to sides who finished behind us last year? Who signed the crap second raters and reject Souths players? The whole club needs a cleanout, but who sacks the commitee ?

You lost me at "Roach hinted". If you are basing an argument or question on what Steve Roach "thinks", it has limited merit.

Knows footy 100 times more than the pretenders making decisions at WT. Lee says we have a good roster ??‍♂️

I see zero evidence of that. How did he go coaching lower grades at Tigers & Souffs (answer is concurrent wooden spoons coaching previously successful teams), how many clubs have had him coaching since. The guy seriously has zero clue and worse than that he has a chip on his shoulder because the Tigers refuse to give him a job.

Possibly one of the few guys with less football knowledge than Lee & JP shich makes his playing career all the more remarkable.

 

[mike]

***Roach hinted*** that the problems are just not the coach,and i would like to know if it's the whole management. Seriously, we have gone backwards since our premiership shock win. Losing key players Teddy, Moses, and Woods was massive, but we show no sign of an upward trend.
Does Managment overule Hartigan and or the coach owing to being gun shy after previous bad signings?
Why does a club with close to 2 mil dollars,miss out on TPJ, Burton, Critchton and at least 5 other players, to sides who finished behind us last year? Who signed the crap second raters and reject Souths players? The whole club needs a cleanout, but who sacks the commitee ?

You lost me at "Roach hinted". If you are basing an argument or question on what Steve Roach "thinks", it has limited merit.

Knows footy 100 times more than the pretenders making decisions at WT. Lee says we have a good roster ??‍♂️

Lee is a lawyer, that’s says it all.

 

[BAGNF05]

***Roach hinted*** that the problems are just not the coach,and i would like to know if it's the whole management. Seriously, we have gone backwards since our premiership shock win. Losing key players Teddy, Moses, and Woods was massive, but we show no sign of an upward trend.
Does Managment overule Hartigan and or the coach owing to being gun shy after previous bad signings?
Why does a club with close to 2 mil dollars,miss out on TPJ, Burton, Critchton and at least 5 other players, to sides who finished behind us last year? Who signed the crap second raters and reject Souths players? The whole club needs a cleanout, but who sacks the commitee ?

You lost me at "Roach hinted". If you are basing an argument or question on what Steve Roach "thinks", it has limited merit.

Knows footy 100 times more than the pretenders making decisions at WT. Lee says we have a good roster ??‍♂️

Lee is a lawyer, that’s says it all.

I have no gripes with lawyers but him holding up Tommy’s #7 was it for me.

 

[BAGNF05]

***Roach hinted*** that the problems are just not the coach,and i would like to know if it's the whole management. Seriously, we have gone backwards since our premiership shock win. Losing key players Teddy, Moses, and Woods was massive, but we show no sign of an upward trend.
Does Managment overule Hartigan and or the coach owing to being gun shy after previous bad signings?
Why does a club with close to 2 mil dollars,miss out on TPJ, Burton, Critchton and at least 5 other players, to sides who finished behind us last year? Who signed the crap second raters and reject Souths players? The whole club needs a cleanout, but who sacks the commitee ?

You lost me at "Roach hinted". If you are basing an argument or question on what Steve Roach "thinks", it has limited merit.

Knows footy 100 times more than the pretenders making decisions at WT. Lee says we have a good roster ??‍♂️

I see zero evidence of that. How did he go coaching lower grades at Tigers & Souffs (answer is concurrent wooden spoons coaching previously successful teams), how many clubs have had him coaching since. The guy seriously has zero clue and worse than that he has a chip on his shoulder because the Tigers refuse to give him a job.

Possibly one of the few guys with less football knowledge than Lee & JP shich makes his playing career all the more remarkable.

He was a front rower. Maybe not a coach but the ticker he played with alone would fix our mob.

 

[mike]

***Roach hinted*** that the problems are just not the coach,and i would like to know if it's the whole management. Seriously, we have gone backwards since our premiership shock win. Losing key players Teddy, Moses, and Woods was massive, but we show no sign of an upward trend.
Does Managment overule Hartigan and or the coach owing to being gun shy after previous bad signings?
Why does a club with close to 2 mil dollars,miss out on TPJ, Burton, Critchton and at least 5 other players, to sides who finished behind us last year? Who signed the crap second raters and reject Souths players? The whole club needs a cleanout, but who sacks the commitee ?

You lost me at "Roach hinted". If you are basing an argument or question on what Steve Roach "thinks", it has limited merit.

Knows footy 100 times more than the pretenders making decisions at WT. Lee says we have a good roster ??‍♂️

Lee is a lawyer, that’s says it all.

I have no gripes with lawyers but him holding up Tommy’s #7 was it for me.

It means he knows little about what makes a good Rugby League roster. Spent all his time going up the Lawyer ranks, which doesn’t leave much time for understanding Rugby League. He’s a fan who gives us money, that’s all.

 

[TigerWest]

***Roach hinted*** that the problems are just not the coach,and i would like to know if it's the whole management. Seriously, we have gone backwards since our premiership shock win. Losing key players Teddy, Moses, and Woods was massive, but we show no sign of an upward trend.
Does Managment overule Hartigan and or the coach owing to being gun shy after previous bad signings?
Why does a club with close to 2 mil dollars,miss out on TPJ, Burton, Critchton and at least 5 other players, to sides who finished behind us last year? Who signed the crap second raters and reject Souths players? The whole club needs a cleanout, but who sacks the commitee ?

You lost me at "Roach hinted". If you are basing an argument or question on what Steve Roach "thinks", it has limited merit.

Knows footy 100 times more than the pretenders making decisions at WT. Lee says we have a good roster ??‍♂️

Lee is a lawyer, that’s says it all.

I have no gripes with lawyers but him holding up Tommy’s #7 was it for me.

It means he knows little about what makes a good Rugby League roster. Spent all his time going up the Lawyer ranks, which doesn’t leave much time for understanding Rugby League. He’s a fan who gives us money, that’s all.

Didn't he also get flicked from some role here? He always seems to have an axe to grind, when he talks about the club?