Tigers Deep Dive of the Week

[TIGERS]

2026 Deep Dive 3. Wests Tigers attack appears uncoordinated and lacks modern shape. Is this the case or is organised chaos the way to break down structure? What the Tigers Are Actually Building​

I’ll be honest—I’ve been sitting on the fence with Benji Marshall…Until now.

Not because I thought he couldn’t coach, but because I wasn’t sure if what we were seeing was the start of something… or just flashes of instinct without a system behind it. There’s been enough over the last couple of years to show he gets footy. You don’t accidentally produce the kind of attacking moments we’ve seen. But equally, it hasn’t clicked consistently—and that’s what’s kept a lot of us (me included) cautious.

That said, I’ve also been banging on for a while now about something that keeps getting dismissed…

This team was never being built around traditional shape. It’s being built around putting options in the right place, at the right time, for playmakers to make decisions. Not robots running to cones. And if you’re still watching us expecting to see Melbourne-style block shapes every second set… you’re going to keep thinking we’re “unstructured.”

The Game Has Changed… But Not Everyone Watching It Has

Here’s where I think a few people are getting left behind.

The benchmark for “good attack” has been set by teams like the Melbourne Storm, Penrith Panthers, and Sydney Roosters. Highly structured. Highly repeatable. Everyone knows their role down to the centimetre.

And it works. Of course it works.

But here’s the bit that doesn’t get talked about enough…Defensive systems are now built to handle that exact style. Slide, number up, trust your inside man, make your decision early.

So if everyone is running structure…What breaks structure?

“They’ve Got No Shape”… Or You’re Looking for the Wrong Thing?

Let’s call it out properly.

The take that “the Tigers have no shape” gets thrown around like it’s a fact.

But what people really mean is:

“I don’t recognise what they’re doing.”

Because yeah—if your definition of shape is:

• Sweep plays out the back
• Block runners every second set
• Halves glued to one side

Then no… we don’t look like that.

Instead you’re seeing:

• Players popping up both sides
• Offloads that don’t look pre-called
• Halves roaming
• Support players arriving late or from weird angles

And it feels messy, uncoached and random.

Except it’s not.

This Isn’t Chaos. It’s Controlled Pressure on the Defence

What we’re actually building is a system based on cues, not choreography. And there’s a big difference.

We’re not asking players to remember: “Run Shape B on tackle 4”

We’re asking them to recognise:

• When the ruck is quick
• When the markers are split
• When the line is staggered
• When defenders are retreating

And then attack that moment. That’s why it looks like chaos.

Because the moment changes every set; but, the method doesn’t.

And Here’s the Bit Many People Are Missing… It Only Works Because Our Defence Has Improved

You don’t get to play this way if your defence is rubbish. Simple as that.

Quietly—and it has been quiet because it’s not sexy—we’re now holding teams to around 17 points a game. That’s a massive shift.

It means:

• We’re in the arm wrestle longer
• We’re getting more ball in better areas
• We’re not constantly trying to attack from our own end

And that’s when this style comes alive.

Because organised chaos doesn’t work when you’re gassed and defending your line.

It works when the opposition is the one under fatigue… trying to reset… trying to get their line straight…and we don’t let them.

Watch for the Triggers, Not the Shape

If you want to understand what we’re doing, stop watching where players line up. Start watching what triggers the play.

You’ll see it pretty quickly:

A fast play-the-ball and suddenly we’re into the line before the markers are set.
An offload and there are bodies pushing through the middle, not standing flat-footed.
A staggered defensive line and we don’t shift for the sake of it—we go through it.

That’s not random. That’s trained.

Look at the Players We’ve Brought In… It’s Not a Coincidence

You don’t accidentally assemble a roster like this.

Apisai Koroisau doesn’t play robotic footy—he hunts moments around the ruck better than almost anyone.

Jarome Luai isn’t a clipboard half—he thrives when things are broken and defenders are guessing.

Terrell May lives off second phase—late footwork, offloads, getting his hands free.

And then you’ve got guys like Latu Fainu coming through who look completely comfortable playing eyes-up footy.

That’s not a mix…that’s a blueprint.

“Yeah But It Looks Clunky”… Of Course It Does

This is the part where people need to be a bit honest. This style is harder; Much harder.

Structure is safe—you know where everyone is supposed to be.

This?

• Requires trust
• Requires instinct
• Requires players seeing the same picture at the same time

When it’s slightly off, it looks terrible.

Support isn’t there → dropped ball.
Offload forced → turnover.
Wrong read → wasted set.

