Tigers Deep Dive of the Week

Is there interest in doing a weekly "Deep Dive" to promote focussed discussion between games?

  • Yes, I would be happy develop a topic or two to get the ball rolling

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    Votes: 7 33.3%
  • I am not likely to contribute; however, I would be interested in learning from the discussion

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    Votes: 3 14.3%

  • Total voters
    21
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Great insight, never played footy but can easily understand that so thank you. Would you say Luai has a gravity that could be exploited. In the NBA Steph curry often gets double teamed leaving other players to be open and opportunities to arise, and I feel at times Luai has all these defenders eyes on him and they rush up instantly maybe he could unlock a new level to our attack with defenders rushing to move out of the line to shut him down. I know he often grubbers there but reckon if we run more plays like Doueihi’s second try we could be golden

Went on many tangents here cause I’m overtired so let me know what needs clarifying or where I lack sense
 

2026 Deep Dive 5. When the Wheels Came Off; Is it a Season Defining Event?​

PART 1. Yesterday hurt

Not just because we got beaten badly by the Sharks. Not just because the scoreboard blew out in the second half. It hurt because, for the first time this season, our system was properly stress-tested, and it broke.

That matters.

Up until now there has been genuine momentum around this side. There has been growth. There has been a sense that something more solid is being built. We had a team beginning to understand itself, beginning to trust its habits, beginning to look like it belongs in the fight.

Heavy losses always sting, but some losses make you ask bigger questions.

And this is where we have to ask the question: Was this loss season defining or can we recover?

This analysis is not about overreacting to one ugly afternoon, nor is it about hunting for scapegoats. It is about working out what actually happened. Where did the game get away from us? Was it simply a poor day with ball in hand?

Or did we get a look at something deeper?

What happens to this side when control disappears, momentum turns, and key organising voices come off the field?

So rather than just reading the scoreline, we need to pull the game apart. We need to look at the middle, the ruck, the right edge, the effect of AD's injury, the absence of Api, and the way possession and defensive fatigue fed into each other. If we do that properly, we can answer the real question; was this a bad loss, or was it a revealing one?

The scoreboard didn’t tell the whole story​

At halftime it was 18–10.

That is an important starting point, because it tells us this was not a game where we were blown off the park from the opening whistle. There was a contest and we were well and truly in it.

Then came the second half. Thirty-four unanswered points.

That kind of blowout naturally draws attention to the finish. But if we only look at the finish, we miss how the game actually got there. The second-half collapse was not one dramatic moment. It was a gradual loss of control. It was of possession slipping away, defensive workload climbing, field position worsening, and the Sharks getting increasingly comfortable playing the game on their terms.

So where did the wheels come off?​

The first crack started at hooker. Before we get to the right edge - and we do need to get there - we have to start in the middle.

Let me be up front: Tristan Hope was not the reason we lost. That needs to be said clearly. His effort was considerable. Fifty-eight tackles tells its own story. That is a heavy defensive workload for hooker. He worked hard, he competed, and he did his job.

But the absence of Api mattered.

Api gives us something that does not always jump off the page. He gives us tempo. He gives us rhythm. He gives us the ability to regulate momentum when a game starts getting away from us.

He knows when to speed things up and when to settle them down. He knows when to play short, when to tighten the middle, when to get us through the next three tackles, and when to put the ball in a better place. He is a thermostat and without him, we looked more reactive than controlling.

That does not mean Hope played poorly. He started OK and we had momentum - but his role changed as the game changed. Instead of directing the rhythm of the game, he increasingly got dragged into surviving it. And once our hooker is making that many tackles, energy gets pulled into defence. Service becomes more functional. Attacking shape loses subtlety. The team starts playing half a step behind.

Api may have had the ability to simplify the middle - Hope simply lacks the experience - and unfortunatley you only get to learn it the hard way. This should be a defining game for him if he looks at it with the right frame of mind.

