We are in the stats, why are we 2/5?

[Eddie]

Here's a stat - we're currently 14/16 in terms of points conceded, with only the Knights and Roosters behind us.
JT talks the talk re: improving the defence, but he certainly isn't getting the message across to his players.

There has been some good defence this season. Both halves are easy spot players which makes things difficult. Moses is still very slight and Brooks has a shocking technique.

14th is not good enough. Dropped balls and Penalties have made it look even worse as there has been some good periods of defence in games.

Honestly Brooks was so bad yesterday with his shirt grabbing efforts.

Im not even talking about the tries im talking about all the times he was back pedalling and Sharks were making 20-30 metres.

For instance if you had these strong defensive halves like a Foran, Pearce, Hodkkinson, etc it shuts down one side of the field a little.

 

[ricksen]

We're now 13th after the Warriors game, but the point remains.

 

[Chevy]

We are 2-5 because we are shite…and the depth will only increase if we dont win next week.

 

[stryker]

I disagree Brooks has a shocking technique. He proved that wrong v Parra when he was driving his shoulder into the guts of blokes twice his size. He defended like a demon against them.

It's an attitude thing with him. He can tackle but often chooses not to committ for whatever reason.

 

[happy_tiger]

I disagree Brooks has a shocking technique. He proved that wrong v Parra when he was driving his shoulder into the guts of blokes twice his size. He defended like a demon against them.

It's an attitude thing with him. He can tackle but often chooses not to committ for whatever reason.

If you watch the game again , watch just before he drives the player into touch , he basically runs circles around Fifita without going near him

It was disgraceful for a NRL player to be honest , something you'd have expected from Benji while he was having all his shoulder issues

 

[happy_tiger]

Look at our squad , how many would make any of the Top 8 sides in the comp top 17 players picked

In some cases maybe 3-4 , apart from the Knights no one else can say that

 

[stevied]

I agree that the stats list doesn't include all the fundamental errors the Tigers make or the mental fades in and out of games.We simply make too many mistakes and don't have the toughness, maturity or focus to stick it out for 80 minutes.

Also, I concur with others on here that the captaincy should be monitored at the moment. It would be premature and unfair to take it away from Woods right now but I'm not sure that he is the right man to lead in the long term. We`need someone passionate and vocal, not necessarily loud and whinging, but vocal. Woods is good at leading by example with his work ethic but but I think a captain needs to be seen talking to his players behind the goal posts and contesting decisions by the refs. I was watching Lawrence in interview after the Sharks game and think he would be ideal.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

We just don't have enough winning mentality or culture. We never have and we seem to crumble when the games are up for grabs or we get to a lead. They tried really hard out there, but they shot themsevles in the foot.

We needed leadership at times in that game and we didn't get it.

The Sharks baited us and we fell hook, line and sinker.Not enough discipline and some brain dead not kicking on the last tackle. Too many penalties late in the tackle count. The performance had plenty of promise but ultimately we dug our own grave.

Taylor needs to start digging blokes out. The last thing we need is a Sheens scenario when players were going through the motions because they were undroppable.[/quote

We've already got undropable players , and had them last year as well.
A stint or two in the nsw cup, wouldn't have hurt either of our halves.
Both have no concept of earning your position, therefore have never had to fight for a spot.
And we all know about the other blokes who just keep on turning up each week through Taylor's weird selections
Being dropped isn't the end of the line. It can make players focus inputting in an effort to get something that they want.
And it can weed out the ones who don't have the ability to fight for their position.
We are no certainties this week against Newcastle

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Here's a stat - we're currently 14/16 in terms of points conceded, with only the Knights and Roosters behind us.
JT talks the talk re: improving the defence, but he certainly isn't getting the message across to his players.

That's part of his problem, he's all talk
His excuses are have to be starting to run out, surely

 

[happy_tiger]

Here's a stat - we're currently 14/16 in terms of points conceded, with only the Knights and Roosters behind us.
JT talks the talk re: improving the defence, but he certainly isn't getting the message across to his players.

