To those who are blaming Cleary

[Telltails]

Umm we are still rebuilding because Jason Taylor levelled the place. It was a total mess when he left. All our best players left and the club was the joke of the league.

The recruitment was as good as it coulod have been given the circumstances.

Cleary is doing a good job of putting it back together.

He was sacked before they left. If i recall, everyone was rejoicing saying they would now re-sign, that its what was holding them back. We needed a real coach they said. Cleary was here a good month and was asked specifically during his first press conference whether he would be involved in negotiations and his answer was yes. But Taylor is the reason they left…

Also, how do you rebuild something that was never built in the first place?

We were a complete shambles in early 2017\. Taylor left the club in horrible shape at a time when he should have been on the rise with a promising young roster with talent in key spots. We were a walking headline off the field. Our defence was non existent which is the main thing I said he would fix.

Under a decent coach we would have had players locked away in the summer and not gone into the season under such a dark cloud.

Cleary walked into a huge mess with players walking out the door already negotiating with other clubs. We have basically had to start from scratch. Any who expected big things in 2018 is kidding given we lost 3/4 of our best players in one season.

However that does not suit GNRs narrative as he was a big JT fan.

Not really, when he was sacked, it was his time. The Raiders and Panthers games where we got thumped, indicating we had not improved over the summer was proof enough. I find the most ardent Taylors haters are intolerant of anyone playing devils advocate. Kind of like when the right accuse anyone of not chanting "Lock her up" being a Hillary lover. I only try and play devils advocate. But due to the vicsiousness of the hatred for Taylor, it gets seen as me being a fan. Im not, im glad he's gone. However im not a sheep.

You have to question whether defending Taylor has more to with his actions in getting rid of Farah rather than anything he offered as a coach. I think you will find they go hand in hand.
And of course those who defended Farah will be accused of not rating Taylor for the same reason.
So as fans maybe we are not in the best position to make an unbias evaluation of him.

The fact the club backed him through all the drama and then sacked him soon after - with
money to spend - pretty much says enough about how they viewed him as the coach to lead us out of the depths we were in, as far as Im concerned.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

No doubt he was a hatchet man ala Brian Smith.

 

[Eddie]

Comparing him to Brian Smith is Stretch. Brian Smith has multiple winning seasons, made multiple grand finals and was somewhat a career first grade coach. Taylor suppoded Hatchet was so unsuccessful that once he replaced the man you claim he was bought in to replace - the whole roster blew up on him a few months later and results worsened . That is not s successful hatchet job.

 

[nrlcountrytiger]

The only problem i have with Cleary is hes such a great coach yet we where the only ones not playing a hooker at hooker and now he tries on the weekend but we've lost all momentum now its a bit to late….we look out of sorts and down on confidence not the works of a great coach...we need to try and win every week and i dont feel he does that sometimes...I feel he treats some weeks as a training run....If he was serious about winning he would choose better and put hookers in even he doesnt like them there better then Taylor....

 

[Spartan117]

I think the problem is more than a hooker,

We may have farah back for the next 3 years.

 

[Spud_Murphy]

So let me get this straight. We were in a quagmire with our cap as far back as 2014\. We knew it was going to take a few years to fix it. We all saw 2018 as a beacon, because we knew that was when we could even out the books once and all. That’s been done and now we have to wait another 3 years? ?

Still defending the JT years of rubbish. Anybody who thought 2018 was going to be a breakout year has absolutely no idea about footy and should start following another sport. You were still supporting JT after 3 years of rubbish, yet your carrying on about Cleary after half a season, hypocritical to say the least.

Half a season? The team has played what? 15 rounds?

During those rounds they played crap for 40 minutes and some so called fans want to throw Cleary under his own bus?

Unbelievable.

:bash :bash :bash

We’ve been in almost every game this year. The one bad half against the raiders was every second game under JT. We have improved so much this year and I’m so proud of Ivan and the boys for what they have done. If we have some luck with injuries and referees then I think we could give it a good shake with the rest of the year.

We have improved and been thereabouts in almost every game this season for sure, but if you think we’ve only played badly for 40 minutes all year then you’re kidding yourselves. We have been on a steep decline in form over the past 8 weeks with old mistakes, bad habits and ill discipline creeping back in after what was such a promising start to the season.

We’ve shot ourselves in the foot in just about every loss during this period and our two wins were nothing much to celebrate either, scraping through against a horrid Canterbury team and beating a very out of sorts Cowboys outfit.

