Unfiltered: Chris Lawrence

[cochise]

We play a different style of footy when we go the Rowdy's side

We get him early ball , because when we try and play flat and give the ball to him in traffic invariably he loses it

Try and deny that …..

Well "invariably losing" it is a pretty wide statement. Sometimes loses it. I couldn't be bothered looking up his error rate, what point does it serve because you are operating from impressions rather than figures, but I wouldn't be surprised if his dropped-ball rate is consistent with similar players. I certainly have a strong impression of Matt Gillett dropping a lot of face-balls at the Broncos last year.

I won't argue I have the impression of Rowdy dropping a decent number of balls, to the extent it was a negative part of his game, but I wasn't consciously tallying the passes or whether other backrowers do the same. Aloiai dropped a lot of footy too, but I mentally let him off because of his inexperience.

What I will say is a definite opinion of mine is Brooks throws a lot of bad passes and the entire left side attack struggles with trying to catch balls in the teeth of the defence. Simona has had issues too. Right side Moses tends to pass behind players if he makes an error. Benji used to throw a lot of speculators at Rowdy as well (by that I mean plays that were perhaps not on), but they were better passes than what Brooks throws; I don't recall Rowdy dropping so many even if he got smashed a lot trying to catch them.

Lawrance made 12 errors at a rate of 0.6 errors per game

Gillett made 11 errors at a rate of 0.5 per game

 

[king_sirro]

Lol this is getting bad Happy. Nearly every effort you have made to show Lawrence is at a lower rate than the top backrowers has come back to but you with the actual stats. But i have a feeling you wont give up. Im not a stats man myself but these figures have made for some interesting reading. Its confirmed for me that Chris Lawrences first half of 2016 had him up there with the best backrowers in the comp.

I disagree Happy that we play a different style when going to Chris' side. Brooks goes short at the line to Chris more than what Mitch does on the right side.

 

[cochise]

Lol this is getting bad Happy. Nearly every effort you have made to show Lawrence is at a lower rate than the top backrowers has come back to but you with the actual stats. But i have a feeling you wont give up. Im not a stats man myself but these figures have made for some interesting reading. Its confirmed for me that Chris Lawrences first half of 2016 had him up there with the best backrowers in the comp.

I disagree Happy that we play a different style when going to Chris' side. Brooks goes short at the line to Chris more than what Mitch does on the right side.

Chris' error rate is higher than some of the other 2nd rowers playing, a lot of the 2nd rowers are around the 0.3, 0.4 errors per game.

I agree that he had a very strong start to the year and really believe he will maintain that level for a lot longer this year. Look for his footwork at the line to really cause some teams difficulty throughout 2017

 

[Geo]

Lol this is getting bad Happy. Nearly every effort you have made to show Lawrence is at a lower rate than the top backrowers has come back to but you with the actual stats. But i have a feeling you wont give up. Im not a stats man myself but these figures have made for some interesting reading. Its confirmed for me that Chris Lawrences first half of 2016 had him up there with the best backrowers in the comp.

I disagree Happy that we play a different style when going to Chris' side. Brooks goes short at the line to Chris more than what Mitch does on the right side.

What is funny is happy thinks Rowdy is a bench utility at best..his days of a back are well and truly over..that is by his own admission…so not sure what utility value he could add...

It's OK though..Next happy will go with his other wacky idea of playing Rowdy at 6..Moses to 7 ...Brooks to bench or ISP..

 

[greatodensraven]

Rowdy for PM!

 

[Tim Sheens]

We play a different style of footy when we go the Rowdy's side

We get him early ball , because when we try and play flat and give the ball to him in traffic invariably he loses it

Try and deny that …..

Well "invariably losing" it is a pretty wide statement. Sometimes loses it. I couldn't be bothered looking up his error rate, what point does it serve because you are operating from impressions rather than figures, but I wouldn't be surprised if his dropped-ball rate is consistent with similar players. I certainly have a strong impression of Matt Gillett dropping a lot of face-balls at the Broncos last year.

I won't argue I have the impression of Rowdy dropping a decent number of balls, to the extent it was a negative part of his game, but I wasn't consciously tallying the passes or whether other backrowers do the same. Aloiai dropped a lot of footy too, but I mentally let him off because of his inexperience.

What I will say is a definite opinion of mine is Brooks throws a lot of bad passes and the entire left side attack struggles with trying to catch balls in the teeth of the defence. Simona has had issues too. Right side Moses tends to pass behind players if he makes an error. Benji used to throw a lot of speculators at Rowdy as well (by that I mean plays that were perhaps not on), but they were better passes than what Brooks throws; I don't recall Rowdy dropping so many even if he got smashed a lot trying to catch them.

