Todd Payten pleads guilty to urinating on Hyde Park memorial

[AmericanHistoryX]

its hard to forget things like this. nate myles still disgusts me to this day.

 

[happy_tiger]

I haven't sinned all day so I'll have a go.

It's not a good look for someone you thought was pretty much up there as a mentor.

Still, I guess there are two positives:

1\. It wasn't a Nate Myles
2\. He doesn't play for us anymore.

With No 2 it is worse he coaches our NYC side now Theres the example we want them to learn from

 

[innsaneink]

42 posts on a bad news story.

10 comments on the Club managing to hook up one of the planets most recognized peopleand succesful sportsman for a publicity event.

Bad news sells.

 

[LaT]

The Tigers Woods is a fluff story where we gave him a membership and cross promoted another sport. If he was really a Tigers fan, I would be ecstatic about it.

 

[thylacine]

I can't believe the animosity towards one of our greats. Sure he blew it big time but he's doing everything in his power to make things right. We must have some pretty perfect members on this forum. :unamused:

 

[stryker]

What a pedantic world we live in…
who cares he ment no malice, im sure everyone here has done worse

I'm really hoping your just a dumb kid who knows no better….other wise you need your backside kicked for that statement.

As for Todd...I have admired him for years and have met him socially a number of times. He is a great bloke and this would be killing him inside. This does not excuse his actions which are reprehensible but I havent written him off for it.

However I think anyone who desicrates a war grave or memorial should cop a very hefty fine and punishment.
These people are the truest meaning of the word heroes and should be shown the upmost of respect.

 

[tigergirlz]

Hopefully Todd can find a way to atone for what he has done. Does not diminish his great service for the Wests Tigers.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Todd Carney apologised, people still want hi s head, if it was watmough people would want his head, if it was myles people would want his head….yet none of the above have ever pissed on a war memorial, atleast not that i know of.

& dont say cause they are repeat offenders, they havnt defiled a war memorial.

Carney lead police on an unlicensed drunken car chase, and when cornered fled the scene, thats just one of his indiscretions. Watmough has beaten his partner and has numerous car charges against him, plus a pissing in public charge.

Myles, well….that story was actually pretty funny when he got stuck in the hall while looking for the crapper.

For a guy like Payten who is otherwise a solid guy with not allot of issues over his career, its not beyond forgiveness.

As for young kids not respecting him in NYC because of this? Way off base.

Not to mention Watmough's harrassment of a young woman and the assualt of her father when her father attempted to intervene at an NRL function. To put Payton in the class of any of the guyz above for just one isolated incident is rediculous. Get off your high horse KOK09

 

[happy_tiger]

My concern is what message are we sending to the NYC players when Todd takes over coaching them

 

[Nix]

Whilst the location of the incident is pretty bad, he isn't the first NRL player to have urinated in public (and be caught) - hence my list.

However I believe he has showed real courage to publicly apologize to all the people he has offended by his actions and is willing to make amends through personal donation of time and money.

Saying sorry is never easy and to come out and do it in the public forum for something he knows will bring him, his family and those close to him embarrassment, potential ridicule and vilification would have been a very hard thing to do - I respect him for that.

 

[Nix]

My concern is what message are we sending to the NYC players when Todd takes over coaching them

That no matter who you are, average Joe or someone in the public eye, there are consequences for your actions and that you can't get away with anti-social behavior simply because you're a respected or otherwise NRL player.

This is what Gallop was trying to do with Manly who basically did minimal damage control with very little discipline for all the incidents over the last few years.

He made an example of Brett Stewart in an attempt to try convey the above message.

Unfortunately the Stewart brothers and the Manly club have done nothing but act like petulant children about it ever since.

 

[cnx_tigers]

This is where GOODWILL POINTS ARE SPENT…

Toddy has played for OVER A DECADE...

He has NO HISTORY OF BEING A DRUNKEN MORON...

He has NOT done this type of thing regularly...so there's NO comparison to Carney, Myles, Watmough etc.

Yes...it was dumb, disrespectful, stupid, moronic, shameful.

BUT...he has made one mistake in a decade and HE'S EARNT THE RIGHT to aplogise and move on. Once, yes.

If it happens again, see you later Toddy.

But the man has a decade of goodwill earnt and deserves the right to say "I genuinely apologise" and for that to be accepted.

 

[Citizen_Tiger]

Todd Carney apologised, people still want hi s head, if it was watmough people would want his head, if it was myles people would want his head….yet none of the above have ever pissed on a war memorial, atleast not that i know of.

& dont say cause they are repeat offenders, they havnt defiled a war memorial.

Carney lead police on an unlicensed drunken car chase, and when cornered fled the scene, thats just one of his indiscretions. Watmough has beaten his partner and has numerous car charges against him, plus a pissing in public charge.

Myles, well….that story was actually pretty funny when he got stuck in the hall while looking for the crapper.

