Twal's a Beast

[voice_of_reason]

Gees, how bad was the effort by Manly's hooker in that run? Got fended off twice and showed no urgency at all.

DCE was even worse, he gave up.

 

[tigerap]

he is our best front rower…hope he develops his offload in 2019.....and we resign him long term

 

[Russell]

The Twal/Sue combination was the difference. We looked okay when those two were on. When the other two props were on we went backwards.

You must have missed the last twenty minutes.

 

[hobbo]

Gees, how bad was the effort by Manly's hooker in that run? Got fended off twice and showed no urgency at all.

DCE was even worse, he gave up.

I thought the same !

I was thinking that DCE would’ve run Twal down !

 

[jirskyr]

The problem with the workers is we seem to have too many. Too many guys who aim to do 40+ tackles and not enough who bend the line.

Is it to much to ask for a player who can do both? Like most other clubs…

Well for starters, that strategy has yielded the 3rd-best defence in the comp. Yes we have lacked for attack in 2018 and that's probably also a result of having more workers than flashy footballers. But I support the coach trying to get the defence right first, for the first time in probably 10 years.

Guys who bend the line and make heaps of tackles at other clubs - who are they exactly? Fonua Blake was tough to contain last night but not as if he's a defensive powerhouse. Who else? Marty Taupau, Taumololo, Boyd Cordner… ok so fair enough we'd like more Origin-level forwards in our side, can't argue with that.

We also have to consider how they are coached, because there is something of instruction involved in the way we play. We certainly could barge the ball up full-speed every tackle, but most of our forwards don't, and it is possible that some of that is in the coach's instructions and not just the lack of venom. We make metres in many sets, I don't think our territory has been a huge issue.

More the issue as I see it is a lack of pace / options at the point end of the field. Johns said last night we don't attack the line fast enough, but he was talking about the backs not the forwards. Chris Lawrence is a good attacking forward because he runs great lines and is always ready for the kick - but he's got a rare footballing brain, his ability to read the movement of defensive lines.

Don't get me wrong I'd love higher-quality forwards at the club, but I don't believe it's the particular lack of ability from the forwards we have. Rather it's the lack of consistent energy that troubles us, a lack of consistent intensity from everyone in the forwards at the same time.

Twal was great last night, but Cleary started him against the Titans and he was destroyed. Work in progress.

 

[avocadoontoast]

The Twal/Sue combination was the difference. We looked okay when those two were on. When the other two props were on we went backwards.

You must have missed the last twenty minutes.

Packer and Matulino were there in the final 20 mins when Manly scored 2 tries…

 

[Tim Sheens]

Great game from Alex, who stepped up his tempo from previous games. Mats had a rare off game, looking to be struggling in his midsection at times.

 

[Russell]

The Twal/Sue combination was the difference. We looked okay when those two were on. When the other two props were on we went backwards.

You must have missed the last twenty minutes.

Packer and Matulino were there in the final 20 mins when Manly scored 2 tries…

And they would have scored a few more if they were not there.

 

[newtiger]

I wish that he would develop an off load.

Mbye says hello

I was suggesting from his hit up's, he gets himself in a good position to off load most times.

 

[tiger_scott]

The problem with the workers is we seem to have too many. Too many guys who aim to do 40+ tackles and not enough who bend the line.

Is it to much to ask for a player who can do both? Like most other clubs…

Well for starters, that strategy has yielded the 3rd-best defence in the comp. Yes we have lacked for attack in 2018 and that's probably also a result of having more workers than flashy footballers. But I support the coach trying to get the defence right first, for the first time in probably 10 years.

Guys who bend the line and make heaps of tackles at other clubs - who are they exactly? Fonua Blake was tough to contain last night but not as if he's a defensive powerhouse. Who else? Marty Taupau, Taumololo, Boyd Cordner… ok so fair enough we'd like more Origin-level forwards in our side, can't argue with that.

We also have to consider how they are coached, because there is something of instruction involved in the way we play. We certainly could barge the ball up full-speed every tackle, but most of our forwards don't, and it is possible that some of that is in the coach's instructions and not just the lack of venom. We make metres in many sets, I don't think our territory has been a huge issue.

More the issue as I see it is a lack of pace / options at the point end of the field. Johns said last night we don't attack the line fast enough, but he was talking about the backs not the forwards. Chris Lawrence is a good attacking forward because he runs great lines and is always ready for the kick - but he's got a rare footballing brain, his ability to read the movement of defensive lines.

