Top 4 or Bust...

[Tiger4life]

We just explained it's improved in parts

Blind indeed

Keep trying

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Ummmm… the argument is that JT never made a promise to fix our defence

Yep..correct

or didn't come out and make statements saying he would fix our defence. Your friend is saying just because he identified it andg talked about it, it doesn't mean he promised to fix it, he was just stating the obvious and never had a plan to do anything about it lol.
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We have improved our defence have we? Tell him again about our defence stats this year??

Now youre making s*** up
Cut the crap or go away
Once more just for you dopey, The attitude…which isnt measured in stats, improved somewhat, the goal line scramble improved also

NFI

I can vouch for that improved defensive attitude.
I definetly noticed it against the
Raiders , in what was one of our most important games of the year. :roll

Lol … the JT fan boys will be his fan boys no matter what.

It's not the defensive stats that matter according to some on here, its the defensive attitude that helped us finish 15th/16 teams in defence. I can't believe how stupir they sound and they will continue their argument. It's bewildering.

 

[upthetigers]

And if most don't think finishing just out of the 8 last year after the garbage that has gone on in the club in recent years…think again,it was a good year and we could see far better results next year..

Well it wasn't hard to improve on finishing 15th on the ladder. Not to be a debbie downer but I think the improvement this year basically came down to the brilliance of a few select players. Namely Teddy, Moses, Noffa and ET especially in his first few games with us. It would be easier being optimistic if it felt like a team effort (like against the Cowboys). We could improve next year, but so will other teams. I can't see the Roosters having another year like this one.

 

[TCL]

JT made no Promises, he just set our expectations! Unfortunately he and the team did not live up to the levels he set in the first year in anyway shape or form. In the second year their performances improved but our defensive stats didn't so much.

But lets not get down on each other, arguing over semantics.

It doesn't matter if he promised or not, it would be a key component of the coaching job and would be one of his goals - set by the board.

If he does well this year the club will offer him an extension, if he doesn't then it will be "see you later coach impersinator" !

 

[Eddie]

I'm sure every club's goal every year is to win the premiership. So when team's don't, is that considered a broken promise? As stated earlier, nothing is certain in sport. Saying something and doing it are two very different things. Criticise Taylor for not fixing the defence so far if you like, but don't hang the guy because he wasn't scared to come in acknowlege the elephant in the room that was our defence. Something no coach in the past has bothered addressing. Which is one of the reasons we've had such little success.

This is complete rubbish.

Where are the coaches quotes saying we are not focusing on defence from Sheens and Potter>??

JT just choose to make a big song and dance about it when he came bagging other coaches. He won the job based on his whole mantra around defence.

Thatswhy I remain totally unconvinved about him as a head coach. His number 1 goal coming intot he joint was to fix it and 2 years in we are 15th best. Turns out its harder to fix then he thought.

I only have to go back to our last game against Canberra. Everything on the line and we concede 50 at home.

Half a tick - he applied to get a job by pointing out the errors of the previous sacked coaches and providing a game plan to fix the well-known defensive issues?

Well paint my face surprised.

Of course he made a song and dance about it, it is so obvious to all football fans what the Tigers weaknesses are, and yes the solution is very complicated. Why is that a problem with JT but not his predecessors? Why did Mick Potter not get any results at all but people don't mind him - because he held his tongue a little more, didn't say exactly what he thought?

Don't get it.

Potter had the class not to bag Sheens and came across as a decent bloke.

Taylor's came across as the opposite so don't be so shocked that some Tigers fans can't cop him.

All talk, little action, so far.

 

[happy_tiger]

All still comes down to playing personnel

We picked up a fringe player in McIllwrick and Jamal Idris possibly an unknown quantity after a year out

Our backrow hasn't changed

If we improve it will because of the coaching personnel managing a poor squad

Simple as that

We won't improve until the playing personnel does

 

[jadtiger]

All still comes down to playing personnel

We picked up a fringe player in McIllwrick and Jamal Idris possibly an unknown quantity after a year out

Our backrow hasn't changed

If we improve it will because of the coaching personnel managing a poor squad

Simple as that

We won't improve until the playing personnel does

Our squad is ageing and maturing happy so improvement is definately on the cards WT are largely a young team.As you have stated backrow is a concern neither would be a starter at most teams.I always live in hope an expectation for next season.