And straight away it’s:

“See? No structure.” No—it’s just not executed well yet.

There’s Also a Bit More Going On Under the Bonnet The improvement in this team isn’t just tactical.

There’s two big drivers:

First—Benji’s man management. Players look like they actually want the ball. They’re backing themselves. That matters in a system like this.

Second—pressure for spots. There’s genuine competition now. You don’t perform, you don’t play.

Now yeah—we’re still carrying some baggage from Tim Sheens handing out Top 30 spots to juniors who weren’t ready. But let’s be fair—that may have been part of building a base when we had nothing. We’re past that now. Spots are getting earned. And trust me - Jock Madden doesn't think he is here to play second fiddle - Benji has challenged him to take AD's position! Twal knows that AD could potentially be displaced and his postion is under pressure - see where it is leading? Bunty - Seyfarth and so on down the line.

We’re Not There Yet… But You Can See It Coming

This isn’t a finished product; but, it’s not aimless either.

As we keep recruiting the right types of players—and more importantly, as combinations build—you’ll see this sharpen up.

The passes stick. The support arrives earlier. The decisions get quicker.

And suddenly what looked like chaos… now is being described as pressure. Constant, relentless pressure.

The Bit That Should Actually Get You Excited

This is bigger than just first grade. If you listened to Logan Brookes on the Wests Tigers Faithful Poddy you would know that this is now through all of the grades.

When we align this across the club—pathways, juniors, NSW Cup—all playing the same style…You’re not teaching it at NRL level.

You’re producing it.

Players come in already understanding:

• Where to be
• What to look for
• How to react

And here’s the kicker…

When the culture shifts—and it already has—you don’t have to overpay juniors to stay.

They’ll want to stay.

Because the system suits them. The club develops them. The identity is clear.

That’s how clubs build sustained success. And yeah… I’ll say it lightly…

That’s how dynasties start.

Laugh if you want—but have a think about it.

So back to Benji Marshall.

I’m off the fence. He’s shown enough now—for me—to say he’s not just an NRL-level coach…he’s thinking about the game differently; maybe even ahead of where a lot of others are.

We saw glimpses of what this looks like when it clicked against the Cowboys. We saw patience and belief in the system against Souths and we showed, even when severely depleted, it worked against the Warriors; who we scoring 40 points a game up until Friday.

Not perfect.

But enough to go: “Alright… there it is.”

So strap in.

Because if this keeps building, it’s going to be a seriously fun ride. And seriously…FFS—stop wishing we played like the Storm or the Roosters.

Understand what we’re actually trying to do. Because Benji Ball; that’s not us catching up.

That's us getting there first.

Great post Pal!!

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

The independent doctor has ordered you off with a HIA mate. You gotta go

Cool name Airport 05.

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

So can anyone answer my question. What happened to the blonde girl in the box.

 

[Jolls]

2026 Deep Dive 4 - Red Zone Attack (Part 1)​

There are a number of people that have been harping on about shape as if it is the solution to all of our problems. Waht has become quite clear to me is that some individuals really don’t understand what shape is. During the live game chat last night there were a few comments that really demonstrated the lack of understanding. So I have done a Deep Dive into “Shape” as a means to hopefully educate some and for others start a conversation on the development path of our Red Zone attack. I have glossed over some of the technical detail; but if there is interest, I would be happy to do a more detailed version.

Wests Tigers Red Zone Attack – A Deep Dive into ‘Shape’​

Shaping the opposition with the ball in hand has been part of rugby league since 1908. It’s not new. What is more recent is how it’s been turned into a system: refined, layered, and constantly evolving.

Which brings us to the word we all hear every five minutes now: “shape.” It’s often used as a catch-all, but rarely explained properly and is misunderstood by many.

The purpose of this deep dive is to look at how we’re attacking in the red zone, how our shape is functioning, and what we need to improve to close out games. To do this we will: look at it historically, then define shape, explain the key types of play, apply it to our attack, assess the AD/Luai halves combination and finally identify areas that require development.

Looking Back to Understand Now​

So let’s look at shape from a historical context first. “Shape” wasn’t always common language in rugby league circles; but, it has existed since 1908. The positioning of the fullback in attack “shapes” the defence, we had the “run at spaces not faces” era, the Lockwood/Pringle flick pass on the line and Parramatta’s infamous wall, just to name a few, before we started to become more technical. We started moving players to make spaces using X and Y lines, then systematic approaches were developed to break down defensive ssytems. These consisted of block plays, set moves, and advanced backline structures. All of this is about shaping the defence so you can take advantage of indecision.

