We should have kept Paul Momirovski.

[cochise]

Is Paul Momorovski a better player than Daine Laurie? No - on any day of the week.

So, in a position where we do not have standout centres or standout fullback, i.e. both positions equally barren, a trade where we get Laurie and lose Momorovski is a good trade.

I think that is a different argument altogether although i agree Laurie is a far better player. Not disputing that. It would depend on what your team really needed at the time and weather you could have held out for 12 months as he was coming anyway. In my opinion we are crying out for defensive centres and we had one on minimum wage that did a good job for us and in my opinion was getting better. We have let in 676 points this year. Daine is good but he is not going to make us 676 points better. Lets hope this Gildart is something or we will be going around in circles again.

So all those 676 points were because we let Momo go?

 

[balmain boy]

We got Daine Laurie.

True, but we traded Momo because our coaching staff rated him our 5th best centre, when Penrith were astute enough to realise he was our best centre.
The goal should've been to keep Momo and get Laurie by trading any of BJ, Talau, Mbye , Roberts, Nofa or Kepoa.

Poor coaching talent identification again.

That's just not true. Most people on here didn't rate him at all for whatever reason. There's a lot of bad judges on here. The coaches did rate him but as our second or third best centre. And fullback being a more dynamic and crucial role chose to upgrade for a first choice fullback than keep a player who may or may not be a starter. They didn't want to giveup Momo, but had to in the end.

Long term it's the right call, but yes it would have been helpful to have Momo out wide for us this season.

 

[cochise]

Is Paul Momorovski a better player than Daine Laurie? No - on any day of the week.

So, in a position where we do not have standout centres or standout fullback, i.e. both positions equally barren, a trade where we get Laurie and lose Momorovski is a good trade.

Dane Laurie was already signed with us for 2022.
That was happening regardless of Momo going to
Penrith or not.
The reason Momo went to Penrith was because we signed BJ and to get him here he was told he was first choice.
When Momo got wiff of that conversation between the club and BJ he took off to Penrith.
And we all know how BJ has worked out for the club.
BIG MISTAKE!!!

We released Momo to get Laurie for 21, I'm pretty sure we didn't have momo signed for 22 did we?

Momo left cause we signed BJ otherwise he
wouldve signed on to stay 22 and beyond.
It had nothing to do with Laurie.

BJ was here last year? What evidence do you have that momo wanted to be here in 22? He didn't have a contract here in 22.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

Is Paul Momorovski a better player than Daine Laurie? No - on any day of the week.

So, in a position where we do not have standout centres or standout fullback, i.e. both positions equally barren, a trade where we get Laurie and lose Momorovski is a good trade.

Dane Laurie was already signed with us for 2022.
That was happening regardless of Momo going to
Penrith or not.
The reason Momo went to Penrith was because we signed BJ and to get him here he was told he was first choice.
When Momo got wiff of that conversation between the club and BJ he took off to Penrith.
And we all know how BJ has worked out for the club.
BIG MISTAKE!!!

Correct, "it is always safer to buy a "known name" player then a young player" thinking costed us too many times: e..g. Ballin, Packer, Mbye, Roberts, BJ Lailua, Tamou ..
However, with that approach it is easier to cover your a* !
IMHO, we should have kept Momirovski, and traded any of the following: Talau, Mbye, Nofoaluma, M C-K for Laurie!

 

[cochise]

Is Paul Momorovski a better player than Daine Laurie? No - on any day of the week.

So, in a position where we do not have standout centres or standout fullback, i.e. both positions equally barren, a trade where we get Laurie and lose Momorovski is a good trade.

Dane Laurie was already signed with us for 2022.
That was happening regardless of Momo going to
Penrith or not.
The reason Momo went to Penrith was because we signed BJ and to get him here he was told he was first choice.
When Momo got wiff of that conversation between the club and BJ he took off to Penrith.
And we all know how BJ has worked out for the club.
BIG MISTAKE!!!


Correct, "it is always safer to buy a "known name" player then a young player" thinking costed us too many times: e..g. Ballin, Packer, Mbye, Roberts, BJ Lailua, Tamou ..
However, with that approach it is easier to cover your a* !
IMHO, we should have kept Momirovski, and traded any of the following: Talau, Mbye, Nofoaluma, M C-K for Laurie!

It doesn't work like that!

 

[tigertuff]

Hindsight is always 20/20


Yes, surprisingly, there were quite a few posters who thought the swap was a great idea. The same who thought Moma was not rated in our top 4 centres, justifying the strong desire for change, believing that any change has the opportunity of bringing some kind of overall improvement. For those, I guess the hindsight advantage is kicking in?
Moma didn’t want to go as I recall?

Sometimes the best best option is under our noses all along. Tamou for Eisenhuth, Mcintyre for Offa, Momorovski for Bj, the list goes on. It isnt working for us. The quicker this club starts giving our own a crack and is patient with them the better we will be. Everyone wanted Seyfarth gone this time last year but what do ya know - he is getting better each week and more importantly he wants to be here for the right reasons at half the price.