For a guy like Payten who is otherwise a solid guy with not allot of issues over his career, its not beyond forgiveness.

As for young kids not respecting him in NYC because of this? Way off base.

Oh no not Choccy, he's wiped his slate clean and been redeemed cause he handed out mugs of hot chocolate and banana bread to the needy up in Darlinghurst. He even wore his hoody so he wouldn't be recognized and now his proudly wearing his country's co ours cause he's da man like….respect bro

 

[Citizen_Tiger]

Once again a sign of the issue that seems to be right through Australian culture (not just footballers) that you need to drink yourself stupid to have a good time.

I fear a Ben Alexander accident will happen again and this might finally help wake up some of these guys that they have a hell of a lot to lose by getting completely smashed.

Unfortunately Todd as a father, aged in your early 30's, and moving into the responsibilities of a senior coaching role you have stuff up pretty badly.

Let's hope it makes you a better man and a better leader of young men.

bit harsh on the auzzy cilture mate

Not harsh at all, just completely accurate. Apart from the fact that there's a seasonal avalanche of alcohol fueled incidents, booze impairs performance big time. Rugby League often professes itself to be an elite sport, but that's wishful thinking

 

[cunno]

It probably would have been wise to go public soon after the event as it would have shown Todd's level of apology and remorse to our fallen heroes soon after he realised what he had done.

 

[Fraze23]

“I was not aware of my surroundings and definitely didn’t know that I was **in the vicinity of such a respected site**,’’ Payten said.
Is it confirmed that he urinated on the memorial itself, or just within the area?
I really feel for Todd, it's definitely out of character and the only blemish on an otherwise spotless career. While I certainly don't condone the actions and acknowledge how disgusting and disrespectful the act is, I honestly don't believe that he set out to intentionally urinate on a war memorial.
The bloke has apologised and offered financial donations and volunteered his time to the RSL.
Don't let this one act define how you remember Todd Payten.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

Not a good look, but who hasn't pee'd on a wall while out on the drink… The situation of the War Memorial is a little dissapointing, and while I find it totally unacceptable, I feel Todd understands he has done wrong.

My 9yr old boy and my partners son who is 8yrs had an altercation last year over a local memorial. The 8yr old was riding his skateboard on the memorial and my boy told him to get off. The 8yr old just laughed so my boy walked up and dragged him off the memorial and stuck his head into the turf while telling him "this is a place to remember Australia's soldiers who have died".

I am a very happy Dad knowing how much such things mean to my boy!

 

[Benjirific]

“I was not aware of my surroundings and definitely didn’t know that I was **in the vicinity of such a respected site**,’’ Payten said.
Is it confirmed that he urinated on the memorial itself, or just within the area?
I really feel for Todd, it's definitely out of character and the only blemish on an otherwise spotless career. While I certainly don't condone the actions and acknowledge how disgusting and disrespectful the act is, I honestly don't believe that he set out to intentionally urinate on a war memorial.
The bloke has apologised and offered financial donations and volunteered his time to the RSL.
Don't let this one act define how you remember Todd Payten.

Agreed, some of the comments on here, in my opinion, are way over the top. There seems to be the assumption that Todd intentionally went out to urinate on a War Memorial. I was watching The Back Page last night, and completely agree with their sentiments, which were of the opinion that while it is not great that he was so drunk in public, there is absolutely no way that he was intentionally disrespecting our fallen soldiers. It was dark, and he as simply looking for a place out of the way and hidden from view, and unfortunately did it in the wrong place.

He has apologised to everyone involved, admitted his guilt and received his sentence from the magistrate, so I think this issue should end there. If you read the stuff about it, it actually says that he was so embarrassed and disgraced by his own actions, that he didn't get any character references because he didn't tell anyone about it. That tells me that he has gone through enough, and that people abusing him on here isn't helping anyone.

 

[innsaneink]

By no means lessening this or excusing this, but the shape of the building really does attract this sorta behavior….shaped very angular there a lots of sort of private concave corners right around it the entire monument
This happens every weekend....witnessed it first hand working shift work at Museum station years ago


 

[gold_on_black]

The court heard that Payten, 32, had pleaded guilty but did not bring any character references with him because he was too embarrassed to tell anyone what had happened.

Remorse

pleaded guilty

Accepting responsibilty.

Poor decision, enough said

Ink it would of been nice if Todd had of apologized to all the fallen soldiers he grossly disrespected with his actions
Remembrance Day in three days Maybe a gesture of good will in the way of a donation of some description to one of the charities involved with looking after the families of the fallen

Im pretty sure he has apologised, also has planned some charitable work and donations.

Saying that it wasnt a great thing he did but im guessing it wouldnt be something he did to purposely disrespect anyone
i'm sure he was aware he was urinating in public but not aware of where it was actually
the guy has basically a clean sheet after all his years in the game