The modern term “shape” became prominent in the 2010s, heavily influenced by structured attacking systems from coaches like Craig Bellamy and Trent Robinson. From there the increased use of video analysis and coaching language filtering into commentary and by the late 2010s, it had become a default catch-all term in commentary and fan discussion. The problem now is that people are conditioned to associating sweeping plays from systems teams that dominated the competition in the late late 20teens.

However, as the attack has evolved so has defence as a result we need to adjust our attacking style. Unfortunately some, including some influential podcasters, are stuck in the 20teens and understand shape to be what they saw in that era. It has changed!

How “shape” is often misunderstood. This is where things go off the rails; some people mistake shape for attack quality or smooth arcs of play and you will hear that “we’ve got no shape.” Usually what’s actually wrong is: poor timing; bad decision-making (wrong options); slow ruck speed, or defensive pressure

The shape is uesually fine; it is the execution that isn’t.

Let’s Move on - What is Shape?​

Shape is how we position players around the ball to influence defenders. Every attacking structure we set is designed to shape the defence and force decisions. At its core, shape is the pre-planned attacking structure of players around the ball, but especially in the defensive line’s “red zone” (20–30m out).

More precisely:

• It’s the alignment, spacing, and roles of players (usually spine + edge forwards/centres) in a set play.
• It defines who runs which line, who is a decoy, and where the ball can go.
• It is typically built around the halves (6 & 7) organising runners on one or both sides of the ruck.

Shape is not the play itself but a framework that creates multiple options off the same picture. Here is a very simple example; where Jahream Bula positions himself shapes the defence. Even if he doesn’t get the ball, his sweep positioning pulls defenders and creates space elsewhere.

There are several types of shape in the modern game. I will not go into them in detail here; however, if there is interest I would be happy to do some X and O stuff down the track. Suffice to say these are some of the terms that are regularly thrown around and what they should mean for us; noting, that every team will have a variation on how this works for them:.

• Block Shape: creates multiple decision points
• Sweep Shape: creates attack width
• Double Block: overloads defenders
• Middle Shape: wins the ruck
• Throwing Shape: manipulates the defence without using it

The Misunderstanding​

Good structure is often mistaken for good attack. Good shape can exist without results if the decision making is not up to speed. What we actually want is controlled chaos: structure plus decision-making that forces a decision 9hopefully the wrong one) on the defence.

​

 

[Jolls]

Our 2026 Red Zone Attack Part 2. AD/Luai - Current Assessment​

We are on the right track; but the uncomfortable truth is that our red-zone “shape” isn’t the problem. Our use of it is.

I will break it down focussed on the dynamics around AD, Romey and Api. This is opinion based; I have no stats to back this up it is just what I see looking at the game, so I am happy to be challenged on it.

What’s working: i.e. why we’re getting into the red zone. Our middle dominance is the catalyst. Api is: running square and direct; engaging markers and the A defenders and creating fast rucks that compress their middles

That does two critical things: it forces the defence onto the back foot which buys time for shape. It also pulls edge defenders in tighter than they probably want to be

The result is that we are earning the right to play shape.

What is feeding our ability to dominate the middle is our defensive resolve. It is the foundation of all that is good. It feeds our attack because we’re not chasing points and we are getting repeat sets in good field position. Therefore, we have more opportunities; ie our red zone attack is opportunity driven not system driven.

What’s not working. Our red-zone shape is breaking down. Luai is asking questions but not finishing them and AD is organising but over structuring.

Luai is naturally a second-layer, eyes-up 6 and is best when he is playing off momentum, hitting sweep lines late and attacking broken defence. What appears to be happening at the moment is that he gets the ball in pre-built shape but instead of committing defenders, squaring up and engaging he’s drifting early which lets the defence slide comfortably

AD is acting as the primary organiser, although last might v Canberra he took more of a back seat so the relationship is clearly evolving. AD has been setting shape early and clearly; and that’s good… until it isn’t.

The issue is that our set up is too slow, too obvious and too early. As a result, the defence numbers up and pre-loads the edge decisions and we end up running shape into a set defence. We’re not manipulating it and this is being masked by AD’s strong ball carry. In short, we are we are showing our hand before the ball is played

We are also running shape, but not threatening inside it. Our shape has lead runners, second layers and sweep options but we aren’t hitting the right runners. Too many reps end in “out the back” or AD running so defenders stop respecting the short ball and our shape collapses into lateral movement.