Then Doueihi went off - and the right side changed with him​

Doueihi’s early exit mattered for more than the obvious. He had already scored. He was involved. He was helping organise shape. More importantly, he was one of the voices helping settle the side.

When he left, we did not just lose a player. We lost one of the pieces that helped connect the spine to the edge. That is a bigger deal than it looked in the moment.

Edges run on information; who folds, who slides, where numbers are, where the ball finishes, who talks first. When AD dissapeared, mid game, that communication chain changed. Probably only by a fraction but at NRL speed, fractions matter.

That is especially important when you trying to solve pictures under pressure.

Why the right edge came under fire​

A lot of attention has gone to Tavana and To'a. Fair enough too. The errors were visible. They stood out. The structural context still matters, but we also need to be honest about the individual performances. Both Tavana and To’a were below par.

That does not mean they were solely responsible for the result. By the time a winger is under heavy pressure, several things have probably already gone wrong earlier in the set. But when the pressure arrived, the right edge did not handle it well enough.

Once we started losing ruck control, our yardage exits became harder. Carries began deeper in our own half. Kick-chase arrived earlier. Defensive lines were already connected. Support runners were less organised. That means a winger is no longer taking a comfortable early-set carry. He is taking a pressure carry.

That changes everything.

A carry that looks routine on paper suddenly becomes contested. A split-second hesitation becomes a handling error. A slightly late support runner becomes a collision. What looks like individual failure is more likely the visible end-point of structural pressure. That does not excuse what happened. It just explains why the right edge came under such sustained heat.

To’a’s role was bigger than it looked​

To’a had a difficult afternoon and it is clear that he has not come back from the shoulder injury as well as we would have hoped. The biggest concern for me is his first contact (or lack of it). That first collision matters enormously for a centre. It sets the tone for the rest of the defensive decision. It helps stop momentum at source. It gives the winger outside him a cleaner picture. Right now that part of his game does not look to be where it needs to be.

To'a was not just marking his opposite number. He was reading inside numbers. He was deciding whether to hold or jam. He was talking to Tavana. He was there to help solve overlaps. He was making split-second decisions about whether the picture in front of him was real or shape. When Doueihi left, that cognitive load almost certainly increased and even though I'm sure he and Jock have had reps together it really fell apart.

And once the middle started losing rhythm, those decisions had to be made more often, under more fatigue, with worse field position, and he failed to adjust. The decison making became worse and the timing drifted - the result - an ineffective edge.

A slide is executed too late. A jam comes a fraction early. A winger holds when he should go. A centre goes when he should hold. We saw it unfold - no need to go deeper. They are tiny moments, but against a quality side they became points.

For To’a, the best thing right now is to step back rather than push through. Some time in Cup may allow him to rebuild confidence, sharpen first contact, and work through the defensive parts of his game without the weekly pressure of first grade. However, the reality may be on the wall - he is no longer up to the contact and should be looked at for medical retirement.

The real second-half problem was not errors — it was defensive fatigue​

This is the bit that ties the whole thing together. We made 427 tackles. That is a big number. And it tells us something important. Once possession tilted, the Sharks got to dictate the game. They got repeat pressure. They got field position. They got time.

From there the cycle became familiar.

An error leads to a short defensive turnaround. That leads to extra tackles. That softens line speed. That makes yardage harder. That creates more pressure. That leads to another error.

That was the game in the second half.

By the middle of the second half, it did not feel like we had quit. It felt like we were being asked to solve increasingly bad situations under mounting fatigue.

 
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Part 2 So where did it really go wrong?​

For me, the turning point was not the first right-edge mistake. It was the moment we stopped winning neutral sets. Once we stopped getting through sets cleanly, the Sharks started playing downhill. Once they started playing downhill, the middle got stretched. Once the middle got stretched, the right edge got exposed. That is the sequence that defeated us.

This is why I don't think it was simply a story about Tavana having a bad day on the wing. It was a story about how quickly a whole side lost shape when ruck control, possession and edge communication all started to slip together.

