Unfiltered: Chris Lawrence

[Harvey]

Yeh i agree. Its difficult not having 80 minute backrowers.

Im not sure what the answer is. The only guy i see getting through 80 on the edge is Elijah. But like we talked about previously, is he big enough and will we miss his workrate in the middle too much???

Life would be easier with an 80 minute hooker IMO.

Don't get me wrong ,love the bloke and I was there for his debut and then saw the boys at the airport the next morning seeing my little sis back off to Mexico

But we can't carry him after 2017 , we need a 105-110 kg backrower who can make 35+ tackles and 100 + metres with some line breaks if required and dint the line in the red zone

I can't remember the last time Rowdy broke the line and got open ….

Josh Aloiai? I don't see why we can't have one Rowdy-type frame in second-row, decent motor, good lines, good 1-1 defender, smart football brain.

Lawrence averaged 95m and 27 tackles per game in 2016\. It's not the 100 m and 35 tackles you want, but I took a quick look at the top backrowers and NOBODY gets those kind of stats. If they make metres they don't do so many tackles and vice versa.

Cordner 142 m 27 tackles
Jackson 92 m 35 tackles
Greg Eastwood 79 m 23 tackles (just to look at a big unit backrower)
Wade Graham 122 m 27 tackles
Frizell 95 m 34 tackles
Gillett 80 m 39 tackles
Thaiday 86 m 25 tackles
Elliott Whitehead 81 m 39 tackles

Lawrence compares favourably enough with the above footballers, whilst not being generally considered as good as most of them. Actually apart from Cordner and Graham, Rowdy's average metres are quite strong and Graham gets a lot of ball out-wide in the backline, which I feel pushes up his metres.

Anyway not saying he's got the mix right just yet, but I don't see why he can't be an effective contributor with solid defence, willingness to take hitups and effectiveness in backline hole running.

Most of the players you listed would have at least one line break a game , when was Rowdy's last line break ??

And he hits the hole yes , but doesn't dint the line anymore , he lacks the size ,power and speed to do so

He had 6 line breaks, 29 tackle breaks and 2 try assists last year

 

[happy_tiger]

Don't get me wrong ,love the bloke and I was there for his debut and then saw the boys at the airport the next morning seeing my little sis back off to Mexico

But we can't carry him after 2017 , we need a 105-110 kg backrower who can make 35+ tackles and 100 + metres with some line breaks if required and dint the line in the red zone

I can't remember the last time Rowdy broke the line and got open ….

Josh Aloiai? I don't see why we can't have one Rowdy-type frame in second-row, decent motor, good lines, good 1-1 defender, smart football brain.

Lawrence averaged 95m and 27 tackles per game in 2016\. It's not the 100 m and 35 tackles you want, but I took a quick look at the top backrowers and NOBODY gets those kind of stats. If they make metres they don't do so many tackles and vice versa.

Cordner 142 m 27 tackles
Jackson 92 m 35 tackles
Greg Eastwood 79 m 23 tackles (just to look at a big unit backrower)
Wade Graham 122 m 27 tackles
Frizell 95 m 34 tackles
Gillett 80 m 39 tackles
Thaiday 86 m 25 tackles
Elliott Whitehead 81 m 39 tackles

Lawrence compares favourably enough with the above footballers, whilst not being generally considered as good as most of them. Actually apart from Cordner and Graham, Rowdy's average metres are quite strong and Graham gets a lot of ball out-wide in the backline, which I feel pushes up his metres.

Anyway not saying he's got the mix right just yet, but I don't see why he can't be an effective contributor with solid defence, willingness to take hitups and effectiveness in backline hole running.

Most of the players you listed would have at least one line break a game , when was Rowdy's last line break ??

And he hits the hole yes , but doesn't dint the line anymore , he lacks the size ,power and speed to do so

He had 6 line breaks, 29 tackle breaks and 2 try assists last year

Bloody hell , Taumalolo would of had those stats in one half of footy ( well maybe not the 29 tackle breaks , but you get my point )

 

[Geo]

Most of the players you listed would have at least one line break a game , when was Rowdy's last line break ??

And he hits the hole yes , but doesn't dint the line anymore , he lacks the size ,power and speed to do so

1 a game hey…

Line break Season Totals

Cordner 9 LB
Jackson 3 LB
Greg Eastwood 2 LB
Wade Graham 4 LB
Frizell 1 LB
Gillett 4 LB
Thaiday 3 LB
Elliott Whitehead 5 LB

Rowdy 6 LB

https://www.totalfootystats.com.au/nrl-player-stats

 

[Nelson]

Cordner 142 m 27 tackles
Jackson 92 m 35 tackles
Greg Eastwood 79 m 23 tackles (just to look at a big unit backrower)
Wade Graham 122 m 27 tackles
Frizell 95 m 34 tackles
Gillett 80 m 39 tackles
Thaiday 86 m 25 tackles
Elliott Whitehead 81 m 39 tackles

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Most of the players you listed would have at least one line break a game , when was Rowdy's last line break ??

