Top 4 or Bust...

[fibrodreaming]

You imbecile, we finished 2nd last in defence, only behind Newcastle who played their u/20s team. Our edge defence was the worst in the league. Yet your praising our improvement in defence attitude, do you read what you write. You would have to be the most uneducated person in rugby league I have ever come across.

I'm the dopey one lol. So the improvements your talking about in defence are ATTITUDE. Your kidding right. So please explain how this improvement in attitude allowed us to

I think most people can agree that our defence was pretty poor last year, but don't you think our scramble and line defence improved last year? Not being smart, genuinely curious.

Masterton - to say our defence was pretty poor is an understatement. In particular our line defence on our right side was appalling. Recall, for example, the sight of Moses attempting to tackle Papalii at LO - it still resonates with me. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry. Frankly, it was pathetic. I also have nightmares recalling our right edge trying to shut down Cordner in the game against Easts. I'd like to think our right edge defence is making progress, but I don't buy it. Our defence on our line (especially on the right side) is pathetic.

We will need to see massive improvements next year if we are to be in contention come September.

 

[Eddie]

I'm sure every club's goal every year is to win the premiership. So when team's don't, is that considered a broken promise? As stated earlier, nothing is certain in sport. Saying something and doing it are two very different things. Criticise Taylor for not fixing the defence so far if you like, but don't hang the guy because he wasn't scared to come in acknowlege the elephant in the room that was our defence. Something no coach in the past has bothered addressing. Which is one of the reasons we've had such little success.

This is complete rubbish.

Where are the coaches quotes saying we are not focusing on defence from Sheens and Potter>??

JT just choose to make a big song and dance about it when he came bagging other coaches. He won the job based on his whole mantra around defence.

Thatswhy I remain totally unconvinved about him as a head coach. His number 1 goal coming intot he joint was to fix it and 2 years in we are 15th best. Turns out its harder to fix then he thought.

I only have to go back to our last game against Canberra. Everything on the line and we concede 50 at home.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I'm sure every club's goal every year is to win the premiership. So when team's don't, is that considered a broken promise? As stated earlier, nothing is certain in sport. Saying something and doing it are two very different things. Criticise Taylor for not fixing the defence so far if you like, but don't hang the guy because he wasn't scared to come in acknowlege the elephant in the room that was our defence. Something no coach in the past has bothered addressing. Which is one of the reasons we've had such little success.

This is complete rubbish.

Where are the coaches quotes saying we are not focusing on defence from Sheens and Potter>??

JT just choose to make a big song and dance about it when he came bagging other coaches. He won the job based on his whole mantra around defence.

Thatswhy I remain totally unconvinved about him as a head coach. His number 1 goal coming intot he joint was to fix it and 2 years in we are 15th best. Turns out its harder to fix then he thought.

I only have to go back to our last game against Canberra. Everything on the line and we concede 50 at home.

But he never made any promises.

 

[jadtiger]

I'm sure every club's goal every year is to win the premiership. So when team's don't, is that considered a broken promise? As stated earlier, nothing is certain in sport. Saying something and doing it are two very different things. Criticise Taylor for not fixing the defence so far if you like, but don't hang the guy because he wasn't scared to come in acknowlege the elephant in the room that was our defence. Something no coach in the past has bothered addressing. Which is one of the reasons we've had such little success.

This is complete rubbish.

Where are the coaches quotes saying we are not focusing on defence from Sheens and Potter>??

JT just choose to make a big song and dance about it when he came bagging other coaches. He won the job based on his whole mantra around defence.

Thatswhy I remain totally unconvinved about him as a head coach. His number 1 goal coming intot he joint was to fix it and 2 years in we are 15th best. Turns out its harder to fix then he thought.

I only have to go back to our last game against Canberra. Everything on the line and we concede 50 at home.

But he never made any promises.

Just as well because he did very little

 

[innsaneink]

I highly doubt there'd be many if any here who would want JTs contract extended if we fail to make the eight

Put your hands up

Im happy with 8th or higher, top 4 would be exceptional. We could slip into the 8 and have had a similar season to this year…thats not good enough for me... if we finish 8th or thereabouts I would hope to see some real improvement in all facets before we consider extending him, if there is a better option available then Im not against this...it could well end up a Graham Murray Ricky // Stuart situation

 

[matchball]

I highly doubt there'd be many if any here who would want JTs contract extended if we fail to make the eight

Put your hands up

Im happy with 8th or higher, top 4 would be exceptional. We could slip into the 8 and have had a similar season to this year…thats not good enough for me... if we finish 8th or thereabouts I would hope to see some real improvement in all facets before we consider extending him, if there is a better option available then Im not against this...it could well end up a Graham Murray Ricky // Stuart situation

Going out week one of finals won't cut it either.
I want to go at least week 2 or 3 to call 2017 a success.

