We could be third after this week

[innsaneink]

Minor premiers would be great, doesnt change the last 4 years though as some seem to think it does

 

[Geo]

:laughing: The last 4 years have been Broncos, Storm, Manly, Storm….....

Only a change in Salary Cap could change that.....

 

[Golden]

:laughing: The last 4 years have been Broncos, Storm, Manly, Storm….....

Only a change in Salary Cap could change that.....

or in the Storms case lack of salary cap :laughing:

 

[TIGERS]

You only gotta look at this weekends games minus 30 odd best players

Well what does that show? That doesn't really answer any of my questions… Could you elaborate?

 

[innsaneink]

We're really about 9th, due to melb and 4 teams behind us having only one bye and a better f/a

 

[innsaneink]

You only gotta look at this weekends games minus 30 odd best players

Well what does that show? That doesn't really answer any of my questions… Could you elaborate?

No. Its very straightforward

 

[TIGERS]

You only gotta look at this weekends games minus 30 odd best players

Well what does that show? That doesn't really answer any of my questions… Could you elaborate?

No. Its very straightforward

Aww come on, don't be like that… I'm not trying to be snotty, I just want to know what your on about. Do you possess the ability to answer questions and explain opinions, or is that somehow beneath you?

 

[Jazza]

Well what does that show? That doesn't really answer any of my questions… Could you elaborate?

No. Its very straightforward

Aww come on, don't be like that… I'm not trying to be snotty, I just want to know what your on about. Do you possess the ability to answer questions and explain opinions, or is that somehow beneath you?

I think what Ink is saying if you look at the games so far this weekend, they have been very poor quality with the Origin stars missing.
I haven't seen many matches this round so I cant comment but I do think that whilst the salary cap is evening out the competition, it is also making it a poorer product in the process and that younger players are being exposed to early through lack of depth.

 

[alex]

I think what Ink is saying if you look at the games so far this weekend, they have been very poor quality with the Origin stars missing.
I haven't seen many matches this round so I cant comment but I do think that whilst the salary cap is evening out the competition, it is also making it a poorer product in the process and that younger players are being exposed to early through lack of depth.

It also means quality players leave the game and head overseas.

Here's a team of players who've left the NRL and pursued other codes/ESL …

1\. Karmichael Hunt
2\. Pat Richards
3\. Israel Folau
4\. Mark Gasnier
5\. Matt King
6\. Michael Witt (or even Berrick Barnes now playing for the Wallabies)
7\. Matt Orford
8\. Mark O'Meley
9\. Danny Buderus
10\. Josh Perry (leaving this year)
11\. Sonny Bill Williams
12\. Clint Newton
13\. Dallas Johnson

14\. Shaun Berrigan
15\. Greg Eastwood
16\. Michael Monaghan
17\. Steve Menzies

Everyone in that team has either played rep footy or in a grand final ...

Although it's good to see some young guns come through (ie the Broncos game today with Corey Norman and Josh Hoffman), the calibre of players leaving the NRL to chase bigger bucks elsewhere is a problem ...

 

[TIGERS]

I think what Ink is saying if you look at the games so far this weekend, they have been very poor quality with the Origin stars missing.
I haven't seen many matches this round so I cant comment but I do think that whilst the salary cap is evening out the competition, it is also making it a poorer product in the process and that younger players are being exposed to early through lack of depth.

Well I don't think so. The Cowboys and Bronco's have both won without their Origin Stars, The Warriors win was an absolute 80 minute thriller and the Titans snapped a losing streak against Manly in a fairly scrappy but desperate affair. The Storm are without their big stars on Monday night so they have named 3 players from their team that won the Toyota Cup last year. In addition to all of this we have got an Origin game on Wednesday that is arguably the most important and controversial in living memory. So I dunno, probably not the most memorable week in Footballing History but hardly the worst.

So am I to assume that it is on these grounds that we should to get rid of 1 or 2 teams?? Because Manly and the Titans knocked the ball on a bit to much for our liking? Because the Cowboys beat their losing streak with Matty Bowen at halfback instead continuing their losing with Johnathan Thurston at Halfback??

The Clubs have basically negotiated themselves into their current predicament. It's been that way since the moment they sat there and did absolutely nothing when Ken Arthurson gave the Pay TV rights for the Winfield Cup to Kerry Packer for FREE in the early 90's. Michael Searle has worked out the right thing to do with an Administration owned by the clubs… he's just 20 years to late. The Boat has already sailed. News has got us clocked, and we let them do it.

 

[Juro]

To me that says a lot about the standard of the competition this season.

yeah the salary cap is working and its an even comp…

Nah man what it shows is that there is simply not enough first grade standard players in the comp anymore. The NRL needs to shed at least two clubs to survive.

I would seriously rate our season a 5/10 so far…and we're a chance at being third on the ladder after this round. Saints and Panthers deserve their positions but we are very lucky. We cant possibly miss the 8 with the comp being so inconsistent....surely??

To me, the salary cap goes a long way to ensuring an even comp. The level of the salary cap determines the quality of the comp. It is up to everyone involved in rugby league (players, clubs, administration) to raise the value of the game so the cap can be raised. If the cap was higher, rugby league would be stealing players from other codes instead of the other way around.

And I don't think contraction is going to save the NRL. All that would do would be to ensure a slow death as the value of the comp would fall, the salary cap would need to be tightened and more talent would be lost.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

To me, the salary cap goes a long way to ensuring an even comp. The level of the salary cap determines the quality of the comp. **It is up to everyone involved in rugby league (players, clubs, administration) to raise the value of the game so the cap can be raised. If the cap was higher, rugby league would be stealing players from other codes instead of the other way around.**

And I don't think contraction is going to save the NRL. All that would do would be to ensure a slow death as the value of the comp would fall, the salary cap would need to be tightened and more talent would be lost.