That's part of his problem, he's all talk
His excuses are have to be starting to run out, surely

No the players need to start to improve or start making career changes

 

[hobbo]

We are 2/5 because our bench sucks …
The majority of Trys conceded are from the 30-60 minute ...

Not to mention dumb plays ......

 

[Chadman_s_Ghost]

There is a lot of shared blame for coaches & players, to be honest.

But, at the same time, the Tigers are not that far away from being 5-0, really.

They have been competitive in every game, even the Titans in the 1st half.

there are some on here who want to point out that the defence is worse & that is on Taylor, blah blah.

Statistically, the defence is worse. But, they are defending better. Sounds dumb, but it's true. They are not getting torn to pieces at any point in the game. They get WORN DOWN.

Is that conditioning? The bench? Poor players?

In my opinion, it's inexperience.

The young players are making young player mistakes- particularly in the penalty department. It's not 'too many penalties', it's too many in clusters.

It's just dumb mistakes, and not enough sustained pressure.

The ability is there. The coaching in itself is fine, as is the game plan.

Could the bench be better? Sure. It would be instantly better if we hadn't had to deal with injuries so often, so early.

The day the Tigers start getting some repeat sets at the opposition in the 'red zone', is the day they will blow a team away.

Brooks & Moses need to learn to dribble the ball into the in-goal & get an extra set of 6\. Once they develop that ability, tries will come.

And what happens when you are scoring points & dominating? You stop getting scored on. The defence will get better, statistically.

there are so many slanted viewpoints- those that want to get rid of Taylor will blame him for everything, or those that see Robbie as the saviour will tell you he should be captain, or those that defend Taylor will tell you it's the players etc.

It's all of them.

They are not a complete team yet.

But, they are better than last year. Which was, believe it or not Taylor-haters, better than the year before.

Work in progress team. More consistancy, less cluster-penalties, better bench/injury management, and we should all be singing a different tune.

 

[Harvey]

I agree that the stats list doesn't include all the fundamental errors the Tigers make or the mental fades in and out of games.We simply make too many mistakes and don't have the toughness, maturity or focus to stick it out for 80 minutes.

Also, I concur with others on here that the captaincy should be monitored at the moment. It would be premature and unfair to take it away from Woods right now but I'm not sure that he is the right man to lead in the long term. We`need someone passionate and vocal, not necessarily loud and whinging, but vocal. Woods is good at leading by example with his work ethic but but I think a captain needs to be seen talking to his players behind the goal posts and contesting decisions by the refs. I was watching Lawrence in interview after the Sharks game and think he would be ideal.

I am yet to see Woods give the side a rev-up in the in-goal after conceding soft tries. This is concerning.

 

[Harvey]

Taylor must be one of the NRL's favourite coaches and I do not think that they would be in any hurry to see him go. I have seen us penalised out of games when the opposition are doing exectly the same thing, and some shocking decisions around awarding tries against us. Some of the try decisions blind Freddy could see, the media question JT after the game and he talks about it "balancing out" or we can't control that. Just once I would love to see him call out some of this in public (without defending the indefencible) and point out that some of the teams with lower expectations have these expectation fulfilled through the inconsistency of referees. It would be worth the 10k fine to see him absolutely lose it. Can the fine be higher if he really rips in?

 

[foreveratiger]

I agree that the stats list doesn't include all the fundamental errors the Tigers make or the mental fades in and out of games.We simply make too many mistakes and don't have the toughness, maturity or focus to stick it out for 80 minutes.

Also, I concur with others on here that the captaincy should be monitored at the moment. It would be premature and unfair to take it away from Woods right now but I'm not sure that he is the right man to lead in the long term. We`need someone passionate and vocal, not necessarily loud and whinging, but vocal. Woods is good at leading by example with his work ethic but but I think a captain needs to be seen talking to his players behind the goal posts and contesting decisions by the refs. I was watching Lawrence in interview after the Sharks game and think he would be ideal.