 

[happy_tiger]

All still comes down to playing personnel

We picked up a fringe player in McIllwrick and Jamal Idris possibly an unknown quantity after a year out

Our backrow hasn't changed

If we improve it will because of the coaching personnel managing a poor squad

Simple as that

We won't improve until the playing personnel does

Our squad is ageing and maturing happy so improvement is definately on the cards WT are largely a young team.As you have stated backrow is a concern neither would be a starter at most teams.I always live in hope an expectation for next season.

I think many players are at the top level of their performance

Apart from Liddle ,Brooks and Idris we shouldn't be expecting too much improvement , maybe more consistency could be an expectation

 

[jadtiger]

All still comes down to playing personnel

We picked up a fringe player in McIllwrick and Jamal Idris possibly an unknown quantity after a year out

Our backrow hasn't changed

If we improve it will because of the coaching personnel managing a poor squad

Simple as that

We won't improve until the playing personnel does

Our squad is ageing and maturing happy so improvement is definately on the cards WT are largely a young team.As you have stated backrow is a concern neither would be a starter at most teams.I always live in hope an expectation for next season.

I think many players are at the top level of their performance

Apart from Liddle ,Brooks and Idris we shouldn't be expecting too much improvement , maybe more consistency could be an expectation

Lets hope so though i still think aloia and simona could improve next year.

 

[supercoach]

Iam not looking for individual improvement, as Happy said most players have hit their level of ability, but what I look for is team improvement. The NRL is a team game and far to often the focus is on individuals rather than the team. Whats the old saying, a champion team will beat a team of champions.

Anyway after three years of mainly the same squad of players we should be able to expect some quality team work in 2017

 

[Masterton]

I think many players are at the top level of their performance

Apart from Liddle ,Brooks and Idris we shouldn't be expecting too much improvement , maybe more consistency could be an expectation

Aloiai, Moses, Felise, IMHO. Maybe even Simona considering he was carrying injury.

 

[Geo]

Play week in week out like we did against the Cowgirls …No improvement on that is required...

A Team performance for a maturing side...

Consistency being the key..

 

[supercoach]

Play week in week out like we did against the Cowgirls …No improvement on that is required...

A Team performance for a maturing side...

Consistency being the key..

The word consistency and Westtigers has never gone together, except fora three month patch in 2005 we have never really shown any consistency. Mind you it seems most teams go through slumps, I guess it comes down to the fact the NRL is close to the hardest comp in the world

 

[palms]

I think most posters are on the right track here. We need consistency and with consistency will come self belief and confidence. Until we get that mentality ingrained into the players heads we will fumble year after year. We have shown we have the ability to challenge any team on a given day, ability is not as big a problem as some might think. The mental side of things is just as important as ability…maybe even more important.

 

[happy_tiger]

Play week in week out like we did against the Cowgirls …No improvement on that is required...

A Team performance for a maturing side...

Consistency being the key..

The word consistency and Westtigers has never gone together, except fora three month patch in 2005 we have never really shown any consistency. Mind you it seems most teams go through slumps, I guess it comes down to the fact the NRL is close to the hardest comp in the world

We also need to stop getting lapped 3-4 times a season

Doesn't happen to Top 4 sides

 

[Eddie]

All still comes down to playing personnel

We picked up a fringe player in McIllwrick and Jamal Idris possibly an unknown quantity after a year out

Our backrow hasn't changed

If we improve it will because of the coaching personnel managing a poor squad

Simple as that

We won't improve until the playing personnel does

So basically if the team improves its all JT

But if they go backwards its all the players.

Poor Squad?

Not for mine. We have talent. Not Top 4 talent but enough to make the 8 after finishing 9th last year. A lot of young players with improvement left in them.

 

[happy_tiger]

All still comes down to playing personnel

We picked up a fringe player in McIllwrick and Jamal Idris possibly an unknown quantity after a year out

Our backrow hasn't changed

If we improve it will because of the coaching personnel managing a poor squad

Simple as that

We won't improve until the playing personnel does

So basically if the team improves its all JT

But if they go backwards its all the players.