This is a very valid point. I'm for keeping a Salary Cap, but at the moment it is set to ensure the Sydney Clubs stay financial. At the end of the day, the Sydney Clubs must look to new means of Revenue Generation. Its pretty obvious revenue is limited within their current saturated marketplace and they need to find new Target Markets?

 

[system]

I have found all of the games thouroughly entertaining this weekend.

The Broncs game was a bit of a blowout but the remainder were highly engaging

 

[innsaneink]

Well what does that show? That doesn't really answer any of my questions… Could you elaborate?

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No. Its very straightforward

Aww come on, don't be like that… I'm not trying to be snotty, I just want to know what your on about. Do you possess the ability to answer questions and explain opinions, or is that somehow beneath you?

I think what Ink is saying if you look at the games so far this weekend, they have been very poor quality with the Origin stars missing.
I haven't seen many matches this round so I cant comment but I do think that whilst the salary cap is evening out the competition, it is also making it a poorer product in the process and that younger players are being exposed to early through lack of depth.

Thanks jazz…I knew it was straightforward, and its not just this round but most rounds usually, I find we get two very good games and 6 or so pretty average ones.

Dont even start me on the refs

Expansion will dilute the talent further....do we not remember not too long ago, the 20 teams cock up?

 

[TIGERS]

Aww come on, don't be like that… I'm not trying to be snotty, I just want to know what your on about. Do you possess the ability to answer questions and explain opinions, or is that somehow beneath you?

I think what Ink is saying if you look at the games so far this weekend, they have been very poor quality with the Origin stars missing.
I haven't seen many matches this round so I cant comment but I do think that whilst the salary cap is evening out the competition, it is also making it a poorer product in the process and that younger players are being exposed to early through lack of depth.

Thanks jazz…I knew it was straightforward, and its not just this round but most rounds usually, I find we get two very good games and 6 or so pretty average ones.

Dont even start me on the refs

Expansion will dilute the talent further....do we not remember not too long ago, the 20 teams cock up?

So even INCLUDING the 30 odd players that are currently away on Origin Duty playing week in we out you'd still consider the quality of Rugby League these days to be mostly "average"… That's a fairly broad and vague statement to make. Especially on something as subjective as watching a game of Footy.

So if the consensus is that Today's Rugby League is of a declining or poorer standard... Could you possibly refer to a time when the quality of Rugby League has been of a higher or more acceptable standard? You say its average... but average compared to what? When has it actually worked for you?

 

[Geo]

Expansion will dilute the talent further….do we not remember not too long ago, the 20 teams cock up?

I do…..

I think the point is though in the Year 2010...if the Wests Tigers play at 90% of their potential show the form they displayed against Parra, Manly, Dogs and Cowgirls....they will win most games with all sides at full strength....Marshall, Ellis, Farah, Heigno and Lawrence...those guys stay fit for the season we will give it a shake....I'm excited...

Play at 100% ......look out.....

I like the new attitude from our Captain and the go to man....Hope it lasts....

 

[innsaneink]

Seems perry mason wont let me go.

It declined with the introduction of the titans, it declined with the reintro of souths.

 

[Jazza]

I think its a bit of a catch 22 as far as expansion and talent pool goes.

I'm for expansion and introducing extra teams will mean more money from the tv rights and a bigger increase in the salary cap. But by having the extra teams the talent pool will dilute further as we have to find another 50 NRL contracted players.

The question is by expanding, would the increase in the salary cap be sufficient enough to handle an extra 50 NRL contracted players and stop players leaving the game?
I guess that would depend on how well the NRL negotiates the deal, how much the grant will increase, and how high they will put the salary cap.

What I will say is if we do expand, obviously the salary cap is likely to increase more because of more games for tv. But also whilst the talent pool may be thinned out across the NRL as there will be more clubs, it is what's needed to keep the top players in our game. If we dont expand, then the talent pool will be thinned out anyway because our players will leave the game as the salary cap wont be as high.

 

[ron_burgandy]

i think it needs to go to a 14 team comp with every team playing each other twice have the comp divided up into 2 leagues (7 in each league)

top 2 from each league go through to the finals and the best 2 records in the nrl other then the top 2 from each league go through to the finals aswell.

the way the leagues are determined is by where you finish on the ladder ie (teams that finish 1,3,5,7,9,11,13 are in league 1 teams that finish 2,4,6,8,10,12,14 are in league 2)

 

[TIGERS]

I often think back to when C7 Sports offered almost TRIPLE of what Fox Sports had offered the NRL Partnership for the Pay TV rights a few years back… The NRL went with Fox of course. For obvious reasons. Had the game had been run by an 'Independent Commission' back in those days... we'd probably be sitting here talking about who we would prefer to poach from other codes... Sadly that's not the case.

Its a a bit like that Simpsons Episode when Homer sells his stocks in the Power Plant for 20 bucks, but everyone else at the Plant got rich. In the 90's... The top Football Clubs in England set up their own Premier League and they all got rich. Rugby Union Clubs went professional, set up Sanzar... and they all got rich. The Rugby League clubs on the other hand...imploded...and ended up giving away complete control of the game to News Limited for the corporate equivalent of 20 bucks... and the rest is history.

Rugby League's slim hopes to compete financially with other codes depends on 2 things.

1\. The Successful Establishment of the Independent Commission.
2\. If Channel 7 tries to outbid Channel 9 for the next lot of free to air rights.

Until Rugby League can afford to spend with the other leagues again... we're gonna be stuck in this same salary cap hell. In the greater scheme of things... neither Expansion or Expulsion will end up solving anything.