Offa is better than McIntyre, Tamou and the Huth are a push, Momo would have been better than BJ (in hindsight) but IMO no better than Talau/Kepaoa and Laurie isa massive benefit. Not a strong argument.

I think it is a strong argument. How much more did that cost us in the process. Last time i checked we are going backwards on the ladder and we would have to be on the first or second line of betting for the wooden spoon next year. Im not disputing Laurie isnt a good pick up (and price)- he has been good for us, its the way we go about it that is the problem. Out of curiosity, how much more is Offa on than what Mcintyre was. How much more would have Tamou cost us than Eisenhuth. All these swaps are costing us more for no return in my opinion.

Dont get me wrong, Momo would be first centre picked for us at the moment, but a team with Momo at 4 and Mbye at 1 is not stronger than our current team and I'd suggest that a team with a late season Talau and a fit Kepaoa in the centres with Laurie at 1 is much stronger.

Who says Mbye had to play fullback. Douhie played there the year before and whilst not great went ok. Oh but hang on ,we played him in the centres too because we didnt have a decent one. So how much has all this cost again?

Yeah you are right, we would have had AD at 1 and Mbye at 6. You realise you are strengthening the case to get rid of Momo to get Laurie here.

You have convinced me, thank god we got rid of Momo.

Again who said mbye had to play at 6. If he is the best in that position at the time thats where he plays or you promote from within. You still havent answered my original question though.

Im not sure what your original question is, but if your question is how much has this cost us, my answer is nothing, we have come out of it stronger.

No question that Momo would be first centre picked right now but that brings the opportunity of cost of not having Laurie and Daine has made how team so much stronger than without him. Each of your extrapolations of moving AD or Mbye or who ever around to cover if he wasnt here proves it IMO.

Seems a strange hill to die on, there is no combination with Momo in and Laurie out that makes us noticeably stronger. Seems more to be seeking another opportunity to pile onto Tigers management which seems the new pastime of many here.

Daine has filled a position for us hopefully long term and has been a great pick up - not disputing that. I love what he brings to the team. The point i am trying to make is we have lost our best defensive centre who was on minimum wage and we have now leaked 676 points this year. Mostly through our edges. Are we not now crying out for centres. We have strengthened a position sure but we have now weakened our front line of defense which is our weakest link.
As for my question , it was on the monetary value of all our swapping of players. Surely Tamou is on more than what Eisenhuth was. Same for Offa vs Mcintyre etc. Are we really getting anywhere. The ladder would suggest no.

 

[cochise]

Hindsight is always 20/20


Yes, surprisingly, there were quite a few posters who thought the swap was a great idea. The same who thought Moma was not rated in our top 4 centres, justifying the strong desire for change, believing that any change has the opportunity of bringing some kind of overall improvement. For those, I guess the hindsight advantage is kicking in?
Moma didn’t want to go as I recall?

Sometimes the best best option is under our noses all along. Tamou for Eisenhuth, Mcintyre for Offa, Momorovski for Bj, the list goes on. It isnt working for us. The quicker this club starts giving our own a crack and is patient with them the better we will be. Everyone wanted Seyfarth gone this time last year but what do ya know - he is getting better each week and more importantly he wants to be here for the right reasons at half the price.

Offa is better than McIntyre, Tamou and the Huth are a push, Momo would have been better than BJ (in hindsight) but IMO no better than Talau/Kepaoa and Laurie isa massive benefit. Not a strong argument.

I think it is a strong argument. How much more did that cost us in the process. Last time i checked we are going backwards on the ladder and we would have to be on the first or second line of betting for the wooden spoon next year. Im not disputing Laurie isnt a good pick up (and price)- he has been good for us, its the way we go about it that is the problem. Out of curiosity, how much more is Offa on than what Mcintyre was. How much more would have Tamou cost us than Eisenhuth. All these swaps are costing us more for no return in my opinion.

Dont get me wrong, Momo would be first centre picked for us at the moment, but a team with Momo at 4 and Mbye at 1 is not stronger than our current team and I'd suggest that a team with a late season Talau and a fit Kepaoa in the centres with Laurie at 1 is much stronger.

Who says Mbye had to play fullback. Douhie played there the year before and whilst not great went ok. Oh but hang on ,we played him in the centres too because we didnt have a decent one. So how much has all this cost again?

Yeah you are right, we would have had AD at 1 and Mbye at 6. You realise you are strengthening the case to get rid of Momo to get Laurie here.

You have convinced me, thank god we got rid of Momo.

Again who said mbye had to play at 6. If he is the best in that position at the time thats where he plays or you promote from within. You still havent answered my original question though.

Im not sure what your original question is, but if your question is how much has this cost us, my answer is nothing, we have come out of it stronger.

No question that Momo would be first centre picked right now but that brings the opportunity of cost of not having Laurie and Daine has made how team so much stronger than without him. Each of your extrapolations of moving AD or Mbye or who ever around to cover if he wasnt here proves it IMO.

Seems a strange hill to die on, there is no combination with Momo in and Laurie out that makes us noticeably stronger. Seems more to be seeking another opportunity to pile onto Tigers management which seems the new pastime of many here.