In addition, we are "throwing shape" without the payoff. We throw shape reasonably well. We set sweeping looks and achieve defensive movement then don’t hit the inside runner or back against the grain to take advantage of the middle reaction. Our halves tend to step back inside and kill the play. We are missing the reason we threw the shape

So what is the fix?​

Our red-zone attack currently looks like (in shape terms): Structure → predictability → lateral finish

What we need to get to is: Structure → manipulation → decisive strike

The Luai/Doueihi dynamic is the crux. This combo can work—but the roles need sharpening (and I think we saw the beginning of this v Canberra in the second half).

What we appear to be moving to is a 6/7 setup. The 7, in function, regardless of number, plays square at the line and owns lead runners, short balls and defensive engagement. The 6, regardless of number, owns the edge, stays and picks moments to sweep late, attack the edges and exploit hesitation. We need to think of the 6 (in role) as less “co-controller” and more “strike weapon”

AD, in particular, needs to take the ball deeper into the line and make decisions after defenders commit. The other improvement we need to make is with Api. At the moment he is the engine; we need him to become more of a trigger and get him attacking around the ruck when we “throw shape”. Right now, he’s sitting at the table but is not always eating.

Performance Assessmant

Platform. Led by Api, we’re generating ruck speed and field position.

Assessment: Pass

Structure. We are setting shape correctly with multiple options available.

Assessment: Pass

Execution We are too slow in our setup so we showing shape our too early and we tend not to, but are getting better at, using inside options. Our biggest shortfall is that AD tends to ignoring defensive reactions as he runs before thinking.

Doueihi / Luai Combination. We’re seeing role flexibility between the halves, which is improving unpredictability and attacking potential. They are starting to switch sides and play a more traditional halves combination but alternating the 6/7 role depending on where the shift is to occur. This provides time and space.

Assessment: Average and improving. Many of the issues are masked by AD’s strong running game; but if we are to be a threat he needs to enable what is around him the same way that his running game has been enabled by others.

So, let’s tie this all together​

We set out to do something pretty simple: cut through the noise around “shape,” understand what it actually means, and take an honest look at how we’re using it in the red zone—so we can work out what needs to improve to help us close out games.

What we’ve found is this:

• Shape isn’t some new buzzword; it’s just how we position ourselves to manipulate defenders
• Every time we set up, we’re shaping the opposition, whether we realise it or not
• Our platform, built off the middle and led by Api, is giving us every chance
• Structurally, we’re not broken; we’re getting into the right shapes, in the right areas
• But in the red zone, we’re too often:
  • Showing our hand early
  • Not threatening enough inside
  • And not taking the option the defence is giving us

We’re essentially doing the hard part, earning the right to attack, but not consistently finishing the job.

The encouraging bit? We’re already starting to evolve. The combination of AD and Romey is beginning to shift, with both players moving across layers and getting one wider in the system. That’s a big step toward becoming less predictable and more dangerous.

So we don’t need to change the system; it’s working. This is about refining our red zone attack: tightening the decisions; committing defenders and playing what’s in front of us to turn the shape we’re building into points. When we achieve that we’re not just competing; we’ll be finishing.

If we keep trending this way…”the future’s so bright we gotta wear shades.”

So what are your thoughts on where we are heading? Love to hear them. Also if you would like me to go deeper into some ot the technicla stuff give me a shout. Cheers n Beers Jolls

 

[bptiger 0]

So can anyone answer my question. What happened to the blonde girl in the box.

I was thinking the same thing last night , maybe they let her go , that’s why benji is on the sideline 🤔

 

[hank37w]

They don't put the camera on the box anymore because the coach is on the sideline but it is a good question whether Kassidy Grant and Simon Dwyer are still on the payroll.

Don't think I have sighted them this season, maybe we could not afford to keep them on because of lack of funding by HBG.

 

[Merlot]

2026 Deep Dive 4 - Red Zone Attack (Part 1)​

There are a number of people that have been harping on about shape as if it is the solution to all of our problems. Waht has become quite clear to me is that some individuals really don’t understand what shape is. During the live game chat last night there were a few comments that really demonstrated the lack of understanding. So I have done a Deep Dive into “Shape” as a means to hopefully educate some and for others start a conversation on the development path of our Red Zone attack. I have glossed over some of the technical detail; but if there is interest, I would be happy to do a more detailed version.

Wests Tigers Red Zone Attack – A Deep Dive into ‘Shape’​

Shaping the opposition with the ball in hand has been part of rugby league since 1908. It’s not new. What is more recent is how it’s been turned into a system: refined, layered, and constantly evolving.