Lawrance made 12 errors at a rate of 0.6 errors per game

Gillett made 11 errors at a rate of 0.5 per game

So the options left for criticising Rowdy seem to be running thin, so can anyone help Happy out with a few straws to continue his clutching, or even better provide some obscure stat to make him feel better? :slight_smile:

 

[happy_tiger]

We play a different style of footy when we go the Rowdy's side

We get him early ball , because when we try and play flat and give the ball to him in traffic invariably he loses it

Try and deny that …..

Well "invariably losing" it is a pretty wide statement. Sometimes loses it. I couldn't be bothered looking up his error rate, what point does it serve because you are operating from impressions rather than figures, but I wouldn't be surprised if his dropped-ball rate is consistent with similar players. I certainly have a strong impression of Matt Gillett dropping a lot of face-balls at the Broncos last year.

I won't argue I have the impression of Rowdy dropping a decent number of balls, to the extent it was a negative part of his game, but I wasn't consciously tallying the passes or whether other backrowers do the same. Aloiai dropped a lot of footy too, but I mentally let him off because of his inexperience.

What I will say is a definite opinion of mine is Brooks throws a lot of bad passes and the entire left side attack struggles with trying to catch balls in the teeth of the defence. Simona has had issues too. Right side Moses tends to pass behind players if he makes an error. Benji used to throw a lot of speculators at Rowdy as well (by that I mean plays that were perhaps not on), but they were better passes than what Brooks throws; I don't recall Rowdy dropping so many even if he got smashed a lot trying to catch them.

So based on all the facts Rowdy will be the first back rower picked for NSW

All I know he doesn't really have any pros as a back rower but he has some cons

This is why this club goes nowhere , we need to start easing up on the no DH policy and buy some players that opposition players think "Oh No we play the WT's this weekend , gonna be sore for a few days after this "

Instead of "Oh Look the third bye has just arrived , looking forward to the touch footy "

 

[king_sirro]

We play a different style of footy when we go the Rowdy's side

We get him early ball , because when we try and play flat and give the ball to him in traffic invariably he loses it

Try and deny that …..

Well "invariably losing" it is a pretty wide statement. Sometimes loses it. I couldn't be bothered looking up his error rate, what point does it serve because you are operating from impressions rather than figures, but I wouldn't be surprised if his dropped-ball rate is consistent with similar players. I certainly have a strong impression of Matt Gillett dropping a lot of face-balls at the Broncos last year.

I won't argue I have the impression of Rowdy dropping a decent number of balls, to the extent it was a negative part of his game, but I wasn't consciously tallying the passes or whether other backrowers do the same. Aloiai dropped a lot of footy too, but I mentally let him off because of his inexperience.

What I will say is a definite opinion of mine is Brooks throws a lot of bad passes and the entire left side attack struggles with trying to catch balls in the teeth of the defence. Simona has had issues too. Right side Moses tends to pass behind players if he makes an error. Benji used to throw a lot of speculators at Rowdy as well (by that I mean plays that were perhaps not on), but they were better passes than what Brooks throws; I don't recall Rowdy dropping so many even if he got smashed a lot trying to catch them.

So based on all the facts Rowdy will be the first back rower picked for NSW

All I know he doesn't really have any pros as a back rower but he has some cons

This is why this club goes nowhere , we need to start easing up on the no DH policy and buy some players that opposition players think "Oh No we play the WT's this weekend , gonna be sore for a few days after this "

Instead of "Oh Look the third bye has just arrived , looking forward to the touch footy "

Your losing it Happy of you cant see any pros at all in Lawrences game as a backrower.

Pros:
Speed
Hole running
Power
Hit and stick defence
Will be improved after his first full year in position
Work ethic.

Cons:
Yet to prove to be effective 80 minute player
Hands let him down at times.

 

[Geo]

lol…

Luke Lewis comes to mind...

 

[happy_tiger]

We play a different style of footy when we go the Rowdy's side

We get him early ball , because when we try and play flat and give the ball to him in traffic invariably he loses it

Try and deny that …..

Well "invariably losing" it is a pretty wide statement. Sometimes loses it. I couldn't be bothered looking up his error rate, what point does it serve because you are operating from impressions rather than figures, but I wouldn't be surprised if his dropped-ball rate is consistent with similar players. I certainly have a strong impression of Matt Gillett dropping a lot of face-balls at the Broncos last year.