Wade Graham - 5 line breaks at 0.2 per game
Gillett - 4 line breaks at 0.2 per game
Thaiday - 4 line breaks at 0.2 per game
Eastwood - 2 line breaks at 0.1 per game
Jackson - 3 line breaks at 0.1 per game
Cordner - 7 line breaks at 0.6 per game
Frizell - 1 line break at 0.1 per game
Whitehead - 6 line breaks at 0.2 per game
Papalii - 9 line breaks at 0.4 per game
Taumalolo - 11 line breaks at 0.4 per game
Chris Lawrence - 6 line breaks at 0.3 per game

 

[happy_tiger]

Cordner 142 m 27 tackles
Jackson 92 m 35 tackles
Greg Eastwood 79 m 23 tackles (just to look at a big unit backrower)
Wade Graham 122 m 27 tackles
Frizell 95 m 34 tackles
Gillett 80 m 39 tackles
Thaiday 86 m 25 tackles
Elliott Whitehead 81 m 39 tackles

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Most of the players you listed would have at least one line break a game , when was Rowdy's last line break ??

Wade Graham - 5 line breaks at 0.2 per game
Gillett - 4 line breaks at 0.2 per game
Thaiday - 4 line breaks at 0.2 per game
Eastwood - 2 line breaks at 0.1 per game
Jackson - 3 line breaks at 0.1 per game
Cordner - 7 line breaks at 0.6 per game
Frizell - 1 line break at 0.1 per game
Whitehead - 6 line breaks at 0.2 per game
Papalii - 9 line breaks at 0.4 per game
Taumalolo - 11 line breaks at 0.4 per game
Chris Lawrence - 6 line breaks at 0.3 per game

Yeah but you can't include the line breaks he made at training and then he has to hang onto the ball afterwards as well

 

[Geo]

Soft…

Leave happy Alone...

 

[happy_tiger]

Soft…

Leave happy Alone...

One minute your defending him from the roof top , next you call him soft

You lose me a lot Geo

Its like I'm offering a schizophrenic hitchhiker a lift

 

[cochise]

Nothing negative about this guy. Very classy.

And I dont care what anyone says, THE best line runner in the game.

Best line runner and best one on one hitter.

I think most of us, myself included have forgotten his first half of the year in 2016\. He was great. Like Geo said, it took its toll on him later in the year and thats because he was poorly managed by Taylor. Most of us just remember that he wasnt great late in the year. Physically he wasnt up to playing 80 minutes week in week out in the backrow. When he was fresh early in the season he was the form backrower in the competition. I think he may just surprise a few people this year. Especially if he isnt made to play 80 minutes. Can you imagine his hole running on the edge if we can learn to win the ruck? He would be a weapon. And when fresh, there wouldnt be a better protector of our halves defensively.

I am a self confessed Lawrance fan! Always have been and I am very glad the club stuck with him throughout the years after his injury. He is developing nicely as a backrower and I really believe that his footwork at the line is going to cause some teams a lot of problems late in games in 2017\. He was already starting to dominate games in the final 20 minutes early last season with his footwork, but as others have said he tired as the season progressed. I see him lifting on his performance of last year and maintaining it deep into the season.

 

[cochise]

I really do believe that Chris is going to have a big year this year, I was worried about his move to the 2nd row as it really was his last chance at the Tigers. He was excellent in the 1st half of 2016 and showed he can make it in the forwards, rewatch some of the early games from last year and look at his footwork at the defensive line late in each half. He is very difficult for tiring forwards to contain.

 

[Geo]

Soft…

Leave happy Alone...

One minute your defending him from the roof top , next you call him soft

You lose me a lot Geo

Its like I'm offering a schizophrenic hitchhiker a lift

Well that's not hard is it..

Your above post was soft..when confronted with facts you went with dribble ..so I asked people to leave you alone..

 

[jirskyr]

Rowdy's stats are surprisingly robust. Goes to show sometimes impressions are prejudiced by human memory, whether intentional or not, are not always born out in the data.

Or there will be the counter argument: "you can quote all the stats you want, but I know what I saw".

 

[Needaname]

The answer.

