Some have short memories RTS had over 12000 running metres between 2012-2015 with the Roosters and was the best fullback in the game in 2015\. Warriors have cruelled him as well as serious injury. Forumers need to stop over rating our players Tui simply has not got the genetic talent of RTS. I like Tui but geez it’s a pretty poor comparison.
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GNR4LIFE
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He’s played 65 first grade games. Not enough to form an opinion on him?
Lolohea has just turned 23 this week and has played 22 first grade games at full back
RTS is almost 25 and has played 60 FG games at FB
At the same age as Lolohea he had played almost the same amount of games at FB as Lolohea had
Now I'm not saying Lolohea will be better or worse but he has played more FG and as much FB as RTS had at the same age so he has the opportunity.
RTS also was coming through a winning team while Lolohea has played in bottom 4 sides mostly
RTS in his gamea at FB has made much more meters (187 v 102) on average and makes more line breaks and tackle breaks.
Lolohea at FB makes significantly more Line break assists and try assists per game and his tackle efficentcy is 73% v 65% (which has dropped to 60% FOR THE WARRIROS)
Their error rate and penaltys conceded per game are even
Will Lolohea be as good a fullback - Mayby but it will definatly help him plaing in a strogner team and the bit he really needs to work on is his running game
RTS is almost 25 and has played 60 FG games at FB
At the same age as Lolohea he had played almost the same amount of games at FB as Lolohea had
Now I'm not saying Lolohea will be better or worse but he has played more FG and as much FB as RTS had at the same age so he has the opportunity.
RTS also was coming through a winning team while Lolohea has played in bottom 4 sides mostly
RTS in his gamea at FB has made much more meters (187 v 102) on average and makes more line breaks and tackle breaks.
Lolohea at FB makes significantly more Line break assists and try assists per game and his tackle efficentcy is 73% v 65% (which has dropped to 60% FOR THE WARRIROS)
Their error rate and penaltys conceded per game are even
Will Lolohea be as good a fullback - Mayby but it will definatly help him plaing in a strogner team and the bit he really needs to work on is his running game
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Tui is hungry and I like that. If he could trim down even further and get to what benji looked like in 05 he'll have more zip. Just because you trim down doesn't mean you lose strength..sometimes it's the oposite…extra weight helps to protect your from constant full on contact..at fullback he'll be doing more running defense rather than head on at 5/8\. I think he'll go well this year. What will be intersting is if he can handle a barage of bombs.
diedpretty
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The rorters aren't going to waste money on RTS when they have wonderboy at fullback already. They will be saving their money to make a big play for Cleary or Morgan.
The-moP
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The Chooks are also making a play for Josh Mansour (Penrith) to add to Angus Creighton (Souths) coming in 2019.
stevied
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What's obvious in these forum discussions is that posters often have love affairs with particular players. There is no doubting RTS's talent and, yes, he displayed a magic step and explosive pace in 2015…..However, in these chats, we should look at all the available information before making sweeping statements. RTS played with a star laden roster in 2015 with play makers to provide opportunities for him. It wasn't just his broken field running. Lolohea played in some fairly average Warrior teams when he broke into first grade and his progress since his debut season has been chequered due to a variety of reasons, none of which us fans can be exactly sure of. What made me respond to your comment, TYGA, are the words 'genetic talent'. what do you mean exactly, that his parents somehow infused more natural skill? The single word 'talent' would have sufficed and, anyway, I can't agree. Has anyone seen the highlight reel of Lolohea's debut season? To be honest, I have never seen such a lightning step, combined with speed and raw power coming from the back. But it was only a small sample and it was only the Warriors, meaning not many people watched his games. I would be careful when judging talent. I think Lolohea possesses just as much talent, he just needs to be guided and encouraged.
Tim Sheens
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Have never watched the highlights, but in the games that I saw him play back then, he left an indelible impression of his talents and I expect to see similar this coming season. As such, I was one of the early ones on here wanting him on the bus asap and very happy that he chose to come to WT.
Balmainian
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I watched a few warriors games in Tui's debut year.
He was the difference on a few occasions and more then held his own at at the back.
It would be foolish to predict he will have a wowser of season….Also just as foolish to say he will have dud year.
Hopefully Tui rips it up this year and we dont have to worry about signing any one at fullback for a few more years to come.