Daine has filled a position for us hopefully long term and has been a great pick up - not disputing that. I love what he brings to the team. The point i am trying to make is we have lost our best defensive centre who was on minimum wage and we have now leaked 676 points this year. Mostly through our edges. Are we not now crying out for centres. We have strengthened a position sure but we have now weakened our front line of defense which is our weakest link.
As for my question , it was on the monetary value of all our swapping of players. Surely Tamou is on more than what Eisenhuth was. Same for Offa vs Mcintyre etc. Are we really getting anywhere. The ladder would suggest no.

Did Mcintyre even play a game this year?

 

[TigerWest]

Is Paul Momorovski a better player than Daine Laurie? No - on any day of the week.

So, in a position where we do not have standout centres or standout fullback, i.e. both positions equally barren, a trade where we get Laurie and lose Momorovski is a good trade.

Dane Laurie was already signed with us for 2022.
That was happening regardless of Momo going to
Penrith or not.
The reason Momo went to Penrith was because we signed BJ and to get him here he was told he was first choice.
When Momo got wiff of that conversation between the club and BJ he took off to Penrith.
And we all know how BJ has worked out for the club.
BIG MISTAKE!!!


Correct, "it is always safer to buy a "known name" player then a young player" thinking costed us too many times: e..g. Ballin, Packer, Mbye, Roberts, BJ Lailua, Tamou ..
However, with that approach it is easier to cover your a* !
IMHO, we should have kept Momirovski, and traded any of the following: Talau, Mbye, Nofoaluma, M C-K for Laurie!

Didn’t they want Momo?

 

[Elderslie_Tiger]

Is Paul Momorovski a better player than Daine Laurie? No - on any day of the week.

So, in a position where we do not have standout centres or standout fullback, i.e. both positions equally barren, a trade where we get Laurie and lose Momorovski is a good trade.

Dane Laurie was already signed with us for 2022.
That was happening regardless of Momo going to
Penrith or not.
The reason Momo went to Penrith was because we signed BJ and to get him here he was told he was first choice.
When Momo got wiff of that conversation between the club and BJ he took off to Penrith.
And we all know how BJ has worked out for the club.
BIG MISTAKE!!!


Correct, "it is always safer to buy a "known name" player then a young player" thinking costed us too many times: e..g. Ballin, Packer, Mbye, Roberts, BJ Lailua, Tamou ..
However, with that approach it is easier to cover your a* !
IMHO, we should have kept Momirovski, and traded any of the following: Talau, Mbye, Nofoaluma, M C-K for Laurie!

Who would have traded anyone for Mbye the money he was on and expected for the next 2 years WT'S bit the bullet this year and let him go and are contributing to his contract it remains to see if this was the right decision

 

[tigertuff]

Hindsight is always 20/20


Yes, surprisingly, there were quite a few posters who thought the swap was a great idea. The same who thought Moma was not rated in our top 4 centres, justifying the strong desire for change, believing that any change has the opportunity of bringing some kind of overall improvement. For those, I guess the hindsight advantage is kicking in?
Moma didn’t want to go as I recall?

Sometimes the best best option is under our noses all along. Tamou for Eisenhuth, Mcintyre for Offa, Momorovski for Bj, the list goes on. It isnt working for us. The quicker this club starts giving our own a crack and is patient with them the better we will be. Everyone wanted Seyfarth gone this time last year but what do ya know - he is getting better each week and more importantly he wants to be here for the right reasons at half the price.

Offa is better than McIntyre, Tamou and the Huth are a push, Momo would have been better than BJ (in hindsight) but IMO no better than Talau/Kepaoa and Laurie isa massive benefit. Not a strong argument.

I think it is a strong argument. How much more did that cost us in the process. Last time i checked we are going backwards on the ladder and we would have to be on the first or second line of betting for the wooden spoon next year. Im not disputing Laurie isnt a good pick up (and price)- he has been good for us, its the way we go about it that is the problem. Out of curiosity, how much more is Offa on than what Mcintyre was. How much more would have Tamou cost us than Eisenhuth. All these swaps are costing us more for no return in my opinion.

Dont get me wrong, Momo would be first centre picked for us at the moment, but a team with Momo at 4 and Mbye at 1 is not stronger than our current team and I'd suggest that a team with a late season Talau and a fit Kepaoa in the centres with Laurie at 1 is much stronger.

Who says Mbye had to play fullback. Douhie played there the year before and whilst not great went ok. Oh but hang on ,we played him in the centres too because we didnt have a decent one. So how much has all this cost again?

Yeah you are right, we would have had AD at 1 and Mbye at 6. You realise you are strengthening the case to get rid of Momo to get Laurie here.

You have convinced me, thank god we got rid of Momo.

Again who said mbye had to play at 6. If he is the best in that position at the time thats where he plays or you promote from within. You still havent answered my original question though.

Im not sure what your original question is, but if your question is how much has this cost us, my answer is nothing, we have come out of it stronger.

No question that Momo would be first centre picked right now but that brings the opportunity of cost of not having Laurie and Daine has made how team so much stronger than without him. Each of your extrapolations of moving AD or Mbye or who ever around to cover if he wasnt here proves it IMO.