I won't argue I have the impression of Rowdy dropping a decent number of balls, to the extent it was a negative part of his game, but I wasn't consciously tallying the passes or whether other backrowers do the same. Aloiai dropped a lot of footy too, but I mentally let him off because of his inexperience.

What I will say is a definite opinion of mine is Brooks throws a lot of bad passes and the entire left side attack struggles with trying to catch balls in the teeth of the defence. Simona has had issues too. Right side Moses tends to pass behind players if he makes an error. Benji used to throw a lot of speculators at Rowdy as well (by that I mean plays that were perhaps not on), but they were better passes than what Brooks throws; I don't recall Rowdy dropping so many even if he got smashed a lot trying to catch them.

So based on all the facts Rowdy will be the first back rower picked for NSW

All I know he doesn't really have any pros as a back rower but he has some cons

This is why this club goes nowhere , we need to start easing up on the no DH policy and buy some players that opposition players think "Oh No we play the WT's this weekend , gonna be sore for a few days after this "

Instead of "Oh Look the third bye has just arrived , looking forward to the touch footy "

Your losing it Happy of you cant see any pros at all in Lawrences game as a backrower.

Pros:
Speed
Hole running
Power
Hit and stick defence
Will be improved after his first full year in position
Work ethic.

Cons:
Yet to prove to be effective 80 minute player
Hands let him down at times.

Mate he is a solid player , we have enough solid players

We need a backrow with grunt

Every man and his dog has been saying the same thing for how many years , we need a good backrow

 

[king_sirro]

I agree with your overall assessment we need more in the backrow. But your harshness on Lawrence i dont agree with.

A world class backrower to go with him would be very nice.

 

[Needaname]

Well "invariably losing" it is a pretty wide statement. Sometimes loses it. I couldn't be bothered looking up his error rate, what point does it serve because you are operating from impressions rather than figures, but I wouldn't be surprised if his dropped-ball rate is consistent with similar players. I certainly have a strong impression of Matt Gillett dropping a lot of face-balls at the Broncos last year.

I won't argue I have the impression of Rowdy dropping a decent number of balls, to the extent it was a negative part of his game, but I wasn't consciously tallying the passes or whether other backrowers do the same. Aloiai dropped a lot of footy too, but I mentally let him off because of his inexperience.

What I will say is a definite opinion of mine is Brooks throws a lot of bad passes and the entire left side attack struggles with trying to catch balls in the teeth of the defence. Simona has had issues too. Right side Moses tends to pass behind players if he makes an error. Benji used to throw a lot of speculators at Rowdy as well (by that I mean plays that were perhaps not on), but they were better passes than what Brooks throws; I don't recall Rowdy dropping so many even if he got smashed a lot trying to catch them.

So based on all the facts Rowdy will be the first back rower picked for NSW

All I know he doesn't really have any pros as a back rower but he has some cons

This is why this club goes nowhere , we need to start easing up on the no DH policy and buy some players that opposition players think "Oh No we play the WT's this weekend , gonna be sore for a few days after this "

Instead of "Oh Look the third bye has just arrived , looking forward to the touch footy "

Your losing it Happy of you cant see any pros at all in Lawrences game as a backrower.

Pros:
Speed
Hole running
Power
Hit and stick defence
Will be improved after his first full year in position
Work ethic.

Cons:
Yet to prove to be effective 80 minute player
Hands let him down at times.

Mate he is a solid player , we have enough solid players

We need a backrow with grunt

Every man and his dog has been saying the same thing for how many years , we need a good backrow

Answer me this,
Out of Yeo, Cartwright, Fish and Akoula.
Who would you have starting?
Tell me who plays with grunt between Yeo and Cartright because I can guarantee you they'LL be the backrowers picked. With I would say Fish to get a bench impact spot and Akoula to drop out.

 

[Harvey]

Lol this is getting bad Happy. Nearly every effort you have made to show Lawrence is at a lower rate than the top backrowers has come back to but you with the actual stats. But i have a feeling you wont give up. Im not a stats man myself but these figures have made for some interesting reading. Its confirmed for me that Chris Lawrences first half of 2016 had him up there with the best backrowers in the comp.

I disagree Happy that we play a different style when going to Chris' side. Brooks goes short at the line to Chris more than what Mitch does on the right side.

Moses also goes to the line and drawing in defenders to create a hole for the bloke running off him. Brooks passes at the line and often his runners are hit as they get the ball.