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RTS is a better athlete hands down and has runs on the board.
RTS off memory was the Dally M winger of the year in 2013 and Fullback of the year in 2015\. When fit and playing in a well coached team he is not only a freak of an athlete but was consistently great. Tui is a project player has never hit those heights but it is also true both of them have been negatively impacted playing for the Warriors. I hope Tui does well because he’s with us and I can’t see RTS signing with the Tigers we rarely sign sought after players in demand. We either uncover hidden gems, players cast off or with injury issues.
Let me put this out:
Why not have Both? Ok that sounds far out but…
Roosters went for Cronk with Pearce on the roster.
Penrith have Wallace with Cleary.
Tui I think is a talent and I want to keep him. He has that potential to be a great ball assist fullback. He can play FB and Five Eight.
RTS is a natural athlete and a great player. He has played Wing and Fullback.
Superstars are great. RTS is a superstar, but he went to the Warriors on a $1Mil paycheck. Tui is on a 300K? contract (ok we really have no idea.). I am seeing RTS providing close to 900K value and Tui definitely performing above his paygrade at 500-600k.
Now do we say no to superstars? Ofcourse we say yes. But I would be punting all but 1 of Thompson, Kevie, MWZ, Founa (depending on performance) and telling RTS that his best position is on the wing and we will give 900K. We say yes to superstars, we say OH YES to superstars (like Marshall) who will play below their paygrade. But when someone becomes available we don't rush to pay them over their paygrade. Particularly when we have a fullback who can perform way above his own paygrade.
Why not have Both? Ok that sounds far out but…
Roosters went for Cronk with Pearce on the roster.
Penrith have Wallace with Cleary.
Tui I think is a talent and I want to keep him. He has that potential to be a great ball assist fullback. He can play FB and Five Eight.
RTS is a natural athlete and a great player. He has played Wing and Fullback.
Superstars are great. RTS is a superstar, but he went to the Warriors on a $1Mil paycheck. Tui is on a 300K? contract (ok we really have no idea.). I am seeing RTS providing close to 900K value and Tui definitely performing above his paygrade at 500-600k.
Now do we say no to superstars? Ofcourse we say yes. But I would be punting all but 1 of Thompson, Kevie, MWZ, Founa (depending on performance) and telling RTS that his best position is on the wing and we will give 900K. We say yes to superstars, we say OH YES to superstars (like Marshall) who will play below their paygrade. But when someone becomes available we don't rush to pay them over their paygrade. Particularly when we have a fullback who can perform way above his own paygrade.
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900k for strictly a winger is far too much however If some sort of hybrid backline role could happen, RTS could potentially work.
Unfortunately it would be Tui that would suffer, as we have brought in Josh Reynolds for the 6, Brooks currently has a mortgage on the 7, and positions 2-5 would be paying mega overs, even by Tigers standards.
My guess would be that he'd be taking quite a paycut to leave the Warriors and he'd be in the vicinity of 600k or so.
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Gee whiz, goes to show, just when we think we are a basket case, the WARRIORS far and away outstrip us on this kind of thing - Tomkins, Foran, RTS, all on eye watering contracts money wise, and all been complete fizzlers. Then you have the perennial underachiever Shawn Johnson who is also on stupid stupid money - now theyve brought Adam Blair across.... rofl - without the Bennett Factor motivating him, that will be interesting.
As you stated, some of our depth would have to go to make it happen.
We have come a long way since Cleary chimed in, I reckon Tui will be a gun at fullback. If Jason Taylor was still coach we would be looking at Kyle Lovett in the fullback position! Nice to have a coach that has realistic options and can possibly attract the right talent if need be.
clontarfkid
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For the record,Jason Taylor inherited a pig of a roster,a control freak as captain,and a totally dysfunctional board….and still got us into 9th place in 2016.
I'm not here to defend him by any means,but we need some perspective
I'm not here to defend him by any means,but we need some perspective
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Yea totally agreed. The Warriors are a basket case. Stephen Kearney actually had the "gun" team and it completely misfired, he made even Jason look good.
Anyone else realising that if RTS wants to walk, either NZ has a tough coach and he doesn't like having to work (which he did at the Roosters) OR NZ has another bad coach follow Kearney's footsteps. Probably means they are going to Shed more players soon.
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