Which brings us to the word we all hear every five minutes now: “shape.” It’s often used as a catch-all, but rarely explained properly and is misunderstood by many.

The purpose of this deep dive is to look at how we’re attacking in the red zone, how our shape is functioning, and what we need to improve to close out games. To do this we will: look at it historically, then define shape, explain the key types of play, apply it to our attack, assess the AD/Luai halves combination and finally identify areas that require development.

Looking Back to Understand Now​

So let’s look at shape from a historical context first. “Shape” wasn’t always common language in rugby league circles; but, it has existed since 1908. The positioning of the fullback in attack “shapes” the defence, we had the “run at spaces not faces” era, the Lockwood/Pringle flick pass on the line and Parramatta’s infamous wall, just to name a few, before we started to become more technical. We started moving players to make spaces using X and Y lines, then systematic approaches were developed to break down defensive ssytems. These consisted of block plays, set moves, and advanced backline structures. All of this is about shaping the defence so you can take advantage of indecision.

The modern term “shape” became prominent in the 2010s, heavily influenced by structured attacking systems from coaches like Craig Bellamy and Trent Robinson. From there the increased use of video analysis and coaching language filtering into commentary and by the late 2010s, it had become a default catch-all term in commentary and fan discussion. The problem now is that people are conditioned to associating sweeping plays from systems teams that dominated the competition in the late late 20teens.

However, as the attack has evolved so has defence as a result we need to adjust our attacking style. Unfortunately some, including some influential podcasters, are stuck in the 20teens and understand shape to be what they saw in that era. It has changed!

How “shape” is often misunderstood. This is where things go off the rails; some people mistake shape for attack quality or smooth arcs of play and you will hear that “we’ve got no shape.” Usually what’s actually wrong is: poor timing; bad decision-making (wrong options); slow ruck speed, or defensive pressure

The shape is uesually fine; it is the execution that isn’t.

Let’s Move on - What is Shape?​

Shape is how we position players around the ball to influence defenders. Every attacking structure we set is designed to shape the defence and force decisions. At its core, shape is the pre-planned attacking structure of players around the ball, but especially in the defensive line’s “red zone” (20–30m out).

More precisely:

• It’s the alignment, spacing, and roles of players (usually spine + edge forwards/centres) in a set play.
• It defines who runs which line, who is a decoy, and where the ball can go.
• It is typically built around the halves (6 & 7) organising runners on one or both sides of the ruck.

Shape is not the play itself but a framework that creates multiple options off the same picture. Here is a very simple example; where Jahream Bula positions himself shapes the defence. Even if he doesn’t get the ball, his sweep positioning pulls defenders and creates space elsewhere.

There are several types of shape in the modern game. I will not go into them in detail here; however, if there is interest I would be happy to do some X and O stuff down the track. Suffice to say these are some of the terms that are regularly thrown around and what they should mean for us; noting, that every team will have a variation on how this works for them:.

• Block Shape: creates multiple decision points
• Sweep Shape: creates attack width
• Double Block: overloads defenders
• Middle Shape: wins the ruck
• Throwing Shape: manipulates the defence without using it

The Misunderstanding​

Good structure is often mistaken for good attack. Good shape can exist without results if the decision making is not up to speed. What we actually want is controlled chaos: structure plus decision-making that forces a decision 9hopefully the wrong one) on the defence.

​

G'day Jolls . I lost my love for league 15 or so years ago , just watch The Tigs now. yet enjoy your knowledge of league immensely ,put me down for a master class of the X and O's
All im seeing in this years team in attack , is they have a structure to get from Ato B but when it go;s pear shape 30 out we seem to do our finest work playing hot potato

 

[TheEnz]

​

Our 2026 Red Zone Attack Part 2. AD/Luai - Current Assessment​

We are on the right track; but the uncomfortable truth is that our red-zone “shape” isn’t the problem. Our use of it is.

I will break it down focussed on the dynamics around AD, Romey and Api. This is opinion based; I have no stats to back this up it is just what I see looking at the game, so I am happy to be challenged on it.

What’s working: i.e. why we’re getting into the red zone. Our middle dominance is the catalyst. Api is: running square and direct; engaging markers and the A defenders and creating fast rucks that compress their middles

That does two critical things: it forces the defence onto the back foot which buys time for shape. It also pulls edge defenders in tighter than they probably want to be

The result is that we are earning the right to play shape.