I am yet to see Woods give the side a rev-up in the in-goal after conceding soft tries. This is concerning.

All i tend to see is the side at fulltime in a huddle like there in the Semi finals series or something :unamused: , wonder what's being said in that huddle " one game at a time Boys we are not there yet ( the big dance ) " :laughing:

 

[happy_tiger]

I agree that the stats list doesn't include all the fundamental errors the Tigers make or the mental fades in and out of games.We simply make too many mistakes and don't have the toughness, maturity or focus to stick it out for 80 minutes.

Also, I concur with others on here that the captaincy should be monitored at the moment. It would be premature and unfair to take it away from Woods right now but I'm not sure that he is the right man to lead in the long term. We`need someone passionate and vocal, not necessarily loud and whinging, but vocal. Woods is good at leading by example with his work ethic but but I think a captain needs to be seen talking to his players behind the goal posts and contesting decisions by the refs. I was watching Lawrence in interview after the Sharks game and think he would be ideal.

I am yet to see Woods give the side a rev-up in the in-goal after conceding soft tries. This is concerning.

Was thinking the exact very thing

The game has changed and all this hugging before the start of the game , what about a little fire and brimstone stuff :brick:

 

[hobbo]

I agree that the stats list doesn't include all the fundamental errors the Tigers make or the mental fades in and out of games.We simply make too many mistakes and don't have the toughness, maturity or focus to stick it out for 80 minutes.

Also, I concur with others on here that the captaincy should be monitored at the moment. It would be premature and unfair to take it away from Woods right now but I'm not sure that he is the right man to lead in the long term. We`need someone passionate and vocal, not necessarily loud and whinging, but vocal. Woods is good at leading by example with his work ethic but but I think a captain needs to be seen talking to his players behind the goal posts and contesting decisions by the refs. I was watching Lawrence in interview after the Sharks game and think he would be ideal.

I am yet to see Woods give the side a rev-up in the in-goal after conceding soft tries. This is concerning.

All i tend to see is the side at fulltime in a huddle like there in the Semi finals series or something :unamused: , wonder what's being said in that huddle " one game at a time Boys we are not there yet ( the big dance ) " :laughing:

Woodsy' probably says ….listen boys , I think we got away with that one , I don't think the coach or the fans will be to upset ...
.... Now put your fists together and repeat after me ...
"Plodders United" ... "We'll never be defeated"...
... Then Woodsy says .. "Let's go boys", pizza and beer awaits us ...:laughing:

 

[Harvey]

"We lead for a fair bit of the game, and closed the margin up again, so will all likely retain out positions, even the bench players that were out there less than 10 mins".

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Here's a stat - we're currently 14/16 in terms of points conceded, with only the Knights and Roosters behind us.
JT talks the talk re: improving the defence, but he certainly isn't getting the message across to his players.

That's part of his problem, he's all talk
His excuses are have to be starting to run out, surely

No the players need to start to improve or start making career changes

If the players aren't doing what he wants Happy, he needs to make changes , even if it's to see if we have anyone better
If they are doing what he wants, then the responsibility for the way they're playing is his , and he has to live with it and the results.

 

[happy_tiger]

Here's a stat - we're currently 14/16 in terms of points conceded, with only the Knights and Roosters behind us.
JT talks the talk re: improving the defence, but he certainly isn't getting the message across to his players.

That's part of his problem, he's all talk
His excuses are have to be starting to run out, surely

No the players need to start to improve or start making career changes

If the players aren't doing what he wants Happy, he needs to make changes , even if it's to see if we have anyone better
If they are doing what he wants, then the responsibility for the way they're playing is his , and he has to live with it and the results.

At least 6 players in our Top 17 aren't first grade standard GCT

Is that Taylor's issue , you can't go dumping players because on salary cap constraints , he is still making the best he can do with what he has

2017 he has no excuses , if he can't sign players , the team doesn't improve he has no legs to stand on