Seems a strange hill to die on, there is no combination with Momo in and Laurie out that makes us noticeably stronger. Seems more to be seeking another opportunity to pile onto Tigers management which seems the new pastime of many here.

Daine has filled a position for us hopefully long term and has been a great pick up - not disputing that. I love what he brings to the team. The point i am trying to make is we have lost our best defensive centre who was on minimum wage and we have now leaked 676 points this year. Mostly through our edges. Are we not now crying out for centres. We have strengthened a position sure but we have now weakened our front line of defense which is our weakest link.
As for my question , it was on the monetary value of all our swapping of players. Surely Tamou is on more than what Eisenhuth was. Same for Offa vs Mcintyre etc. Are we really getting anywhere. The ladder would suggest no.

Did Mcintyre even play a game this year?

Yes he has. He played lock last week whilst the million dollar man Fifita sat on the bench. Whats your point. Do you not think he was improving whilst here. I thought he was and was worth persisting with. We seem to persist with blokes like Luci who misses 20 tackles a game and cost us 3 times as much.

 

[WT2K]

Hindsight is always 20/20


Yes, surprisingly, there were quite a few posters who thought the swap was a great idea. The same who thought Moma was not rated in our top 4 centres, justifying the strong desire for change, believing that any change has the opportunity of bringing some kind of overall improvement. For those, I guess the hindsight advantage is kicking in?
Moma didn’t want to go as I recall?

Sometimes the best best option is under our noses all along. Tamou for Eisenhuth, Mcintyre for Offa, Momorovski for Bj, the list goes on. It isnt working for us. The quicker this club starts giving our own a crack and is patient with them the better we will be. Everyone wanted Seyfarth gone this time last year but what do ya know - he is getting better each week and more importantly he wants to be here for the right reasons at half the price.

Offa is better than McIntyre, Tamou and the Huth are a push, Momo would have been better than BJ (in hindsight) but IMO no better than Talau/Kepaoa and Laurie isa massive benefit. Not a strong argument.

I think it is a strong argument. How much more did that cost us in the process. Last time i checked we are going backwards on the ladder and we would have to be on the first or second line of betting for the wooden spoon next year. Im not disputing Laurie isnt a good pick up (and price)- he has been good for us, its the way we go about it that is the problem. Out of curiosity, how much more is Offa on than what Mcintyre was. How much more would have Tamou cost us than Eisenhuth. All these swaps are costing us more for no return in my opinion.

Dont get me wrong, Momo would be first centre picked for us at the moment, but a team with Momo at 4 and Mbye at 1 is not stronger than our current team and I'd suggest that a team with a late season Talau and a fit Kepaoa in the centres with Laurie at 1 is much stronger.

Who says Mbye had to play fullback. Douhie played there the year before and whilst not great went ok. Oh but hang on ,we played him in the centres too because we didnt have a decent one. So how much has all this cost again?

Yeah you are right, we would have had AD at 1 and Mbye at 6. You realise you are strengthening the case to get rid of Momo to get Laurie here.

You have convinced me, thank god we got rid of Momo.

Again who said mbye had to play at 6. If he is the best in that position at the time thats where he plays or you promote from within. You still havent answered my original question though.

Im not sure what your original question is, but if your question is how much has this cost us, my answer is nothing, we have come out of it stronger.

No question that Momo would be first centre picked right now but that brings the opportunity of cost of not having Laurie and Daine has made how team so much stronger than without him. Each of your extrapolations of moving AD or Mbye or who ever around to cover if he wasnt here proves it IMO.

Seems a strange hill to die on, there is no combination with Momo in and Laurie out that makes us noticeably stronger. Seems more to be seeking another opportunity to pile onto Tigers management which seems the new pastime of many here.

Daine has filled a position for us hopefully long term and has been a great pick up - not disputing that. I love what he brings to the team. The point i am trying to make is we have lost our best defensive centre who was on minimum wage and we have now leaked 676 points this year. Mostly through our edges. Are we not now crying out for centres. We have strengthened a position sure but we have now weakened our front line of defense which is our weakest link.
As for my question , it was on the monetary value of all our swapping of players. Surely Tamou is on more than what Eisenhuth was. Same for Offa vs Mcintyre etc. Are we really getting anywhere. The ladder would suggest no.

Did Mcintyre even play a game this year?

Not sure how many others but started at lock the last two weeks

 

[cochise]

Hindsight is always 20/20


Yes, surprisingly, there were quite a few posters who thought the swap was a great idea. The same who thought Moma was not rated in our top 4 centres, justifying the strong desire for change, believing that any change has the opportunity of bringing some kind of overall improvement. For those, I guess the hindsight advantage is kicking in?
Moma didn’t want to go as I recall?

Sometimes the best best option is under our noses all along. Tamou for Eisenhuth, Mcintyre for Offa, Momorovski for Bj, the list goes on. It isnt working for us. The quicker this club starts giving our own a crack and is patient with them the better we will be. Everyone wanted Seyfarth gone this time last year but what do ya know - he is getting better each week and more importantly he wants to be here for the right reasons at half the price.