The decline in form is a real worry, there doesn’t appear to be any way of stopping it.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Comparing him to Brian Smith is Stretch. Brian Smith has multiple winning seasons, made multiple grand finals and was somewhat a career first grade coach. Taylor suppoded Hatchet was so unsuccessful that once he replaced the man you claim he was bought in to replace - the whole roster blew up on him a few months later and results worsened . That is not s successful hatchet job.

Who was comparing their coaching ability? This is what i mean, you say one thing, and everyone turns it into something else. I was speaking in refernce to ousting Farah then being ousted himself. He was the face of the whole saga which would have pleased the board because it took attention off them. Then they sacked him. He was used as a hatchet man.

 

[barra]

I'm not blaming Cleary, I'm thankful for him.

When it comes to signings he has no choice but to temper them with salary cap limitations. As others have mentioned, you can only sign who is available and Cleary himself has said some signings are not the players to take us to where we need to be, but are players to help us get there. We've already come a long way in 12 months both on and off the field IMO.

I'm glad we have a responsible and experienced coach who seems to have a good raportt with players and others in the game. It could be a lot worse.

So I'll continue to support his actions.

(edit: as hard as it was to take last Sundays game!!)

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I'm not blaming Cleary, I'm thankful for him.

When it comes to signings he has no choice but to temper them with salary cap limitations. As others have mentioned, you can only sign who is available and **Cleary himself has said some signings are not the players to take us to where we need to be, but are players to help us get there**. We've already come a long way in 12 months both on and off the field IMO.

I'm glad we have a responsible and experienced coach who seems to have a good raportt with players and others in the game. It could be a lot worse.

So I'll continue to support his actions.

(edit: as hard as it was to take last Sundays game!!)

When is he supposed to have said this?

 

[TigerSJ]

I'm not blaming Cleary, I'm thankful for him.

When it comes to signings he has no choice but to temper them with salary cap limitations. As others have mentioned, you can only sign who is available and **Cleary himself has said some signings are not the players to take us to where we need to be, but are players to help us get there**. We've already come a long way in 12 months both on and off the field IMO.

I'm glad we have a responsible and experienced coach who seems to have a good raportt with players and others in the game. It could be a lot worse.

So I'll continue to support his actions.

(edit: as hard as it was to take last Sundays game!!)

When is he supposed to have said this?

Yep, Barra is correct, and if you read my earlier post I alluded to the same comments from Ivan. He has said exactly that in interviews a couple of times about certain recruits…. that they were the right guys for this rebuilding phase but not necessarily the right guys to win the comp. He speaks of guys that give value for money and who will buy into the new culture, he chose guys with something to prove in the NRL and above all guys who wanted to play for the WT's. As many have already pointed out that wasn't necessarily the pick of the bunch!

 

[tiger05premier]

I'm not blaming Cleary, I'm thankful for him.

When it comes to signings he has no choice but to temper them with salary cap limitations. As others have mentioned, you can only sign who is available and **Cleary himself has said some signings are not the players to take us to where we need to be, but are players to help us get there**. We've already come a long way in 12 months both on and off the field IMO.

I'm glad we have a responsible and experienced coach who seems to have a good raportt with players and others in the game. It could be a lot worse.

So I'll continue to support his actions.

(edit: as hard as it was to take last Sundays game!!)

When is he supposed to have said this?

I can't remember where or how myself but i do remember hearing or reading words to that effect somewhere

 

[Eddie]

Cleary started ina wide ranging interview some of his signings were those that “might not get you to the promised land” but help you rebuild a culture - it aired a few weeks ago on fox. Basically My take was our next couple signings need to be marquee - and some of the current ones are there for the start of a rebuild. Words to that effect.

 

[barra]

I'm not blaming Cleary, I'm thankful for him.

When it comes to signings he has no choice but to temper them with salary cap limitations. As others have mentioned, you can only sign who is available and **Cleary himself has said some signings are not the players to take us to where we need to be, but are players to help us get there**. We've already come a long way in 12 months both on and off the field IMO.

I'm glad we have a responsible and experienced coach who seems to have a good raportt with players and others in the game. It could be a lot worse.

So I'll continue to support his actions.

(edit: as hard as it was to take last Sundays game!!)

When is he supposed to have said this?

Yep, Barra is correct, and if you read my earlier post I alluded to the same comments from Ivan. He has said exactly that in interviews a couple of times about certain recruits…. that they were the right guys for this rebuilding phase but not necessarily the right guys to win the comp. He speaks of guys that give value for money and who will buy into the new culture, he chose guys with something to prove in the NRL and above all guys who wanted to play for the WT's. As many have already pointed out that wasn't necessarily the pick of the bunch!

Yeah, it was on-camera interview a few weeks or so ago… think it might have been a Fox Sports programme?