What is feeding our ability to dominate the middle is our defensive resolve. It is the foundation of all that is good. It feeds our attack because we’re not chasing points and we are getting repeat sets in good field position. Therefore, we have more opportunities; ie our red zone attack is opportunity driven not system driven.

What’s not working. Our red-zone shape is breaking down. Luai is asking questions but not finishing them and AD is organising but over structuring.

Luai is naturally a second-layer, eyes-up 6 and is best when he is playing off momentum, hitting sweep lines late and attacking broken defence. What appears to be happening at the moment is that he gets the ball in pre-built shape but instead of committing defenders, squaring up and engaging he’s drifting early which lets the defence slide comfortably

AD is acting as the primary organiser, although last might v Canberra he took more of a back seat so the relationship is clearly evolving. AD has been setting shape early and clearly; and that’s good… until it isn’t.

The issue is that our set up is too slow, too obvious and too early. As a result, the defence numbers up and pre-loads the edge decisions and we end up running shape into a set defence. We’re not manipulating it and this is being masked by AD’s strong ball carry. In short, we are we are showing our hand before the ball is played

We are also running shape, but not threatening inside it. Our shape has lead runners, second layers and sweep options but we aren’t hitting the right runners. Too many reps end in “out the back” or AD running so defenders stop respecting the short ball and our shape collapses into lateral movement.

In addition, we are "throwing shape" without the payoff. We throw shape reasonably well. We set sweeping looks and achieve defensive movement then don’t hit the inside runner or back against the grain to take advantage of the middle reaction. Our halves tend to step back inside and kill the play. We are missing the reason we threw the shape

So what is the fix?​

Our red-zone attack currently looks like (in shape terms): Structure → predictability → lateral finish

What we need to get to is: Structure → manipulation → decisive strike

The Luai/Doueihi dynamic is the crux. This combo can work—but the roles need sharpening (and I think we saw the beginning of this v Canberra in the second half).

What we appear to be moving to is a 6/7 setup. The 7, in function, regardless of number, plays square at the line and owns lead runners, short balls and defensive engagement. The 6, regardless of number, owns the edge, stays and picks moments to sweep late, attack the edges and exploit hesitation. We need to think of the 6 (in role) as less “co-controller” and more “strike weapon”

AD, in particular, needs to take the ball deeper into the line and make decisions after defenders commit. The other improvement we need to make is with Api. At the moment he is the engine; we need him to become more of a trigger and get him attacking around the ruck when we “throw shape”. Right now, he’s sitting at the table but is not always eating.

Performance Assessmant

Platform. Led by Api, we’re generating ruck speed and field position.

Assessment: Pass

Structure. We are setting shape correctly with multiple options available.

Assessment: Pass

Execution We are too slow in our setup so we showing shape our too early and we tend not to, but are getting better at, using inside options. Our biggest shortfall is that AD tends to ignoring defensive reactions as he runs before thinking.

Doueihi / Luai Combination. We’re seeing role flexibility between the halves, which is improving unpredictability and attacking potential. They are starting to switch sides and play a more traditional halves combination but alternating the 6/7 role depending on where the shift is to occur. This provides time and space.

Assessment: Average and improving. Many of the issues are masked by AD’s strong running game; but if we are to be a threat he needs to enable what is around him the same way that his running game has been enabled by others.

So, let’s tie this all together​

We set out to do something pretty simple: cut through the noise around “shape,” understand what it actually means, and take an honest look at how we’re using it in the red zone—so we can work out what needs to improve to help us close out games.

What we’ve found is this:

• Shape isn’t some new buzzword; it’s just how we position ourselves to manipulate defenders
• Every time we set up, we’re shaping the opposition, whether we realise it or not
• Our platform, built off the middle and led by Api, is giving us every chance
• Structurally, we’re not broken; we’re getting into the right shapes, in the right areas
• But in the red zone, we’re too often:
  • Showing our hand early
  • Not threatening enough inside
  • And not taking the option the defence is giving us

We’re essentially doing the hard part, earning the right to attack, but not consistently finishing the job.

The encouraging bit? We’re already starting to evolve. The combination of AD and Romey is beginning to shift, with both players moving across layers and getting one wider in the system. That’s a big step toward becoming less predictable and more dangerous.

So we don’t need to change the system; it’s working. This is about refining our red zone attack: tightening the decisions; committing defenders and playing what’s in front of us to turn the shape we’re building into points. When we achieve that we’re not just competing; we’ll be finishing.

If we keep trending this way…”the future’s so bright we gotta wear shades.”