Offa is better than McIntyre, Tamou and the Huth are a push, Momo would have been better than BJ (in hindsight) but IMO no better than Talau/Kepaoa and Laurie isa massive benefit. Not a strong argument.

I think it is a strong argument. How much more did that cost us in the process. Last time i checked we are going backwards on the ladder and we would have to be on the first or second line of betting for the wooden spoon next year. Im not disputing Laurie isnt a good pick up (and price)- he has been good for us, its the way we go about it that is the problem. Out of curiosity, how much more is Offa on than what Mcintyre was. How much more would have Tamou cost us than Eisenhuth. All these swaps are costing us more for no return in my opinion.

Dont get me wrong, Momo would be first centre picked for us at the moment, but a team with Momo at 4 and Mbye at 1 is not stronger than our current team and I'd suggest that a team with a late season Talau and a fit Kepaoa in the centres with Laurie at 1 is much stronger.

Who says Mbye had to play fullback. Douhie played there the year before and whilst not great went ok. Oh but hang on ,we played him in the centres too because we didnt have a decent one. So how much has all this cost again?

Yeah you are right, we would have had AD at 1 and Mbye at 6. You realise you are strengthening the case to get rid of Momo to get Laurie here.

You have convinced me, thank god we got rid of Momo.

Again who said mbye had to play at 6. If he is the best in that position at the time thats where he plays or you promote from within. You still havent answered my original question though.

Im not sure what your original question is, but if your question is how much has this cost us, my answer is nothing, we have come out of it stronger.

No question that Momo would be first centre picked right now but that brings the opportunity of cost of not having Laurie and Daine has made how team so much stronger than without him. Each of your extrapolations of moving AD or Mbye or who ever around to cover if he wasnt here proves it IMO.

Seems a strange hill to die on, there is no combination with Momo in and Laurie out that makes us noticeably stronger. Seems more to be seeking another opportunity to pile onto Tigers management which seems the new pastime of many here.

Daine has filled a position for us hopefully long term and has been a great pick up - not disputing that. I love what he brings to the team. The point i am trying to make is we have lost our best defensive centre who was on minimum wage and we have now leaked 676 points this year. Mostly through our edges. Are we not now crying out for centres. We have strengthened a position sure but we have now weakened our front line of defense which is our weakest link.
As for my question , it was on the monetary value of all our swapping of players. Surely Tamou is on more than what Eisenhuth was. Same for Offa vs Mcintyre etc. Are we really getting anywhere. The ladder would suggest no.

Did Mcintyre even play a game this year?

Not sure how many others but started at lock the last two weeks

Thanks mate, I haven't watched much footy the last few weeks.

 

[Tiger5150]

Hindsight is always 20/20


Yes, surprisingly, there were quite a few posters who thought the swap was a great idea. The same who thought Moma was not rated in our top 4 centres, justifying the strong desire for change, believing that any change has the opportunity of bringing some kind of overall improvement. For those, I guess the hindsight advantage is kicking in?
Moma didn’t want to go as I recall?

Sometimes the best best option is under our noses all along. Tamou for Eisenhuth, Mcintyre for Offa, Momorovski for Bj, the list goes on. It isnt working for us. The quicker this club starts giving our own a crack and is patient with them the better we will be. Everyone wanted Seyfarth gone this time last year but what do ya know - he is getting better each week and more importantly he wants to be here for the right reasons at half the price.

Offa is better than McIntyre, Tamou and the Huth are a push, Momo would have been better than BJ (in hindsight) but IMO no better than Talau/Kepaoa and Laurie isa massive benefit. Not a strong argument.

I think it is a strong argument. How much more did that cost us in the process. Last time i checked we are going backwards on the ladder and we would have to be on the first or second line of betting for the wooden spoon next year. Im not disputing Laurie isnt a good pick up (and price)- he has been good for us, its the way we go about it that is the problem. Out of curiosity, how much more is Offa on than what Mcintyre was. How much more would have Tamou cost us than Eisenhuth. All these swaps are costing us more for no return in my opinion.

Dont get me wrong, Momo would be first centre picked for us at the moment, but a team with Momo at 4 and Mbye at 1 is not stronger than our current team and I'd suggest that a team with a late season Talau and a fit Kepaoa in the centres with Laurie at 1 is much stronger.

Who says Mbye had to play fullback. Douhie played there the year before and whilst not great went ok. Oh but hang on ,we played him in the centres too because we didnt have a decent one. So how much has all this cost again?

Yeah you are right, we would have had AD at 1 and Mbye at 6. You realise you are strengthening the case to get rid of Momo to get Laurie here.

You have convinced me, thank god we got rid of Momo.

Again who said mbye had to play at 6. If he is the best in that position at the time thats where he plays or you promote from within. You still havent answered my original question though.

Im not sure what your original question is, but if your question is how much has this cost us, my answer is nothing, we have come out of it stronger.

No question that Momo would be first centre picked right now but that brings the opportunity of cost of not having Laurie and Daine has made how team so much stronger than without him. Each of your extrapolations of moving AD or Mbye or who ever around to cover if he wasnt here proves it IMO.

