We Have Gone Down The Wrong Path

[littletiger]

In hindsight Todd Payten should have been given the job.

He would have been the better match for this crop of players. That said Taylor can get results too.

I wasn't going to bring it up, but I always thought that Toddy was the man for the job.

I don't see the value in these fascist psycho tantrum-throwing coaches. Bellamy had success, but with a team worth double the salary cap. Talk about a playmaker's options - Smith and Cronk had Ingilis, Slater at his peak, Folau, Hoffman. Brooks has Tedesco. At the moment, JT is holding himself in check and speaking calmly. See what happens if our losing streak continues.

I'm as glad as anyone that our defense was good against the Cowboys, but the word JT left out was 'win', and to do that you have to score some points, a run of 0-0 draws won't get us into the playoffs!

To put things in perspective, we played the Cowboys without Farah and Woods, and if Naiquama had grounded the ball over the line instead of fumbling it, we probably would have won, and if we'd won we would be calling JT a genius. So let's hope it works v the Titans.

Regarding comments on payton people are forgetting there a second issue that coaches have to deal with apart from coaching players form.

Theres the whole management side of bring a coach too. Like getting the salary cap in order like the roosters so your an ongoing successful club.. coaches like payton would have taken wt down the same path it was already on … I.e recruit more players even tho cap is a mess to save their asses instead of a rebuilding path that models those successful clubs like Taylor has done.

I agree it remains to be seen if Taylor can coach a decent group of players like McGregor is doing now at st George... But it's imperative we fix our operations up first which Taylor is definitely doing.

 

[Tiger_In_The_Gong]

I agree it remains to be seen if Taylor can coach a decent group of players like McGregor is doing now at st George… But it's imperative we fix our operations up first which Taylor is definitely doing.

What are you talking about here, " a decent group of players"

Their squad is no more decent than ours, they are just responding to their coach and what he has brought to the club.

I think what you are really saying is winning, as in it remains to be seen if Taylor can be a winning coach.

 

[Tiger_In_The_Gong]

[quote="Paris Cobbs"

To put things in perspective, we played the Cowboys without Farah and Woods, and if Naiquama had grounded the ball over the line instead of fumbling it, we probably would have won, and if we'd won we would be calling JT a genius. So let's hope it works v the Titans.

Thats not perspective thats just your opinion.

 

[Geo]

In hindsight we have chosen the wrong path by throwing all of our eggs in the 1 basket ie: Brooks and Moses. They have been signed up supposedly to massively overblown contracts on POTENTIAL alone. It is becoming more and more apparent that they are not going to be anything special- notwithstanding the fact that they are only young kids. They have both had 1 standout game each but looking long-term we are not going to fulfill our so-called glory days with our current youngsters. Teddy and Simona will be better than average but Brooks, Moses, Cherrington etc are ho hum. We need to turn our recruitment and retention policy more into recruiting players from outside the club- most successful clubs recruit established players instead of relying on local juniors. If Moses and Brooks turn out to be guns we will in all probability groom them into established 1st graders only for Roosters,Souths, Dogs to pick them up. **Time for WT to get with the program** and let other clubs establish young players and pay overs to groom them.

So absolute,,,?

I think we should sign Cameron Smith Cooper Cronk and Billy Slater established NRL players you can build a team around…

 

[littletiger]

I agree it remains to be seen if Taylor can coach a decent group of players like McGregor is doing now at st George… But it's imperative we fix our operations up first which Taylor is definitely doing.

What are you talking about here, " a decent group of players"

Their squad is no more decent than ours, they are just responding to their coach and what he has brought to the club.

I think what you are really saying is winning, as in it remains to be seen if Taylor can be a winning coach.

No

I reckon saints have a heaps better squad than ours. Saints actually have a decent squad. Sure a front rower or to short but they way ahead of us in terms of recruitment.

I don't think you realize our light our squad is.

Taylor has said many times he would of like to keep a few players we let go of but did so to fix the messed up cap.

 

[bp_tiger]

In hindsight Todd Payten should have been given the job.

He would have been the better match for this crop of players. That said Taylor can get results too.

I wasn't going to bring it up, but I always thought that Toddy was the man for the job.

I don't see the value in these fascist psycho tantrum-throwing coaches. Bellamy had success, but with a team worth double the salary cap. Talk about a playmaker's options - Smith and Cronk had Ingilis, Slater at his peak, Folau, Hoffman. Brooks has Tedesco. At the moment, JT is holding himself in check and speaking calmly. See what happens if our losing streak continues.