 

[pHyR3]

It was top 8 2016, top 4 2017, they just keep adjusting the target when they miss, I would really love the club to enforce the no more excuses rule.

eh we finished 9th, if finishing 1 place below our target is missing then i'm happy to 'miss' the top 4 next year and come 5th

it's a goal, not a requirement

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

You imbecile, we finished 2nd last in defence, only behind Newcastle who played their u/20s team. Our edge defence was the worst in the league. Yet your praising our improvement in defence attitude, do you read what you write. You would have to be the most uneducated person in rugby league I have ever come across.

I'm the dopey one lol. So the improvements your talking about in defence are ATTITUDE. Your kidding right. So please explain how this improvement in attitude allowed us to

I think most people can agree that our defence was pretty poor last year, but don't you think our scramble and line defence improved last year? Not being smart, genuinely curious.

Masterton - to say our defence was pretty poor is an understatement. In particular our line defence on our right side was appalling. Recall, for example, the sight of Moses attempting to tackle Papalii at LO - it still resonates with me. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry. Frankly, it was pathetic. I also have nightmares recalling our right edge trying to shut down Cordner in the game against Easts. I'd like to think our right edge defence is making progress, but I don't buy it. Our defence on our line (especially on the right side) is pathetic.

We will need to see massive improvements next year if we are to be in contention come September.

And unless two years out of the game somehow improves a players line defence, Idris's is not going to be much help there.

 

[ricksen]

Our scramble improved a fair bit… So I guess you can say the attitude required for defense improved a bit as well....it had to as they go hand in hand
Defensive structure and communication still needs a lot more work
.... But scramble defense is panicky desperate defense, it eventually fails... Structured defense is precise cool deliberate defense which force errors in attacks and succeeds

Yep, bang on.
Our scramble was outstanding at times, which is good to see, but that's not at all sustainable.
Need to cut off the threat at the source (so to speak).

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

We just explained it's improved in parts

Blind indeed

Keep trying

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Ummmm… the argument is that JT never made a promise to fix our defence

Yep..correct

or didn't come out and make statements saying he would fix our defence. Your friend is saying just because he identified it andg talked about it, it doesn't mean he promised to fix it, he was just stating the obvious and never had a plan to do anything about it lol.
>
We have improved our defence have we? Tell him again about our defence stats this year??

Now youre making s*** up
Cut the crap or go away
Once more just for you dopey, The attitude…which isnt measured in stats, improved somewhat, the goal line scramble improved also

NFI

I can vouch for that improved defensive attitude.
I definetly noticed it against the
Raiders , in what was one of our most important games of the year. :roll

 

[jirskyr]

I'm sure every club's goal every year is to win the premiership. So when team's don't, is that considered a broken promise? As stated earlier, nothing is certain in sport. Saying something and doing it are two very different things. Criticise Taylor for not fixing the defence so far if you like, but don't hang the guy because he wasn't scared to come in acknowlege the elephant in the room that was our defence. Something no coach in the past has bothered addressing. Which is one of the reasons we've had such little success.

This is complete rubbish.

Where are the coaches quotes saying we are not focusing on defence from Sheens and Potter>??

JT just choose to make a big song and dance about it when he came bagging other coaches. He won the job based on his whole mantra around defence.

Thatswhy I remain totally unconvinved about him as a head coach. His number 1 goal coming intot he joint was to fix it and 2 years in we are 15th best. Turns out its harder to fix then he thought.

I only have to go back to our last game against Canberra. Everything on the line and we concede 50 at home.

Half a tick - he applied to get a job by pointing out the errors of the previous sacked coaches and providing a game plan to fix the well-known defensive issues?

Well paint my face surprised.

Of course he made a song and dance about it, it is so obvious to all football fans what the Tigers weaknesses are, and yes the solution is very complicated. Why is that a problem with JT but not his predecessors? Why did Mick Potter not get any results at all but people don't mind him - because he held his tongue a little more, didn't say exactly what he thought?

Don't get it.

 

[innsaneink]

I'm sure every club's goal every year is to win the premiership. So when team's don't, is that considered a broken promise? As stated earlier, nothing is certain in sport. Saying something and doing it are two very different things. Criticise Taylor for not fixing the defence so far if you like, but don't hang the guy because he wasn't scared to come in acknowlege the elephant in the room that was our defence. Something no coach in the past has bothered addressing. Which is one of the reasons we've had such little success.

This is complete rubbish.

Where are the coaches quotes saying we are not focusing on defence from Sheens and Potter>??

JT just choose to make a big song and dance about it when he came bagging other coaches. He won the job based on his whole mantra around defence.

Thatswhy I remain totally unconvinved about him as a head coach. His number 1 goal coming intot he joint was to fix it and 2 years in we are 15th best. Turns out its harder to fix then he thought.

I only have to go back to our last game against Canberra. Everything on the line and we concede 50 at home.