The next month matters​

The injuries and suspensions now matter because the system has been stress-tested and broke. That means the next month becomes less about finding replacements and more about stabilising the team by ensuring the system is enabled.

Benji does not need to reinvent the side. He needs to simplify the execution to cater for the lesser experienced players we have now in key positions. Over the next month, the most important thing he can do is reduce cognitive load.

I expect Benji will simplify the game plan to reduce the cognitive load and focus on what makes the system work.

We need cleaner exits; we need clearer roles; we need shorter decision chains; we need to make sure every player knows exactly what their responsibilities are in every set.

That starts in the middle. The dummy-half rotation has to become about control first. Set starts need to be disciplined. The first three tackles need to be clean. Kicking games need to find grass. The side has to get back to playing from the right end of the field.

Then comes the outside-back reshuffle. For me, the right call over the next month is to make a change.

With Doueihi unavailable and suspensions testing depth, now is the time to simplify the edges and lean on players who can give us a steady platform. I would bring Herbert into right centre and move Makasini onto the left wing. That would allow Tavana and To’a to return Cup, where both can work on confidence and specific deficiencies in their games. That is not punishment; it's development and rehabilitation.

Tavana needs to develop his yardage carries, refine his defensive aerial contests and composure under pressure. To’a needs to rebuild confidence in order to restore his first contact.

Luke Laulilii shifts across from the left to the right wing, or to fullback so Taruva can shift back into his more effective position. That gives us a cleaner balance across both edges.

It also creates something important — stability. That is what this next month should be about.
Not asking one replacement to become the player who is missing. Not expecting young players to solve structural problems on their own. Instead, tightening the whole machine around them.

That is how confidence comes back.

Was this season-defining?​

Not yet; at the moment it is season-revealing. That is the distinction. We got to see what happens when key organising voices disappear and momentum turns hard against us. We learned that our system gets stretched. We learned that our right edge can become overloaded. We learned that when ruck control disappears, possession and defensive fatigue can snowball very quickly.

That is valuable knowledge; if we respond to it properly.

What we should take from it​

What we saw yesterday was not one bad winger, one bad edge, or one player letting us down. We saw how interconnected everything is. We saw how the absence of Api changed the rhythm of the middle.
We saw how Doueihi’s injury affected communication and shape. We saw how errors became more costly because the team was already under structural pressure. And we saw how quickly the game can turn when possession gets away from us.

The outlook​

The next month is about resilience. Benji needs to keep it simple, Luai and Jock need to stabilise and mentor the spine and our middle needs to dominate. Collectively, we need to become harder to knock out of our shape when adversity hits.

That is the challenge. And if we meet it, this loss not be remembered as when the season slipped away. It will be remembered as the day we found out what still needed building, tightened the right areas, and came out of it stronger.
 
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Part 2 So where did it really go wrong?​

For me, the turning point was not the first right-edge mistake. It was the moment we stopped winning neutral sets. Once we stopped getting through sets cleanly, the Sharks started playing downhill. Once they started playing downhill, the middle got stretched. Once the middle got stretched, the right edge got exposed. That is the sequence that defeated us.

This is why I don't think it was simply a story about Tavana having a bad day on the wing. It was a story about how quickly a whole side lost shape when ruck control, possession and edge communication all started to slip together.

The next month matters​

The injuries and suspensions now matter because the system has been stress-tested and broke. That means the next month becomes less about finding replacements and more about stabilising the team by ensuring the system is enabled.

Benji does not need to reinvent the side. He needs to simplify the execution to cater for the lesser expereinced players we have now in key positions. Over the next month, the most important thing he can do is reduce cognitive load.

I expect Benji will simolify the game plan to reduce the cognitive load and focus on what makes the system work.

We need cleaner exits; we need clearer roles; we need shorter decision chains; we need to make sure every player knows exactly what their responsibilities are in every set.

That starts in the middle. The dummy-half rotation has to become about control first. Set starts need to be disciplined. The first three tackles need to be clean. Kicking games need to find grass. The side has to get back to playing from the right end of the field.

