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Tim Sheens Returns to Tigers
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I like this but for one reason only. It reminds me of a happier time at the club.
jirskyr
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@sleeve said in [Tim Sheens Returns to Tigers](/post/1383536) said:
Yeah my mate had a chat to Sheensie too at a corporate event, said the guy could talk all day about football.
mike
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@happy_tiger said in [Tim Sheens Returns to Tigers](/post/1383583) said:
Yeah that’s my only concern as well. It would be nice though, if we do have another losing spree, Sheens says something positive about Maguire and the process we are going through to quell any unrest.
weststigers
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@mike said in [Tim Sheens Returns to Tigers](/post/1383623) said:
The key to this rebuild is stability. If Madge, Hartigan and Sheens stick around for another 3+ years, we will see the full effect of what Hartigan and Madge have started.
mike
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@weststigers said in [Tim Sheens Returns to Tigers](/post/1383624) said:
Agree 100%
hobbo1
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@mike said in [Tim Sheens Returns to Tigers](/post/1383623) said:
Day 1
Sheens walks into Madge’s office..
Reaches up to the top shelf ..
Takes down the little black book which has been sitting there for 9 years ..
Dusts off the cover and throws it to Madge and says “ my work is done “
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cochise
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@hobbo1 said in [Tim Sheens Returns to Tigers](/post/1383660) said:
Tim's office has been demolished lol
hobbo1
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@cochise said in [Tim Sheens Returns to Tigers](/post/1383661) said:
I said Madge’s office ?
cochise
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@hobbo1 said in [Tim Sheens Returns to Tigers](/post/1383664) said:
Maybe all these new appointments are just to fill the offices in the new COE? lol
BAGNF05
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Surprise surprise Buzz on 360 predicting the Sheens signing to be a failure. Kenty and Hoops calling it a good move. Kenty seems to be more reasonable when discussing WT this year. Still gives it to us when it’s deserving which I’m okay with.
@bagnf05 said in [Tim Sheens Returns to Tigers](/post/1383708) said:
Appointing Sheens is wise. The challenge will be listening to him. He was calling the Tigers out for not having a West’s Tigers brand from the ground up. He like many understand that MacArthur - Group 6 area is where the players will come from for the next 20 years. Demographics change and the inner west won’t have many league players in 20 years.
We are always battling this issue due to the nature of the Tigers Magpies merger. Someone at some stage has to throw it all out the window as a footy club it’s obvious where we need to focus. It’s the South Western corridor the place will have a huge population with land subdivisions, new airport etc.
Not sure it can be done without West’s Cambo involvement but it has to be.
cochise
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@tyga said in [Tim Sheens Returns to Tigers](/post/1383715) said:
I really can't see Wests Cambo being involved again.
twentyforty
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“Spotting talent” would be akin to humanity searching for intelligent life, need to have a good look in our own backyard first. I guess that’s where Sheens will start? Will be interesting to see how it all unfolds?
The club is now looking like a club which is having a serious crack at shaking off the mediocrity tag. Gathering some well credentialed people in key positions. Madge, Hartigan and now Sheens, can’t see it being anything but successful. I just hope that systems and procedures are put in place to ensure the continuity of their success. Previously, when one or more of our key personnel have left we seemed to have struggled.
The club is now looking like a club which is having a serious crack at shaking off the mediocrity tag. Gathering some well credentialed people in key positions. Madge, Hartigan and now Sheens, can’t see it being anything but successful. I just hope that systems and procedures are put in place to ensure the continuity of their success. Previously, when one or more of our key personnel have left we seemed to have struggled.
cochise
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@magpies1963 said in [Tim Sheens Returns to Tigers](/post/1383722) said:
Tigers to re-sign Maguire but Reynolds, Packer drama highlights issues
Michael Chammas
By Michael Chammas
Updated September 6, 2020 — 8.37pmfirst published at 8.12pm
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The Wests Tigers are moving to silence the deafening noise surrounding the tenure of their coach, set to hand Michael Maguire a one year contract extension despite more cause for concern emerging on Sunday.
A week of conjecture around the coach's relationship with his players ended with revelations out-of-favour duo Josh Reynolds and Russell Packer left Saturday night's game against Manly at half time.
Tigers coach Michael Maguire.
Tigers coach Michael Maguire.CREDIT:GETTY
When contacted by the Herald on Sunday night, Reynolds declined to comment. However sources close to the club said Reynolds, whose behaviour was out of character given his reputation as the ultimate team player, was privately fuming over suggestions that he walked out because he couldn't handle the cold.
The five-eighth, despite being told to find a new home on half a dozen occasions, wasn't required to attend the match but turned up to support his teammates, before leaving at half time.