Seems a strange hill to die on, there is no combination with Momo in and Laurie out that makes us noticeably stronger. Seems more to be seeking another opportunity to pile onto Tigers management which seems the new pastime of many here.

Daine has filled a position for us hopefully long term and has been a great pick up - not disputing that. I love what he brings to the team. The point i am trying to make is we have lost our best defensive centre who was on minimum wage and we have now leaked 676 points this year. Mostly through our edges. Are we not now crying out for centres. We have strengthened a position sure but we have now weakened our front line of defense which is our weakest link.
As for my question , it was on the monetary value of all our swapping of players. Surely Tamou is on more than what Eisenhuth was. Same for Offa vs Mcintyre etc. Are we really getting anywhere. The ladder would suggest no.

Actually your original question regarding Tamou/Huth etc had nothing to do with money. Tamou isnt on big money and even though he has been disappointing, Tamou at worst has been as good as Huth. Offa is streets ahead of McIntyre.

By the way your we lost this guy to get this guy has a few holes in it. We lost McIntyre to get Tuki and I think over time this will be a great win.

Yes Momo would have been better than what we have in the centres now, but no, IMO the team is MUCH stronger with Momo gone and Laurie here.

FWIW I think in the ONE (incomplete) game that Kepaoa played at centre he looked the best option.

 

[tigertuff]

Hindsight is always 20/20


Yes, surprisingly, there were quite a few posters who thought the swap was a great idea. The same who thought Moma was not rated in our top 4 centres, justifying the strong desire for change, believing that any change has the opportunity of bringing some kind of overall improvement. For those, I guess the hindsight advantage is kicking in?
Moma didn’t want to go as I recall?

Sometimes the best best option is under our noses all along. Tamou for Eisenhuth, Mcintyre for Offa, Momorovski for Bj, the list goes on. It isnt working for us. The quicker this club starts giving our own a crack and is patient with them the better we will be. Everyone wanted Seyfarth gone this time last year but what do ya know - he is getting better each week and more importantly he wants to be here for the right reasons at half the price.

Offa is better than McIntyre, Tamou and the Huth are a push, Momo would have been better than BJ (in hindsight) but IMO no better than Talau/Kepaoa and Laurie isa massive benefit. Not a strong argument.

I think it is a strong argument. How much more did that cost us in the process. Last time i checked we are going backwards on the ladder and we would have to be on the first or second line of betting for the wooden spoon next year. Im not disputing Laurie isnt a good pick up (and price)- he has been good for us, its the way we go about it that is the problem. Out of curiosity, how much more is Offa on than what Mcintyre was. How much more would have Tamou cost us than Eisenhuth. All these swaps are costing us more for no return in my opinion.

Dont get me wrong, Momo would be first centre picked for us at the moment, but a team with Momo at 4 and Mbye at 1 is not stronger than our current team and I'd suggest that a team with a late season Talau and a fit Kepaoa in the centres with Laurie at 1 is much stronger.

Who says Mbye had to play fullback. Douhie played there the year before and whilst not great went ok. Oh but hang on ,we played him in the centres too because we didnt have a decent one. So how much has all this cost again?

Yeah you are right, we would have had AD at 1 and Mbye at 6. You realise you are strengthening the case to get rid of Momo to get Laurie here.

You have convinced me, thank god we got rid of Momo.

Again who said mbye had to play at 6. If he is the best in that position at the time thats where he plays or you promote from within. You still havent answered my original question though.

Im not sure what your original question is, but if your question is how much has this cost us, my answer is nothing, we have come out of it stronger.

No question that Momo would be first centre picked right now but that brings the opportunity of cost of not having Laurie and Daine has made how team so much stronger than without him. Each of your extrapolations of moving AD or Mbye or who ever around to cover if he wasnt here proves it IMO.

Seems a strange hill to die on, there is no combination with Momo in and Laurie out that makes us noticeably stronger. Seems more to be seeking another opportunity to pile onto Tigers management which seems the new pastime of many here.

Daine has filled a position for us hopefully long term and has been a great pick up - not disputing that. I love what he brings to the team. The point i am trying to make is we have lost our best defensive centre who was on minimum wage and we have now leaked 676 points this year. Mostly through our edges. Are we not now crying out for centres. We have strengthened a position sure but we have now weakened our front line of defense which is our weakest link.
As for my question , it was on the monetary value of all our swapping of players. Surely Tamou is on more than what Eisenhuth was. Same for Offa vs Mcintyre etc. Are we really getting anywhere. The ladder would suggest no.

Actually your original question regarding Tamou/Huth etc had nothing to do with money. Tamou isnt on big money and even though he has been disappointing, Tamou at worst has been as good as Huth. Offa is streets ahead of McIntyre.

By the way your we lost this guy to get this guy has a few holes in it. We lost McIntyre to get Tuki and I think over time this will be a great win.

Yes Momo would have been better than what we have in the centres now, but no, IMO the team is MUCH stronger with Momo gone and Laurie here.

FWIW I think in the ONE (incomplete) game that Kepaoa played at centre he looked the best option.

No my original question was about the monetary value. Maybe you took it the wrong way. Price them up and get back to me. As for that one game Kapaoa played in the centres he did look good. Agree with you on that one.