You want tamalolo?
Play Aloia in the middle.
Has the size, strength etc.
Also will not get caught out latterly like he did this year on the edge.
You'd probably find hill have a better motor then tamalolo

You want better defence, in the edges?
Play ET left,
Will respond better to brooks hospital balls.
Toughen up that side of the field.
Bring more ball playing to brooks and get Simona the ball early.

Play Lawrence right,
Will actually break the line off Moses passes,
Kevin Naiguama does!
Also with his previous positional play in the centres, will help out the right side imencely.

 

[greatodensraven]

The answer.

You want tamalolo?
Play Aloia in the middle.
Has the size, strength etc.
Also will not get caught out latterly like he did this year on the edge.
You'd probably find hill have a better motor then tamalolo

You want better defence, in the edges?
Play ET left,
Will respond better to brooks hospital balls.
Toughen up that side of the field.
Bring more ball playing to brooks and get Simona the ball early.

Play Lawrence right,
Will actually break the line off Moses passes,
Kevin Naiguama does!
Also with his previous positional play in the centres, will help out the right side imencely.

x 2 re. Aloiai to the middle & ET to an edge.

 

[ricksen]

Rowdy's stats are surprisingly robust. Goes to show sometimes impressions are prejudiced by human memory, whether intentional or not, are not always born out in the data.

Or there will be the counter argument: "you can quote all the stats you want, but I know what I saw".

To be fair, those stats aren't 100% reflective of performance - there's a lot more to defence than binary outcomes.
Especially in the back half of the season, he was making poor reads in defence and also leaving Brooks all alone in the defensive line. Neither of these situations would be borne out in base tackling stats.
I kinda think (hope?) he was carrying a knock throughout the last 10-12 weeks, as he was really struggling out there.

 

[happy_tiger]

Soft…

Leave happy Alone...

One minute your defending him from the roof top , next you call him soft

You lose me a lot Geo

Its like I'm offering a schizophrenic hitchhiker a lift

Well that's not hard is it..

Your above post was soft..when confronted with facts you went with dribble ..so I asked people to leave you alone..

What about metres per carry and metres after contact , he will be in the 2nd half of that group

Funnily enough the many of the backrowers I suggested weren't in that group

And if Frizell only made one line break all season , I need my guide dog replaced , seriously ….

 

[Nelson]

Soft…

Leave happy Alone...

One minute your defending him from the roof top , next you call him soft

You lose me a lot Geo

Its like I'm offering a schizophrenic hitchhiker a lift

Well that's not hard is it..

Your above post was soft..when confronted with facts you went with dribble ..so I asked people to leave you alone..

What about metres per carry and metres after contact , he will be in the 2nd half of that group

Funnily enough the many of the backrowers I suggested weren't in that group

And if Frizell only made one line break all season , I need my guide dog replaced , seriously ….

Metres per carry I can do but post contact metres is not a stat that is available to the public. You're wrong again on the metres per carry, he actually does well in that category:

Taumalolo - 10.3m/carry
Buhrer - 9.6m/carry
Jessie Sue - 9.3m/carry
Cordner - 8.9m/carry
Papalii - 8.8m/carry
Sam Burgess - 8.8m/carry
Ethan Lowe - 8.8m/carry
Tyson Frizell - 8.7m/carry
Joel Thompson - 8.7m/carry
**Chris Lawrence - 8.6m/carry**
Bodene Thompson - 8.5m/carry
Gallen - 8.5m/carry
Tohu Harris - 8.5m/carry
Alex Glenn - 8.5m/carry
Manu Ma'u - 8.4m/carry
Tariq Sims - 8.3m/carry
Corey Parker - 8.1m/carry
Sam Thaiday - 8.1m/carry
Eastwood - 8m/carry
Mannering - 7.9m/carry
Whitehead - 7.8m/carry
Mitchell Barnett - 7.6m/carry
Beau Scott - 7.6m/carry
Gavin Cooper - 7.3m/carry
Matt Gillett - 7.4m/carry

 

[Geo]

lol…I said...Leave happy alone...

Maybe we should have signed Jamie Buhrer..

 

[happy_tiger]

lol…I said...Leave happy alone...

Maybe we should have signed Jamie Buhrer..

Rowdy's Mum does a great job with the stats ….

His error levels would be higher as well

 

[Nelson]

lol…I said...Leave happy alone...

Maybe we should have signed Jamie Buhrer..

He was very good at the back end of last season. Manly were insane to release him in order to sign Shaun Lane and Curtis Sironen…

 

[Geo]

lol…I said...Leave happy alone...

Maybe we should have signed Jamie Buhrer..

Rowdy's Mum does a great job with the stats ….

His error levels would be higher as well

than who's so Nelson can get the right comparison

You don't like Mum's do you..