So what are your thoughts on where we are heading? Love to hear them. Also if you would like me to go deeper into some ot the technicla stuff give me a shout. Cheers n Beers Jolls

Thanks for the great insight Jolls. What are your thoughts on the Luai jinking around and running sideways. I have been watching it for some time and it seems to only happen when the play breaks down and we hit a defensive wall. Do you see any benefit in him stepping back or running sideways and passing to another flat footed player? I get the feeling that it is a bit of a ploy to try and pull in defenders to create space or to keep them in two minds as to what he is going to do on subsequent plays. It does sort of kill any momentum and to me it seems the rest of our team dont know what to do when he does this. I know people on this forum absolutely hate it, however I'm not sure it cannot be taken advantage of. He did it at Penrith as well and they were able to take advantage.

 

[Jolls]

Thanks for the great insight Jolls. What are your thoughts on the Luai jinking around and running sideways. I have been watching it for some time and it seems to only happen when the play breaks down and we hit a defensive wall. Do you see any benefit in him stepping back or running sideways and passing to another flat footed player? I get the feeling that it is a bit of a ploy to try and pull in defenders to create space or to keep them in two minds as to what he is going to do on subsequent plays. It does sort of kill any momentum and to me it seems the rest of our team dont know what to do when he does this. I know people on this forum absolutely hate it, however I'm not sure it cannot be taken advantage of. He did it at Penrith as well and they were able to take advantage.

When he does that it allows the defence time and we get a lttle lateral. The cause, in my view, is either defensive up and in pressure due to lack of depth/time. What he is doing is looking for opportunites - but we aren't presenting them for him in the bigger picture. I hit on it in the assesmant piece - I don't think we provide enough inside options - if the outside option is blocked where can he go.

Our attack coach should be looking at it as a cue to bring someone back against the grain, or better still provide him with a layered inside/outside option. Secondary roles for other players once their primary assignment has been shut down.

Our plan has obviously been thwarted - so it is what we do next that is the key. A kick needs a chaser, a runner needs a cue etc. The alternate is to take it to ground and set for the next opportunity. I'm not to worried about it. I think that our attacking problems in the red zone are decision based and fixable with time and reps.

 

[TheEnz]

When he does that it allows the defence time and we get a lttle lateral. The cause, in my view, is either defensive up and in pressure due to lack of depth/time. What he is doing is looking for opportunites - but we aren't presenting them for him in the bigger picture. I hit on it in the assesmant piece - I don't think we provide enough inside options - if the outside option is blocked where can he go.

Our attack coach should be looking at it as a cue to bring someone back against the grain, or better still provide him with a layered inside/outside option. Secondary roles for other players once their primary assignment has been shut down.

Our plan has obviously been thwarted - so it is what we do next that is the key. A kick needs a chaser, a runner needs a cue etc. The alternate is to take it to ground and set for the next opportunity. I'm not to worried about it. I think that our attacking problems in the red zone are decision based and fixable with time and reps.

I agree, its crazy that we have not been able to exploit it, or at least try to exploit it, he does tend to be able to get away from multiple defenders and their whole defensive line is flat footed. This is where Samuela coming back against the grain and potentially offloading to a support player might just work. Even that play were Api kicked for luke to score our first try is another option that Luai should be exploiting. Api shanked it and it was a miracle bounce for Luke, however im sure if it is planned it will be higher percentage.

 

[innsaneink]

The issue is that our set up is too slow, too obvious and too early.

Thia has been.obvious to me without being able to.put it into words

 

[Jolls]

I agree, its crazy that we have not been able to exploit it, or at least try to exploit it, he does tend to be able to get away from multiple defenders and their whole defensive line is flat footed. This is where Samuela coming back against the grain and potentially offloading to a support player might just work. Even that play were Api kicked for luke to score our first try is another option that Luai should be exploiting. Api shanked it and it was a miracle bounce for Luke, however im sure if it is planned it will be higher percentage.

It depends on what play we are trying to execute at the time. If it is a block and Sam F is commited to that line already he has probably missed the cue. Kikau and Luai had a bit of sense but not usualy when he was bouncing around. I would think one of the middles could be an inside runner and potentially Taylan doing a revers wrap back agaisnt the grain would work. The key to second phase play is the cue because they need to drop their assignment to get there.

The other one that springs to mind is Bula - if he isn't executing a sweep and was going to support Sam once that has been shut down he could change his line back into the middle. All speculation bud it comes with time and reps. The first step is identifying the issue.