 

[tigertuff]

Is Paul Momorovski a better player than Daine Laurie? No - on any day of the week.

So, in a position where we do not have standout centres or standout fullback, i.e. both positions equally barren, a trade where we get Laurie and lose Momorovski is a good trade.

I think that is a different argument altogether although i agree Laurie is a far better player. Not disputing that. It would depend on what your team really needed at the time and weather you could have held out for 12 months as he was coming anyway. In my opinion we are crying out for defensive centres and we had one on minimum wage that did a good job for us and in my opinion was getting better. We have let in 676 points this year. Daine is good but he is not going to make us 676 points better. Lets hope this Gildart is something or we will be going around in circles again.

So all those 676 points were because we let Momo go?

Of course not but he would have saved a stack of em. Maybe even enough to jag a couple of wins. Might have been handy considering we are 4 point out of the 8.

 

[cochise]

Is Paul Momorovski a better player than Daine Laurie? No - on any day of the week.

So, in a position where we do not have standout centres or standout fullback, i.e. both positions equally barren, a trade where we get Laurie and lose Momorovski is a good trade.

I think that is a different argument altogether although i agree Laurie is a far better player. Not disputing that. It would depend on what your team really needed at the time and weather you could have held out for 12 months as he was coming anyway. In my opinion we are crying out for defensive centres and we had one on minimum wage that did a good job for us and in my opinion was getting better. We have let in 676 points this year. Daine is good but he is not going to make us 676 points better. Lets hope this Gildart is something or we will be going around in circles again.

So all those 676 points were because we let Momo go?

Of course not but he would have saved a stack of em. Maybe even enough to jag a couple of wins. Might have been handy considering we are 4 point out of the 8.

So why does Laurie have to make up 676 points?

Momo would have made no difference to us making the 8, in reality we would have been closer to the spoon if he was here.

 

[Tiger5150]

Hindsight is always 20/20


Yes, surprisingly, there were quite a few posters who thought the swap was a great idea. The same who thought Moma was not rated in our top 4 centres, justifying the strong desire for change, believing that any change has the opportunity of bringing some kind of overall improvement. For those, I guess the hindsight advantage is kicking in?
Moma didn’t want to go as I recall?

Sometimes the best best option is under our noses all along. Tamou for Eisenhuth, Mcintyre for Offa, Momorovski for Bj, the list goes on. It isnt working for us. The quicker this club starts giving our own a crack and is patient with them the better we will be. Everyone wanted Seyfarth gone this time last year but what do ya know - he is getting better each week and more importantly he wants to be here for the right reasons at half the price.

Offa is better than McIntyre, Tamou and the Huth are a push, Momo would have been better than BJ (in hindsight) but IMO no better than Talau/Kepaoa and Laurie isa massive benefit. Not a strong argument.

I think it is a strong argument. How much more did that cost us in the process. Last time i checked we are going backwards on the ladder and we would have to be on the first or second line of betting for the wooden spoon next year. Im not disputing Laurie isnt a good pick up (and price)- he has been good for us, its the way we go about it that is the problem. Out of curiosity, how much more is Offa on than what Mcintyre was. How much more would have Tamou cost us than Eisenhuth. All these swaps are costing us more for no return in my opinion.

Dont get me wrong, Momo would be first centre picked for us at the moment, but a team with Momo at 4 and Mbye at 1 is not stronger than our current team and I'd suggest that a team with a late season Talau and a fit Kepaoa in the centres with Laurie at 1 is much stronger.

Who says Mbye had to play fullback. Douhie played there the year before and whilst not great went ok. Oh but hang on ,we played him in the centres too because we didnt have a decent one. So how much has all this cost again?

Yeah you are right, we would have had AD at 1 and Mbye at 6. You realise you are strengthening the case to get rid of Momo to get Laurie here.

You have convinced me, thank god we got rid of Momo.

Again who said mbye had to play at 6. If he is the best in that position at the time thats where he plays or you promote from within. You still havent answered my original question though.

Im not sure what your original question is, but if your question is how much has this cost us, my answer is nothing, we have come out of it stronger.

No question that Momo would be first centre picked right now but that brings the opportunity of cost of not having Laurie and Daine has made how team so much stronger than without him. Each of your extrapolations of moving AD or Mbye or who ever around to cover if he wasnt here proves it IMO.

Seems a strange hill to die on, there is no combination with Momo in and Laurie out that makes us noticeably stronger. Seems more to be seeking another opportunity to pile onto Tigers management which seems the new pastime of many here.

Daine has filled a position for us hopefully long term and has been a great pick up - not disputing that. I love what he brings to the team. The point i am trying to make is we have lost our best defensive centre who was on minimum wage and we have now leaked 676 points this year. Mostly through our edges. Are we not now crying out for centres. We have strengthened a position sure but we have now weakened our front line of defense which is our weakest link.
As for my question , it was on the monetary value of all our swapping of players. Surely Tamou is on more than what Eisenhuth was. Same for Offa vs Mcintyre etc. Are we really getting anywhere. The ladder would suggest no.