"It's not a good look for two of our players to leave at half time," chairman Lee Hagipantelis told the Herald.
"Strictly speaking, they weren't required to be there. Russell had to warm up with the team as 19th man but Josh didn't even warm up with the team. Both players have acknowledged their action creates a perception, but perception is not reality.
"I have spoken to both of them and they've acknowledge it wasn't a good look. There was no intention on their part to show disrespect or a lack of unity. Russell suffers from an arthritic condition and had multiple surgeries in his foot to try and help him play again. Sitting there in the cold does affect him, that is true."
The players' inability to see out the match in the stands reflects poorly, but again highlights the disconnect that the club wants addressed in the offseason when it sits down with Maguire to map out its plan for the future.
Russell Packer charges into the Eels defence earlier in the year.
Russell Packer charges into the Eels defence earlier in the year.CREDIT:GETTY IMAGES
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The Wests Tigers has been a revolving door of coaches in recent years and the club is determined to make sure Maguire isn't added to the list, with the former South Sydney premiership-winning mentor to be given an extension on his contract despite already being locked in at the joint venture until the end of 2021.
It's an incredible show of faith when you consider the noise surrounding Maguire's tenure at the club. The murmurs of discontent in the playing ranks keep bubbling along, not to mention the fact the Tigers are likely to miss the finals for a second straight year under his watch despite a miraculous come-from-behind win against Manly on Saturday night.
The Tigers would be well within their rights to sit back and see how next year unfolds before making a decision. That's the safe play considering he still has another year to run on his deal and, to put it bluntly, rival clubs are not exactly lining up for his services.
But in a strong message to the players, some of whom are privately questioning whether he is in fact the right man to lead them out of a decade-long finals slumber, the board and executives will in the coming months add another year to Maguire's incumbency.
The Tigers and, for the large part, their success-starved fans, believe Maguire is the right man. They are behind his no-nonsense approach and want him to add a hard edge to a club long regarded for its soft underbelly.
They also know where there's smoke, there's fire. The issue involving Packer and Reynolds is evidence of that. Packer and Reynolds didn't break any rules when they left the game. Some of their teammates who weren't playing didn't even show up at all, but it's a bad look nonetheless.
The players must take responsibility for their poor choices, but there's also an onus on Maguire to evolve in the off-season and address some of the issues with his coaching style that has affected his relationship with several players at his last two clubs.
Task master: Michael Maguire is known for pushing his players hard.
Task master: Michael Maguire is known for pushing his players hard.CREDIT:GETTY
There's a misconception that the issues arise from how hard Maguire trains his players, that they can't stomach his military-like regime. The real problem stems around his communication skills, and a feeling he avoids the tough conversations.
Like when he asked Benji Marshall and Robbie Farah to approach Moses Mbye about stepping away from the captaincy last year, instead of having the conversation himself. Or, just last week, when he struggled to tell Marshall he wasn't required in 2021, asking the veteran playmaker to "give him 24 hours" despite already reaching a decision with the club he wasn't part of their plans going forward.
Maguire has the runs on the board. No one is questioning his rugby league IQ or his ability to prepare a football team. But a generational transition in players has prompted debate over how compatible his philosophies are with the modern-day footballer.
It was evident last year in how he handled Ryan Matterson, a player who came to the club from the Sydney Roosters with a reputation for requiring a cuddle - or three - to get the best out of him. Maguire is from a different school. The type that brings baseball bats and boa constrictors into dressing rooms to get his point across. Mollycoddling delicate footballers is not in his nature.
The Tigers possess a roster built by Ivan Cleary with personalities that suit an Ivan Cleary-coached team. Maguire will get his team in 2022, when the salary cap frees up in the first season of his forthcoming extension, but what he does between now and then will have a huge impact on whether he can attract Maguire-type footballers to the club.
Tigers powerbrokers know the club is not in a position to let quality footballers walk out the door, or turn players off joining, if it can be avoided by the coach learning to relate on a different level. Sometimes a teaspoon of cement isn't the only remedy.
pawsandclaws1
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@tyga said in [Tim Sheens Returns to Tigers](/post/1383715) said:
Doueihi, Seyfarth and Brooks are three examples of our inner west local juniors in the NRL. Nofoaluma is from the South West. We cannot give up on the inner west as it is a gold mine of talent. We move out, Roosters move right in.
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@magpies1963 said in [Tim Sheens Returns to Tigers](/post/1383722) said:
Apologies Magpies I didn't realise it was behind a paywall.
Elderslie_Tiger
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@crucible said in [Tim Sheens Returns to Tigers](/post/1382718) said:
NO just a good memory 😂😂😂😂😂
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