Then comes the outside-back reshuffle. For me, the right call over the next month is to make a change.

With Doueihi unavailable and suspensions testing depth, now is the time to simplify the edges and lean on players who can give us a steady platform. I would bring Herbert into right centre and move Makasini onto the left wing. That would allow Tavana and To’a to return Cup, where both can work on confidence and specific deficiencies in their games. That is not punishment; it's development and rehabilitation.

Tavana needs to develop his yardage carries, refine his defensive aerial contests and composure under pressure. To’a needs to rebuild confidence in order to restore his first contact.

Luke Laulilii shifts across from the left to the right wing, or to fullback so Taruva can shift back into his more effective position. That gives us a cleaner balance across both edges.

It also creates something important — stability. That is what this next month should be about.
Not asking one replacement to become the player who is missing. Not expecting young players to solve structural problems on their own. Instead, tightening the whole machine around them.

That is how confidence comes back.

Was this season-defining?​

Not yet; at the moment it is season-revealing. That is the distinction. We got to see what happens when key organising voices disappear and momentum turns hard against us. We learned that our system gets stretched. We learned that our right edge can become overloaded. We learned that when ruck control disappears, possession and defensive fatigue can snowball very quickly.

That is valuable knowledge; if we respond to it properly.

What we should take from it​

What we saw yesterday was not one bad winger, one bad edge, or one player letting us down. We saw how interconnected everything is. We saw how the absence of Api changed the rhythm of the middle.
We saw how Doueihi’s injury affected communication and shape. We saw how errors became more costly because the team was already under structural pressure. And we saw how quickly the game can turn when possession gets away from us.

The outlook​

The next month is about resilience. Benji needs to keep it simple, Luai and Jock need to stabilise and mentor the spine and our middle needs to dominate. Collectively, we need to become harder to knock out of our shape when adversity hits.

That is the challenge. And if we meet it, this loss not be remembered as when the season slipped away. It will be remembered as the day we found out what still needed building, tightened the right areas, and came out of it stronger.
Thoughts on what we can do with fullback Jolls? Think the Bula loss is underestimated. I love Turuva but we look much less of an attacking threat with him at the back. Turuva's yardage game also loses its edge due to the extra burden he carries in attack and our opposition all of a sudden have 3 genuine targets for high kicks. Bula's communication and organisation has been outstanding to start the year too.

Combine the loss of Api, Doueihi and Bula you are down probably our 3 smartest players and best leaders/organisers.

In saying all of that, Turuva is probably our only option. Lauli'li looks to finally be playing with a bit of confidence and finding a home on the wing, but I wonder if there was scope for him to fill in at FB when attacking the line? Attard and Brookes ineligible but not ready anyway.
 
Thoughts on what we can do with fullback Jolls? Think the Bula loss is underestimated. I love Turuva but we look much less of an attacking threat with him at the back. Turuva's yardage game also loses its edge due to the extra burden he carries in attack and our opposition all of a sudden have 3 genuine targets for high kicks. Bula's communication and organisation has been outstanding to start the year too.

Combine the loss of Api, Doueihi and Bula you are down probably our 3 smartest players and best leaders/organisers.

In saying all of that, Turuva is probably our only option. Lauli'li looks to finally be playing with a bit of confidence and finding a home on the wing, but I wonder if there was scope for him to fill in at FB when attacking the line? Attard and Brookes ineligible but not ready anyway.

I had that as part of the shift I think we need to make - it is either Taruva or LL to replace Tavana on the wing with the other at Fullback. Makasini back outside of May on the wing and Herbert in for Toa to strengthen the defence on that edge is the other changes to be made if I had the clip board.

Our biggest structural deficiency at the moment is fullback as we have pretty good cover elsewhere. I haven't seen too much of LL as fullback - but the decsion should be who provides our best option four overall defensive point of view. Either runs the ball hard and there isn't too mcuh difference between LL and Tito on the wing or fullback in realtion to size or yardage out of our end.