I'm as glad as anyone that our defense was good against the Cowboys, but the word JT left out was 'win', and to do that you have to score some points, a run of 0-0 draws won't get us into the playoffs!

To put things in perspective, we played the Cowboys without Farah and Woods, and if Naiquama had grounded the ball over the line instead of fumbling it, we probably would have won, and if we'd won we would be calling JT a genius. So let's hope it works v the Titans.

Get real, no one would have been calling JT a genius after that performance against a depleted Cowboys side. I was cursing in my seat long before the game was out of reach. Win or lose it ranked as one of the lowest games in the clubs history.

ur 100% right gnr4life, it was a disgrace, but what was more of a disgrace was watching JT in the press conference after it saying had they could have done more with the ball and tried to score a few tries, HOLD THE PHONE JT ur the bloody coach if there not doing what u our saying send out a runner and tell them to put on plays not one out football and a bomb, UNLESS JT they were doing what u told them to do and now ur trying to but it back on the players.

 

[littletiger]

everyone keeps banging on about how may cowboy players were out not playing that game… What about the amount of players the tigers had out. Farah Woods Galloway Nofo Simona

 

[Tiger_In_The_Gong]

In hindsight Todd Payten should have been given the job.

He would have been the better match for this crop of players. That said Taylor can get results too.

I wasn't going to bring it up, but I always thought that Toddy was the man for the job.

I don't see the value in these fascist psycho tantrum-throwing coaches. Bellamy had success, but with a team worth double the salary cap. Talk about a playmaker's options - Smith and Cronk had Ingilis, Slater at his peak, Folau, Hoffman. Brooks has Tedesco. At the moment, JT is holding himself in check and speaking calmly. See what happens if our losing streak continues.

I'm as glad as anyone that our defense was good against the Cowboys, but the word JT left out was 'win', and to do that you have to score some points, a run of 0-0 draws won't get us into the playoffs!

To put things in perspective, we played the Cowboys without Farah and Woods, and if Naiquama had grounded the ball over the line instead of fumbling it, we probably would have won, and if we'd won we would be calling JT a genius. So let's hope it works v the Titans.

Get real, no one would have been calling JT a genius after that performance against a depleted Cowboys side. I was cursing in my seat long before the game was out of reach. Win or lose it ranked as one of the lowest games in the clubs history.

ur 100% right gnr4life, it was a disgrace, but what was more of a disgrace was watching JT in the press conference after it saying had they could have done more with the ball and tried to score a few tries, HOLD THE PHONE JT ur the bloody coach if there not doing what u our saying send out a runner and tell them to put on plays not one out football and a bomb, UNLESS JT they were doing what u told them to do and now ur trying to but it back on the players.

Im seeing this also, seems he is just making it up on the run.

Man under pressure!

 

[Tiger_In_The_Gong]

I agree it remains to be seen if Taylor can coach a decent group of players like McGregor is doing now at st George… But it's imperative we fix our operations up first which Taylor is definitely doing.

What are you talking about here, " a decent group of players"

Their squad is no more decent than ours, they are just responding to their coach and what he has brought to the club.

I think what you are really saying is winning, as in it remains to be seen if Taylor can be a winning coach.

No

I reckon saints have a heaps better squad than ours. Saints actually have a decent squad. Sure a front rower or to short but they way ahead of us in terms of recruitment.

I don't think you realize our light our squad is.

Taylor has said many times he would of like to keep a few players we let go of but did so to fix the messed up cap.

Disagree 100%

Our squad is not as bad as you make out, its better than theirs they are just plain and simply playing to their ability.

We are not.

And if i have to hear about the salary cap mess one more time i think ill vomit lol. Its like this magical get out of jail free for coaches who cant get their players to play to their full ability.

 

[littletiger]

Fair enough. I see it the opposite way. :slight_smile:

 

[Tigermama]

We have to remember that whilst a most of the attention is on Moses and Brooks, these two youngsters have come into a team that is also full of inexperienced players.

I can't recall any team that has been so stacked with inexperience.
Even the youngsters that won the 2005 grand final were much better balanced with both veterans and guys who had played 100-150 games.

Moses and Brooks were always, and will for the next couple of years, have inconsistent performances.
Its going to be so even more considering the inexperience around them.

Unfortunately this is the path the club is on and I personally find it hard to criticise that choice of direction considering the potential of 4 or 5 of these juniors. We had to sign them up and with the cap, we had to let some experience go. Its not ideal, but now this path has been chosen, I firmly believe the club has to stick to it and hopefully recruit a sprinkle of experienced players over the coming years to better balance the team.

Its not just Moses and Brooks that have been thrown in the deep end, its Teddy, Sirro, Simona, Nofa, Sue, Naqiama, Lovett, Lodge…. so on and so on.