Half a tick - he applied to get a job by pointing out the errors of the previous sacked coaches and providing a game plan to fix the well-known defensive issues?

Well paint my face surprised.

Of course he made a song and dance about it, it is so obvious to all football fans what the Tigers weaknesses are, and yes the solution is very complicated. Why is that a problem with JT but not his predecessors? Why did Mick Potter not get any results at all but people don't mind him - because he held his tongue a little more, didn't say exactly what he thought?

Don't get it.

Potter & Sheens didnt get rid of farah
JT did

 

[Tiger4life]

I'm sure every club's goal every year is to win the premiership. So when team's don't, is that considered a broken promise? As stated earlier, nothing is certain in sport. Saying something and doing it are two very different things. Criticise Taylor for not fixing the defence so far if you like, but don't hang the guy because he wasn't scared to come in acknowlege the elephant in the room that was our defence. Something no coach in the past has bothered addressing. Which is one of the reasons we've had such little success.

This is complete rubbish.

Where are the coaches quotes saying we are not focusing on defence from Sheens and Potter>??

JT just choose to make a big song and dance about it when he came bagging other coaches. He won the job based on his whole mantra around defence.

Thatswhy I remain totally unconvinved about him as a head coach. His number 1 goal coming intot he joint was to fix it and 2 years in we are 15th best. Turns out its harder to fix then he thought.

I only have to go back to our last game against Canberra. Everything on the line and we concede 50 at home.

Half a tick - he applied to get a job by pointing out the errors of the previous sacked coaches and providing a game plan to fix the well-known defensive issues?

Well paint my face surprised.

Of course he made a song and dance about it, it is so obvious to all football fans what the Tigers weaknesses are, and yes the solution is very complicated. Why is that a problem with JT but not his predecessors? Why did Mick Potter not get any results at all but people don't mind him - because he held his tongue a little more, didn't say exactly what he thought?

Don't get it.

Potter & Sheens didnt get rid of farah
JT did

You have a little obsession with Farah don't you. Not sure who you are more obsessed with Farah or JT.

 

[TrueTiger]

I think most don't like JT because he has taken a hard-line approach,getting rid of Farah,having very little cap to work with and telling all that our defense has been crap for years…everyone knows that these probs can't be fixed overnight...defense for instance,JT got them to play the so called Taylor ball for a reason,to learn defensive structures required in NRL, most of the players were learning and very inexperienced,he has now gathered new D coaches to help the team work around their defense which has been pretty ordinary for years ...I'm just pointing out that it wouldn't matter who came in at the time,they would not have sorted the mess out or got the team higher on the ladder than JT had them,its along and windy road to make it to the top...if JT gets them to a higher position than last year by playing better football all around,then we are progressing well in the right direction....I don't know JT and don't really care to,however he is our PRESENT coach and should be afforded the courtesy of doing his job until he has completed his tenure,no doubt he will have his critics its human nature,but he should get the opportunity to mould the team he can put together to be competitive at this level,he hasn't had much to work with.....

And if most don't think finishing just out of the 8 last year after the garbage that has gone on in the club in recent years...think again,it was a good year and we could see far better results next year..

 

[westTAHger]

If the defence, and having a accurate goal kicker with **at least 75 % accuracy** 😛ray: does not happen in season 2017, then once again it will be a season of so much promise, and so little delivered.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

Potter & Sheens didnt get rid of farah
JT did

Correct, but did Farah get rid of them? :deadhorse:

 

[matchball]

Potter & Sheens didnt get rid of farah
JT did

Correct, but did Farah get rid of them? :deadhorse:

Sheens I don't think so. Possibly had a hand.
Potter was a Farah victim. This is documented. Tallis gave him up for his white anting ways.

 

[innsaneink]

Potter & Sheens didnt get rid of farah
JT did

Correct, but did Farah get rid of them? :deadhorse:

Possibly… Probably... But that's not the point in my reply to Jirskyrs question about why people seemed ambivalent to sheens and potters average results yet are outraged by JTs.
It's personal for them... JT was the hatchet man who finally got rid of Farah.. they can't deal with that

 

[Geo]

Half a tick - he applied to get a job by pointing out the errors of the previous sacked coaches and providing a game plan to fix the well-known defensive issues?

Well paint my face surprised.

Of course he made a song and dance about it, it is so obvious to all football fans what the Tigers weaknesses are, and yes the solution is very complicated. Why is that a problem with JT but not his predecessors? Why did Mick Potter not get any results at all but people don't mind him - because he held his tongue a little more, didn't say exactly what he thought?

Don't get it.

Going with the promises theme..Potter promised "We need to earn the right to attack"…but I believe "he can't Coach"...

 

[Newtown]

2017 really is the bust year - Farah is gone and WT have another average coach Taylor will be gone as well. If that happens new problems emerge in 2018 include the serious one of finding the large amount of money to persuade a very competent coach to take over from Taylor. Round and round and round we go.