Don't get me wrong I'd love higher-quality forwards at the club, but I don't believe it's the particular lack of ability from the forwards we have. Rather it's the lack of consistent energy that troubles us, a lack of consistent intensity from everyone in the forwards at the same time.

Twal was great last night, but Cleary started him against the Titans and he was destroyed. Work in progress.

This post is spot on! We do need a replacement for Sue, perhaps two, another good 2nd rower to join Lawrence, but our biggest shortfall is speed in the backs. Perhaps if Bolt doesn't work out for the Mariners he can come and have a run on our flank?!?

 

[Russell]

The problem with the workers is we seem to have too many. Too many guys who aim to do 40+ tackles and not enough who bend the line.

Is it to much to ask for a player who can do both? Like most other clubs…

Well for starters, that strategy has yielded the 3rd-best defence in the comp. Yes we have lacked for attack in 2018 and that's probably also a result of having more workers than flashy footballers. But I support the coach trying to get the defence right first, for the first time in probably 10 years.

Guys who bend the line and make heaps of tackles at other clubs - who are they exactly? Fonua Blake was tough to contain last night but not as if he's a defensive powerhouse. Who else? Marty Taupau, Taumololo, Boyd Cordner… ok so fair enough we'd like more Origin-level forwards in our side, can't argue with that.

We also have to consider how they are coached, because there is something of instruction involved in the way we play. We certainly could barge the ball up full-speed every tackle, but most of our forwards don't, and it is possible that some of that is in the coach's instructions and not just the lack of venom. We make metres in many sets, I don't think our territory has been a huge issue.

More the issue as I see it is a lack of pace / options at the point end of the field. Johns said last night we don't attack the line fast enough, but he was talking about the backs not the forwards. Chris Lawrence is a good attacking forward because he runs great lines and is always ready for the kick - but he's got a rare footballing brain, his ability to read the movement of defensive lines.

Don't get me wrong I'd love higher-quality forwards at the club, but I don't believe it's the particular lack of ability from the forwards we have. Rather it's the lack of consistent energy that troubles us, a lack of consistent intensity from everyone in the forwards at the same time.

Twal was great last night, but Cleary started him against the Titans and he was destroyed. Work in progress.

This post is spot on! We do need a replacement for Sue, perhaps two, another good 2nd rower to join Lawrence, but our biggest shortfall is speed in the backs. Perhaps if Bolt doesn't work out for the Mariners he can come and have a run on our flank?!?

We've tried stuff like that before - absolute disaster.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Missed him last week.

 

[Harvey]

Exactly. Beats me why Eiso is even in the team. Zero impact running the ball.

He covered many first up misses by team mates which had the potential to result in tries. Until his team mates learn to make their tackles stick, we need him.

Huth made 57 tackles , says enough imo

Yeah but his carry’s are like what you’d see from an office worker .

As an office worker, I take offence to that

 

[avocadoontoast]

The Twal/Sue combination was the difference. We looked okay when those two were on. When the other two props were on we went backwards.

You must have missed the last twenty minutes.

Packer and Matulino were there in the final 20 mins when Manly scored 2 tries…

And they would have scored a few more if they were not there.

So they never scored with Twal and Sue there and they scored twice with Packer and Matulino there but it’s lucky Packer and Matulino were there instead of Twal and Sue in the final 20 mins because they would have scored more.

That’s some dynamite logic there Russell.

 

[Spartan117]

Great young player.

 

[TopTiger]

Saw him in Five Dock recently coming out of a barber shop and his build reminded me of Pat Jarvis not a huge forward but looked ripped. Will only get better over the next few years and he has already proven to be an astute buy.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

Who needs Tedesco when we have Twal?🤗

 

[hodgo]

The Twal/Sue combination was the difference. We looked okay when those two were on. When the other two props were on we went backwards.

You must have missed the last twenty minutes.

Agree rus thats a horrible call from old mate

 

[Tigrr]

I think that Twal and Aloiai are both very young and that Cleary is bringing them along slowly until they can dominate a game. I think that is why they have had limited game time

 

[TigerSJ]

I don't agree that it's more about faster backs. Sure we need speed in the backs, but in order to be able to use it, we also need to win the ruck, we need momentum, we need to get a roll on. You need to have forwards that can get through the advantage line not simply surrender meekly and lose the ruck resulting in a slow ptb. It is obviously much easier to make yardage when the other team is backpeddling.
To win NRL games you must have that intensity in both A and D and that is driven by the forwards. Our guys for the most part are generally slow and lack intensity. We fell off a lot of tackles last night. In my view, WTs need an injection of 2-3 tough, hard running forwards of the style of Tapau to bolster our current pack.