Probably a question @jrtiger, @poopy_diaper, @Vicious or @BlackWhiteGold could answer in realtion to LL's fullback prowess.
 

Part 2 So where did it really go wrong?​

For me, the turning point was not the first right-edge mistake. It was the moment we stopped winning neutral sets. Once we stopped getting through sets cleanly, the Sharks started playing downhill. Once they started playing downhill, the middle got stretched. Once the middle got stretched, the right edge got exposed. That is the sequence that defeated us.

This is why I don't think it was simply a story about Tavana having a bad day on the wing. It was a story about how quickly a whole side lost shape when ruck control, possession and edge communication all started to slip together.

The next month matters​

The injuries and suspensions now matter because the system has been stress-tested and broke. That means the next month becomes less about finding replacements and more about stabilising the team by ensuring the system is enabled.

Benji does not need to reinvent the side. He needs to simplify the execution to cater for the lesser experienced players we have now in key positions. Over the next month, the most important thing he can do is reduce cognitive load.

I expect Benji will simplify the game plan to reduce the cognitive load and focus on what makes the system work.

We need cleaner exits; we need clearer roles; we need shorter decision chains; we need to make sure every player knows exactly what their responsibilities are in every set.

That starts in the middle. The dummy-half rotation has to become about control first. Set starts need to be disciplined. The first three tackles need to be clean. Kicking games need to find grass. The side has to get back to playing from the right end of the field.

Then comes the outside-back reshuffle. For me, the right call over the next month is to make a change.

With Doueihi unavailable and suspensions testing depth, now is the time to simplify the edges and lean on players who can give us a steady platform. I would bring Herbert into right centre and move Makasini onto the left wing. That would allow Tavana and To’a to return Cup, where both can work on confidence and specific deficiencies in their games. That is not punishment; it's development and rehabilitation.

Tavana needs to develop his yardage carries, refine his defensive aerial contests and composure under pressure. To’a needs to rebuild confidence in order to restore his first contact.

Luke Laulilii shifts across from the left to the right wing, or to fullback so Taruva can shift back into his more effective position. That gives us a cleaner balance across both edges.

It also creates something important — stability. That is what this next month should be about.
Not asking one replacement to become the player who is missing. Not expecting young players to solve structural problems on their own. Instead, tightening the whole machine around them.

That is how confidence comes back.

Was this season-defining?​

Not yet; at the moment it is season-revealing. That is the distinction. We got to see what happens when key organising voices disappear and momentum turns hard against us. We learned that our system gets stretched. We learned that our right edge can become overloaded. We learned that when ruck control disappears, possession and defensive fatigue can snowball very quickly.

That is valuable knowledge; if we respond to it properly.

What we should take from it​

What we saw yesterday was not one bad winger, one bad edge, or one player letting us down. We saw how interconnected everything is. We saw how the absence of Api changed the rhythm of the middle.
We saw how Doueihi’s injury affected communication and shape. We saw how errors became more costly because the team was already under structural pressure. And we saw how quickly the game can turn when possession gets away from us.

The outlook​

The next month is about resilience. Benji needs to keep it simple, Luai and Jock need to stabilise and mentor the spine and our middle needs to dominate. Collectively, we need to become harder to knock out of our shape when adversity hits.

That is the challenge. And if we meet it, this loss not be remembered as when the season slipped away. It will be remembered as the day we found out what still needed building, tightened the right areas, and came out of it stronger.
This was a great breakdown of the game or shame as some may see it as.
Thank you for all the effort you have put into this, it was a very interesting post & I am sure it willl be appreciated by the forum folk.
 
Good analysis, I agree about Hope, I can't understand the bagging he is copping from some people. I thought he did his job well, considering the circumstances.

I know this is obvious and maybe a little simple but I do think more needs to be made of 38% game possesion and the 25% possession for the second half, this must have huge impact on a teams defence, so lets hope that if we fix that, the we can aim up in defence.

If not, we know we have real problems.

That winger had a very very bad game, his errors were in crucial areas, he wasnt the only one though. Not sure why he played?
 