Poor Squad?

Not for mine. We have talent. Not Top 4 talent but enough to make the 8 after finishing 9th last year. A lot of young players with improvement left in them.

I know we finished in 9th in 2016 but that is ancient history

With Parra's situation and the Roosters demise we in real terms probably start the 2017 season as the 11th ranked team

To make the 8 our defence will have to improve greatly and seeing we still have the majority of the squad that oversaw the many defensive debacles from 2016 it will be the hard work of the coaching personnel and the players as a whole

You brought up JT , I didn't , yet I'm the Taylor lover …... :crazy

 

[Eddie]

All still comes down to playing personnel

We picked up a fringe player in McIllwrick and Jamal Idris possibly an unknown quantity after a year out

Our backrow hasn't changed

If we improve it will because of the coaching personnel managing a poor squad

Simple as that

We won't improve until the playing personnel does

So basically if the team improves its all JT

But if they go backwards its all the players.

Poor Squad?

Not for mine. We have talent. Not Top 4 talent but enough to make the 8 after finishing 9th last year. A lot of young players with improvement left in them.

I know we finished in 9th in 2016 but that is ancient history

With Parra's situation and the Roosters demise we in real terms probably start the 2017 season as the 11th ranked team

To make the 8 our defence will have to improve greatly and seeing we still have the majority of the squad that oversaw the many defensive debacles from 2016 it will be the hard work of the coaching personnel and the players as a whole

You brought up JT , I didn't , yet I'm the Taylor lover …... :crazy

I just thought it was a pretty sweeping statement to say if we improve it will only because of "coaching personnel" . Implying if we go backwards it would be because our squad dud anyway.

Built in excuses I don't think are there for players and coaching this year. We need to to back up all the talks and make the finals. Taylor said it plenty of times himself last year that we have a good squad and we should be further up the ladder. I don't know why so many people want to give him an out that he himself doesn't even give himself.

 

[innsaneink]

All still comes down to playing personnel

We picked up a fringe player in McIllwrick and Jamal Idris possibly an unknown quantity after a year out

Our backrow hasn't changed

If we improve it will because of the coaching personnel managing a poor squad

Simple as that

We won't improve until the playing personnel does

So basically if the team improves its all JT

But if they go backwards its all the players.

Poor Squad?

Not for mine. We have talent. Not Top 4 talent but enough to make the 8 after finishing 9th last year. **<big>A lot of young players with improvement left in them</big>**.

I agree…and they really only have to improve defensively, 50% of the game...if they do, the natural attacking aspect will look after itself, its much easier to attack when your defense is firm
No more excuses....

 

[Eddie]

I agree ink.

I don't think you say say 50 games in the players career that they have reached their level. Maybe a journeyman like Grant, Kev, have. However not many others.

I think 50-60 games in, thats exactly when you should expect more consistent and tougher performances.

The likes of Lawrence is a player that has peaked and has little improvement in him i would say. However even he is new to his position.

We have young players that can improve in plenty of areas.

Now its up to the coaches and the players themselves to put it together.

 

[happy_tiger]

All still comes down to playing personnel

We picked up a fringe player in McIllwrick and Jamal Idris possibly an unknown quantity after a year out

Our backrow hasn't changed

If we improve it will because of the coaching personnel managing a poor squad

Simple as that

We won't improve until the playing personnel does

So basically if the team improves its all JT

But if they go backwards its all the players.

Poor Squad?

Not for mine. We have talent. Not Top 4 talent but enough to make the 8 after finishing 9th last year. **<big>A lot of young players with improvement left in them</big>**.

I agree…and they really only have to improve defensively, 50% of the game...if they do, the natural attacking aspect will look after itself, its much easier to attack when your defense is firm
No more excuses....

If fixing our defence was so easy Sheens should of been able to manage it years ago and JT wouldn't have two defensive coaches in 2017

Moses and Tedesco won't improve greatly and I can't see our forwards improving or taking huge strides forward

Opposition sides don't respect us and our 2017 recruitment won't have anyone shaking in their boots