It is going to be a long road and it seems to be all uphill atm, but hopefully its all downhill towards the end and we have squad that can compete with the best.

Just remember that Brooks and Moses haven't got that experience around them like most promising juniors do when they are introduced into first grade.

That's exactly the point that a lot of us have been making,
In any other club two ( particularly Moses) small players would not have been thrown to the Sharks as they have been, no help to hide them in defence , as its almost impossible two two defence liabilities at once.
To me it seems that the club had so much invested in these two that they'll just keep hoping that they'll come good, and won't ever admit they were wrong until it's too late.
I hope these kids can get better, but they haven't shown it yet

I'm looking forward to seeing Brooks v Elgey…i hope they try and out do each other, and Brooksy comes out on top! :supporter:

 

[Tigermama]

Just follow the black ,white and gold brick road boys and girls and enjoy the ride

I have and it hasn't been smooth,how can you enjoy a ride like this one,not knowing when your gonna be bucked off…

Mirrors life , hang on and buck back

Truer words have never been spoken, oh Wise One :master:

 

[Tigermama]

Just follow the black ,white and gold brick road boys and girls and enjoy the ride

I have and it hasn't been smooth,how can you enjoy a ride like this one,not knowing when your gonna be bucked off…

Mirrors life , hang on and buck back

You are probably right Hap,but how many times do you have to be bucked off before you realise you can't keep getting on for the same result to occur…..

Good point TT. We all have to learn from our mistakes. It's the only way to grow and improve in life.
I'm sure JT knows this too. Let's see what's in store for us tonight. :ugeek:

 

[Tigermama]

In hindsight Todd Payten should have been given the job.

He would have been the better match for this crop of players. That said Taylor can get results too.

I wasn't going to bring it up, but I always thought that Toddy was the man for the job.

I don't see the value in these fascist psycho tantrum-throwing coaches. Bellamy had success, but with a team worth double the salary cap. Talk about a playmaker's options - Smith and Cronk had Ingilis, Slater at his peak, Folau, Hoffman. Brooks has Tedesco. At the moment, JT is holding himself in check and speaking calmly. See what happens if our losing streak continues.

I'm as glad as anyone that our defense was good against the Cowboys, but the word JT left out was 'win', and to do that you have to score some points, a run of 0-0 draws won't get us into the playoffs!

To put things in perspective, we played the Cowboys without Farah and Woods, and if Naiquama had grounded the ball over the line instead of fumbling it, we probably would have won, and if we'd won we would be calling JT a genius. So let's hope it works v the Titans.

Get real, no one would have been calling JT a genius after that performance against a depleted Cowboys side. I was cursing in my seat long before the game was out of reach. Win or lose it ranked as one of the lowest games in the clubs history.

Agree…Zzzzzzzzz :mrgreen:

 

[Tigermama]

In hindsight Todd Payten should have been given the job.

He would have been the better match for this crop of players. That said Taylor can get results too.

I wasn't going to bring it up, but I always thought that Toddy was the man for the job.

I don't see the value in these fascist psycho tantrum-throwing coaches. Bellamy had success, but with a team worth double the salary cap. Talk about a playmaker's options - Smith and Cronk had Ingilis, Slater at his peak, Folau, Hoffman. Brooks has Tedesco. At the moment, JT is holding himself in check and speaking calmly. See what happens if our losing streak continues.

I'm as glad as anyone that our defense was good against the Cowboys, but the word JT left out was 'win', and to do that you have to score some points, a run of 0-0 draws won't get us into the playoffs!

To put things in perspective, we played the Cowboys without Farah and Woods, and if Naiquama had grounded the ball over the line instead of fumbling it, we probably would have won, and if we'd won we would be calling JT a genius. So let's hope it works v the Titans.

Regarding comments on payton people are forgetting there a second issue that coaches have to deal with apart from coaching players form.

Theres the whole management side of bring a coach too. Like getting the salary cap in order like the roosters so your an ongoing successful club.. coaches like payton would have taken wt down the same path it was already on … I.e recruit more players even tho cap is a mess to save their asses instead of a rebuilding path that models those successful clubs like Taylor has done.

I agree it remains to be seen if Taylor can coach a decent group of players like McGregor is doing now at st George... But it's imperative we fix our operations up first which Taylor is definitely doing.

Littletiger, the management side of things is Phil Mosses job. Not Taylors.

 

[Tigermama]

I agree it remains to be seen if Taylor can coach a decent group of players like McGregor is doing now at st George… But it's imperative we fix our operations up first which Taylor is definitely doing.