Good analysis, I agree about Hope, I can't understand the bagging he is copping from some people. I thought he did his job well, considering the circumstances.

I know this is obvious and maybe a little simple but I do think more needs to be made of 38% game possesion and the 25% possession for the second half, this must have huge impact on a teams defence, so lets hope that if we fix that, the we can aim up in defence.

If not, we know we have real problems.

That winger had a very very bad game, his errors were in crucial areas, he wasnt the only one though. Not sure why he played?
I looked at posession as the other side of the coin to defence. Those stats a reflect the amount of defence we had to do - and I focussed on that because the energy drain came for the excessive defence. Tino had a Barry Crocker on the wing but I think a lot of his bad reads resulted from decsion/indecision from To'a.

Overall the game slipped away from us from a couple of errors on that edge and the Sharks just kept going back there creating more fatigue and more errors etc. Both Toa and Tino need to go back to cup but for different reasons. Tino is young and developing, Toa is damaged goods at the moment and needs to get some confidence back - on both sides of the pill - either that or the injry is such that he probably needs to go.
 
I looked at posession as the other side of the coin to defence. Those stats a reflect the amount of defence we had to do - and I focussed on that because the energy drain came for the excessive defence. Tino had a Barry Crocker on the wing but I think a lot of his bad reads resulted from decsion/indecision from To'a.

Overall the game slipped away from us from a couple of errors on that edge and the Sharks just kept going back there creating more fatigue and more errors etc. Both Toa and Tino need to go back to cup but for different reasons. Tino is young and developing, Toa is damaged goods at the moment and needs to get some confidence back - on both sides of the pill - either that or the injry is such that he probably needs to go.
Benji needs to take off his loyalty hat and drop both of them, Toa's defense was just woeful.

Is it the shoulder injury that can't be fixed or did he just give up, I really don't know or care, back to reserve grade and stay there until he learns how to defend.
 
Benji needs to take off his loyalty hat and drop both of them, Toa's defense was just woeful.

Is it the shoulder injury that can't be fixed or did he just give up, I really don't know or care, back to reserve grade and stay there until he learns how to defend.
whilst I dont think Herbert is much of an upgrade on Toa, he does at least put in an effort, Toa seems like he is just making up numbers out there. We have a bit of depth in the wingers so I would be tempted to move Turuva back to right centre. He is better on the wing, however he is also a better centre than both Herbert and Toa.
 
As always Jolls, I appreciate your analysis and nuance, but for me yesterday was very simple in terms of why we lost and for that reason I'm almost more at peace with it than the two close ones we lost before yesterday. We lost yesterday's game because we repeatedly made mistakes with the ball in hand in the second half and as a result put ourselves under an insurmountable amount of defensive pressure and fatigue. I don't think any team in the NRL could've withstood the sheer volume of attack we had to endure up our own end, Panthers included. That's why I was so surprised by Benji's comments in the presser about our defence not being up to standard. Yes, it's true, it wasn't, and certain individuals need to be called out, but it's also unrealistic to expect it to be when that's all you're doing for 40 minutes. Our ball handling wasn't up to standard, and that's what lost us the game. If those balls weren't dropped, I think we get into the grind, go set for set in the ruck, and either come away with a close win or a close loss. In fact, even though we went into the sheds behind on the scoreboard at half-time, and even though we were missing a mountain of influential players, I thought we were far and away the more dangerous looking team at that stage. As it turned out, we pretty much played the entire Sharks squad into form by giving them so many attacking opportunities.

None of this is to say you're wrong - you're not - but I think the takeaway is glaringly simple: don't drop the [This word has been automatically removed]ing ball so much if you want to give yourself any chance of winning in 2026.
 