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

I think the problem is more than a hooker,

We may have farah back for the next 3 years.

I doubt Farah can keep up the standard that long, with Liddle virtually ready to go it would have to be 18 months at the most with shared duties. But more likely only 6 months.

 

[gallagher]

I'm not blaming Cleary, I'm thankful for him.

When it comes to signings he has no choice but to temper them with salary cap limitations. As others have mentioned, you can only sign who is available and **Cleary himself has said some signings are not the players to take us to where we need to be, but are players to help us get there**. We've already come a long way in 12 months both on and off the field IMO.

I'm glad we have a responsible and experienced coach who seems to have a good raportt with players and others in the game. It could be a lot worse.

So I'll continue to support his actions.

(edit: as hard as it was to take last Sundays game!!)

When is he supposed to have said this?

Yep, Barra is correct, and if you read my earlier post I alluded to the same comments from Ivan. He has said exactly that in interviews a couple of times about certain recruits…. that they were the right guys for this rebuilding phase but not necessarily the right guys to win the comp. He speaks of guys that give value for money and who will buy into the new culture, he chose guys with something to prove in the NRL and above all guys who wanted to play for the WT's. As many have already pointed out that wasn't necessarily the pick of the bunch!

Yeah, it was on-camera interview a few weeks or so ago… think it might have been a Fox Sports programme?

Maybe telling everyone that this current crop are just the inbetweeners is effecting their performances. How would have Brooks taken it with all the N Cleary talk.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

When is he supposed to have said this?

Yep, Barra is correct, and if you read my earlier post I alluded to the same comments from Ivan. He has said exactly that in interviews a couple of times about certain recruits…. that they were the right guys for this rebuilding phase but not necessarily the right guys to win the comp. He speaks of guys that give value for money and who will buy into the new culture, he chose guys with something to prove in the NRL and above all guys who wanted to play for the WT's. As many have already pointed out that wasn't necessarily the pick of the bunch!

Yeah, it was on-camera interview a few weeks or so ago… think it might have been a Fox Sports programme?

Maybe telling everyone that this current crop are just the inbetweeners is effecting their performances. How would have Brooks taken it with all the N Cleary talk.

I’m surprised that he would publicly throw them under the bus like that. Fair enough if he has those feelings behind closed doors, but it’s not something that needs to be broadcast imo.

 

[TCL]

Taylor sucked footballs hard.

I blame Ronnie Palmer and the lack of the magic dust he was sprinkling earlier. Where is it and why is it not being used. There should be an investigation, someone needs to be held accountable.

 

[The_Patriot]

Comparing him to Brian Smith is Stretch. Brian Smith has multiple winning seasons, made multiple grand finals and was somewhat a career first grade coach. Taylor suppoded Hatchet was so unsuccessful that once he replaced the man you claim he was bought in to replace - the whole roster blew up on him a few months later and results worsened . That is not s successful hatchet job.

Who was comparing their coaching ability? This is what i mean, you say one thing, and everyone turns it into something else. I was speaking in refernce to ousting Farah then being ousted himself. He was the face of the whole saga which would have pleased the board because it took attention off them. Then they sacked him. He was used as a hatchet man.

So according to you Jason Taylor was the face of the job done on Robbie Farah by the board.

Pretty much the same board that just gave the new coach the power to re-sign Robbie Farah.

Can you not see the stupidity in that fairy tale.
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Reality again - all that really happened was that the board supported the coach, as they should.

The board not long after held that coach responsible for his bad decisions.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Comparing him to Brian Smith is Stretch. Brian Smith has multiple winning seasons, made multiple grand finals and was somewhat a career first grade coach. Taylor suppoded Hatchet was so unsuccessful that once he replaced the man you claim he was bought in to replace - the whole roster blew up on him a few months later and results worsened . That is not s successful hatchet job.

Who was comparing their coaching ability? This is what i mean, you say one thing, and everyone turns it into something else. I was speaking in refernce to ousting Farah then being ousted himself. He was the face of the whole saga which would have pleased the board because it took attention off them. Then they sacked him. He was used as a hatchet man.

So according to you Jason Taylor was the face of the job done on Robbie Farah by the board.

Pretty much the same board that just gave the new coach the power to re-sign Robbie Farah.

Can you not see the stupidity in that fairy tale.
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Reality again - all that really happened was that the board supported the coach, as they should.

The board not long after held that coach responsible for his bad decisions.

Desperate times = desperate measures.

 

[Geo]

Nope does not surprise me 1 bit with this Board..

A perfect 10 backflip of the high tower that would make DCE proud..