What are you talking about here, " a decent group of players"

Their squad is no more decent than ours, they are just responding to their coach and what he has brought to the club.

I think what you are really saying is winning, as in it remains to be seen if Taylor can be a winning coach.

No

I reckon saints have a heaps better squad than ours. Saints actually have a decent squad. Sure a front rower or to short but they way ahead of us in terms of recruitment.

I don't think you realize our light our squad is.

Taylor has said many times he would of like to keep a few players we let go of but did so to fix the messed up cap.

When asked on NRL 360 what's changed at the Dragons, Benji mentioned that it's the training. They train like it's a real game. He said they try and bash each other and there's been scuffles between players because of it. If they don't go hard,they have to "bash" each other again and again. Same with their defence. They defend as one. Help each other out consistently.
So to me it sounds like Mary's no - nonsense, take no prisoners type of coaching is the reason the Dragons are sitting on top of the ladder. He punishes them if they get lazy. They know that if they don't play to his standard,there will be consequences.
We need some of his tough love in our team too.

 

[supercoach]

Comparing the Dragons and the Tigers is like lemons and Oranges, who in our backline would crack a gig in theirs???and barring Woods and Tapau I can not think of to many forwards and that includes Farah.

Granted he has them really fired up and has injected a massive dose of enthusiasm into the joint and he has surprised me how he has turned the joint around, but his roster is a lot better than people like to think

 

[littletiger]

I agree it remains to be seen if Taylor can coach a decent group of players like McGregor is doing now at st George… But it's imperative we fix our operations up first which Taylor is definitely doing.

What are you talking about here, " a decent group of players"

Their squad is no more decent than ours, they are just responding to their coach and what he has brought to the club.

I think what you are really saying is winning, as in it remains to be seen if Taylor can be a winning coach.

No

I reckon saints have a heaps better squad than ours. Saints actually have a decent squad. Sure a front rower or to short but they way ahead of us in terms of recruitment.

I don't think you realize our light our squad is.

Taylor has said many times he would of like to keep a few players we let go of but did so to fix the messed up cap.

When asked on NRL 360 what's changed at the Dragons, Benji mentioned that it's the training. They train like it's a real game. He said they try and bash each other and there's been scuffles between players because of it. If they don't go hard,they have to "bash" each other again and again. Same with their defence. They defend as one. Help each other out consistently.
So to me it sounds like Mary's no - nonsense, take no prisoners type of coaching is the reason the Dragons are sitting on top of the ladder. He punishes them if they get lazy. They know that if they don't play to his standard,there will be consequences.
We need some of his tough love in our team too.

Yeh still think saints have better squad than us. Spine better. Second Row better. Backs better. Our front row holds up.

WIth the squad they have they should be doing well.

I'll give them a wrap for how well their doing with their front row depth tho

 

[tig_prmz]

i dont think we even had a choice tbh..

as you said, "in hindsight"… but go back to the thread where brooks and moses' 4 year deals were announced and what probs 95% of replies were. even in hindsight, it was the correct decision.

 

[Tiger_In_The_Gong]

I agree it remains to be seen if Taylor can coach a decent group of players like McGregor is doing now at st George… But it's imperative we fix our operations up first which Taylor is definitely doing.

What are you talking about here, " a decent group of players"

Their squad is no more decent than ours, they are just responding to their coach and what he has brought to the club.

I think what you are really saying is winning, as in it remains to be seen if Taylor can be a winning coach.

No

I reckon saints have a heaps better squad than ours. Saints actually have a decent squad. Sure a front rower or to short but they way ahead of us in terms of recruitment.

I don't think you realize our light our squad is.

Taylor has said many times he would of like to keep a few players we let go of but did so to fix the messed up cap.

When asked on NRL 360 what's changed at the Dragons, Benji mentioned that it's the training. They train like it's a real game. He said they try and bash each other and there's been scuffles between players because of it. If they don't go hard,they have to "bash" each other again and again. Same with their defence. They defend as one. Help each other out consistently.
So to me it sounds like Mary's no - nonsense, take no prisoners type of coaching is the reason the Dragons are sitting on top of the ladder. He punishes them if they get lazy. They know that if they don't play to his standard,there will be consequences.
We need some of his tough love in our team too.

A bit more on that is that Dean Young is the defense guru who has really turned them around, it was his initiative to implement full contact training with no push pads or anything.

McGregor though has done a lot for the team and the team respect what he has done for them. This includes using his own contacts to build new offices and training facilities at Win Stadium.

They are running it like a real grass roots no fuss club, im starting to soften and like them for the first time.