As always Jolls, I appreciate your analysis and nuance, but for me yesterday was very simple in terms of why we lost and for that reason I'm almost more at peace with it than the two close ones we lost before yesterday. We lost yesterday's game because we repeatedly made mistakes with the ball in hand in the second half and as a result put ourselves under an insurmountable amount of defensive pressure and fatigue. I don't think any team in the NRL could've withstood the sheer volume of attack we had to endure up our own end, Panthers included. That's why I was so surprised by Benji's comments in the presser about our defence not being up to standard. Yes, it's true, it wasn't, and certain individuals need to be called out, but it's also unrealistic to expect it to be when that's all you're doing for 40 minutes. Our ball handling wasn't up to standard, and that's what lost us the game. If those balls weren't dropped, I think we get into the grind, go set for set in the ruck, and either come away with a close win or a close loss. In fact, even though we went into the sheds behind on the scoreboard at half-time, and even though we were missing a mountain of influential players, I thought we were far and away the more dangerous looking team at that stage. As it turned out, we pretty much played the entire Sharks squad into form by giving them so many attacking opportunities.

None of this is to say you're wrong - you're not - but I think the takeaway is glaringly simple: don't drop the [This word has been automatically removed]ing ball so much if you want to give yourself any chance of winning in 2026.
They were rolling through us in the first half as well, they were getting field position and able to put up those attacking kicks that put our winger and FB under pressure. Their end of set kicks were 40m out at worst. Because we are so fit we were able to do the same in reverse to keep it close however once they settled down and stopped making errors we rarely got out of our half. I agree with Benji I think we were off in defense from the start of the game, the right side was woeful, however our middles were not winning the collision as they have in all our previous games. It was a very ordinary performance across the board and we needed our halves to find a way to kick us out of it in the second half with the wind at our backs and it never eventuated.
 
whilst I dont think Herbert is much of an upgrade on Toa, he does at least put in an effort, Toa seems like he is just making up numbers out there. We have a bit of depth in the wingers so I would be tempted to move Turuva back to right centre. He is better on the wing, however he is also a better centre than both Herbert and Toa.
Even in the game before Toa did jack, he looked pedestrian in a dominant win he's got to go.

I wouldn't play any of the young blokes on the wing next game, maybe Makasini to centre, he did his job there earlier.

Fullback is causing all of these headaches right now, injured at the moment but thank god Bula's extension got done, game of two up trying to decide who plays there next week.
 
Jolls - excellent overview. Suggest that the loss could be attributed to emotional impact - JL news, injuries before, no Api, Douie injured etc. THis week is going to make me believe if we are finalists this year. A good response to a bad loss with key players till out will mean the players have bought in to Benji wholeheartedly.
 
I dont think you can underestimate how important Api is to this team. We have a couple more weeks of pain without him.
We can probably address the left side D but can't replace Api with anything close
I think every team in the NRL would struggle to replace a player like Api, if TDS was still around he probably would have struggled more than hope to get through 80mins and he has errors in him, Hope was pretty clean in attack and defense. We probably needed a Charlie Murray type player to come in and take that last interchange when Seyfarth came on, hope should have come off.
 
Hate to say this but I think Toa plays scared, not sure if he’s scared of further injury or scared of the opposition.
He just doesn’t have the aggression required to be a top flight centre ( watch Staggs , Alamoti and Farnworth and note the difference).
 
They were rolling through us in the first half as well, they were getting field position and able to put up those attacking kicks that put our winger and FB under pressure. Their end of set kicks were 40m out at worst. Because we are so fit we were able to do the same in reverse to keep it close however once they settled down and stopped making errors we rarely got out of our half. I agree with Benji I think we were off in defense from the start of the game, the right side was woeful, however our middles were not winning the collision as they have in all our previous games. It was a very ordinary performance across the board and we needed our halves to find a way to kick us out of it in the second half with the wind at our backs and it never eventuated.
I didn't think they were rolling through us, but it was definitely an arm wrestle. Cronulla have a decent pack. I agree it was an underwhelming performance from the outset but still thought we were very much in it until we dropped every ball that came our way in the second half. Your halves can't kick you out of trouble when your wingers and middles are dropping the ball on the second or third tackle 30m out.
 
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