I think they picked up on the width/depth/time issue v the Donkeys and although they played a rotating 6/7 in a more traditonal half/5/8 setup they executed it better and more often against the Faders.

 

[TheEnz]

It depends on what play we are trying to execute at the time. If it is a block and Sam F is commited to that line already he has probably missed the cue. Kikau and Luai had a bit of sense but not usualy when he was bouncing around. I would think one of the middles could be an inside runner and potentially Taylan doing a revers wrap back agaisnt the grain would work. The key to second phase play is the cue because they need to drop their assignment to get there.

The other one that springs to mind is Bula - if he isn't executing a sweep and was going to support Sam once that has been shut down he could change his line back into the middle. All speculation bud it comes with time and reps. The first step is identifying the issue.

I think they picked up on the width/depth/time issue v the Donkeys and although they played a rotating 6/7 in a more traditonal half/5/8 setup they executed it better and more often against the Faders.

like i just mentioned in another chat.....i don't mind the fact our attack seems to be evolving and there is significant room for improvement. It just means teams are not able to plan defenses around a predictable playing style.

 

[Jolls]

like i just mentioned in another chat.....i don't mind the fact our attack seems to be evolving and there is significant room for improvement. It just means teams are not able to plan defenses around a predictable playing style.

Too right - but I think we are probably seeing the next evolution of the game. Structure v structure = grinding non-entertaining footy. There will be teams taking note of what Benji has us doing - we are not even close to the finished product but where we are going is clear. We, the unwashed, need to have some faith in the system and look for the subtle improvements. We don't need to have the answers yet - but do need to have it well and truly bedded down by September!

 

[Mccarry]

Jolls, what is your view on Luai engaging the inside defenders last night. I noticed it twice (AD try and Samuela miracle offload) but will need to watch it back with a lower heart rate.

 

[Airport05]

It depends on what play we are trying to execute at the time. If it is a block and Sam F is commited to that line already he has probably missed the cue. Kikau and Luai had a bit of sense but not usualy when he was bouncing around. I would think one of the middles could be an inside runner and potentially Taylan doing a revers wrap back agaisnt the grain would work. The key to second phase play is the cue because they need to drop their assignment to get there.

The other one that springs to mind is Bula - if he isn't executing a sweep and was going to support Sam once that has been shut down he could change his line back into the middle. All speculation bud it comes with time and reps. The first step is identifying the issue.

I think they picked up on the width/depth/time issue v the Donkeys and although they played a rotating 6/7 in a more traditonal half/5/8 setup they executed it better and more often against the Faders.

Jolls, on the Luai jinking thing, I've noticed he rarely engages the line himself when he's doing this and is always looking for someone to offload to. Watching him last night, there were a couple of times where I thought he should try to poke his head through himself because like me, the defence seems to be conditioned to him looking for the offload, so he'd probably make a break or at least be a good chance of attracting a penalty from someone clipping him high.

I dunno, just an observation. Obviously, it'd be great to get to a point where we have guys running options when he does this. But do you reckon there's room in his game to just take the line on himself a bit more? He's got pretty sublime footwork.

 

[Jolls]

Jolls, what is your view on Luai engaging the inside defenders last night. I noticed it twice (AD try and Samuela miracle offload) but will need to watch it back with a lower heart rate.

Thats exactly what he needs to do when they do the 6/7 swap - straighten the attack and dig into the line. I trust it will keep developing the more time they have together.

 

[Jolls]

Jolls, on the Luai jinking thing, I've noticed he rarely engages the line himself when he's doing this and is always looking for someone to offload to. Watching him last night, there were a couple of times where I thought he should try to poke his head through himself because like me, the defence seems to be conditioned to him looking for the offload, so he'd probably make a break or at least be a good chance of attracting a penalty from someone clipping him high.

I dunno, just an observation. Obviously, it'd be great to get to a point where we have guys running options when he does this. But do you reckon there's room in his game to just take the line on himself a bit more? He's got pretty sublime footwork.

I think if he sees an opportunity he will go - but you're right he skips around when the play has been thwarted but 100% it woudl be great for him to pin his ears at imes and keep them guessing.

 

[Rock Hopper Steve]

I think if he sees an opportunity he will go - but you're right he skips around when the play has been thwarted but 100% it woudl be great for him to pin his ears at imes and keep them guessing.

Pleasing to see the improvement digging into the line providing depth at times from both halves Jolls, their ears must of been burning lol.

Still some work to do, don't want to see those dead end runs, very frustrating to watch.