Actually your original question regarding Tamou/Huth etc had nothing to do with money. Tamou isnt on big money and even though he has been disappointing, Tamou at worst has been as good as Huth. Offa is streets ahead of McIntyre.

By the way your we lost this guy to get this guy has a few holes in it. We lost McIntyre to get Tuki and I think over time this will be a great win.

Yes Momo would have been better than what we have in the centres now, but no, IMO the team is MUCH stronger with Momo gone and Laurie here.

FWIW I think in the ONE (incomplete) game that Kepaoa played at centre he looked the best option.

No my original question was about the monetary value. Maybe you took it the wrong way. Price them up and get back to me.

The monetary value is completely irrelevant in the context of "We should have kept Momirovski". The monetary value gets sorted out, over a year, over your 30 contracted players. Looking at we lost this one and bought this one from a $$ POV is irrelevant, it matters over the whole squad.

Feels to me that you are reaching. More power to you that you are a fan of Momo. I thought he was OK and probably better than the centre options we have. IMO the squad is strong with Laurie and minus Momo. The options and permutations (McIntyre/Huth etc) you offer I dont think are stronger options, and even if they were at best it would be marginal. It seems a weird hill to die on.

FWIW I wouldnt swap any of Joffa/Tuki/Tuilagi/Blore/Garner/Twal/Stef/ or even Tamou for Huth or McIntyre. They would both be the weakest in our pack (borderline McIntyre for Tamou or Garner). Again, weid that this is what you are going to fight for.


>As for that one game Kapaoa played in the centres he did look good. Agree with you on that one.

 

[TigerTone]

Is Paul Momorovski a better player than Daine Laurie? No - on any day of the week.

So, in a position where we do not have standout centres or standout fullback, i.e. both positions equally barren, a trade where we get Laurie and lose Momorovski is a good trade.

Dane Laurie was already signed with us for 2022.
That was happening regardless of Momo going to
Penrith or not.
The reason Momo went to Penrith was because we signed BJ and to get him here he was told he was first choice.
When Momo got wiff of that conversation between the club and BJ he took off to Penrith.
And we all know how BJ has worked out for the club.
BIG MISTAKE!!!

We released Momo to get Laurie for 21, I'm pretty sure we didn't have momo signed for 22 did we?

Momo left cause we signed BJ otherwise he
wouldve signed on to stay 22 and beyond.
It had nothing to do with Laurie.

BJ was here last year? What evidence do you have that momo wanted to be here in 22? He didn't have a contract here in 22.

His father is my evidence.
I work with him.

 

[TigerTone]

Is Paul Momorovski a better player than Daine Laurie? No - on any day of the week.

So, in a position where we do not have standout centres or standout fullback, i.e. both positions equally barren, a trade where we get Laurie and lose Momorovski is a good trade.

Dane Laurie was already signed with us for 2022.
That was happening regardless of Momo going to
Penrith or not.
***The reason Momo went to Penrith was because we signed BJ and to get him here he was told he was first choice.***
When Momo got wiff of that conversation between the club and BJ he took off to Penrith.
And we all know how BJ has worked out for the club.
BIG MISTAKE!!!

Momo wasnt contracted for 2022, we got Laurie for 2021. We cant have Laurie and Momo in 2021, Laurie strengthens the team.

BJ played for us in 2020. That story that Momo left because BJ was told he was guaranteed 1st grade kinda falls apart with the fact that BJ was dropped to reggies in 2021? How does BJ playing reggies fit in that fairy tale.

If Momo left so he didnt have to compete for his position, then good riddance.

Thats right BJ did sign for us in 2020 , cause we didnt have a centre, We sent our centre to Melbourne Storm on loan for Harry (hooker).
So , like I said earlier , because we signed BJ and thought he would be our saviour , it left Momo out and he chose to go to the Riff.

 

[Tiger5150]

Is Paul Momorovski a better player than Daine Laurie? No - on any day of the week.

So, in a position where we do not have standout centres or standout fullback, i.e. both positions equally barren, a trade where we get Laurie and lose Momorovski is a good trade.

Dane Laurie was already signed with us for 2022.
That was happening regardless of Momo going to
Penrith or not.
***The reason Momo went to Penrith was because we signed BJ and to get him here he was told he was first choice.***
When Momo got wiff of that conversation between the club and BJ he took off to Penrith.
And we all know how BJ has worked out for the club.
BIG MISTAKE!!!

Momo wasnt contracted for 2022, we got Laurie for 2021. We cant have Laurie and Momo in 2021, Laurie strengthens the team.

BJ played for us in 2020. That story that Momo left because BJ was told he was guaranteed 1st grade kinda falls apart with the fact that BJ was dropped to reggies in 2021? How does BJ playing reggies fit in that fairy tale.

If Momo left so he didnt have to compete for his position, then good riddance.

Thats right BJ did sign for us in 2020 , cause we didnt have a centre, We sent our centre to Melbourne Storm on loan for Harry.
So , like I said earlier , because we signed BJ and thought he would be our saviour , it left Momo out and he chose to go to the Riff.

I dont believe for a second that that is the reason why he left, but if he did he is a puss. If he is not prepared to fight for a position, he is exactly the wrong player for us. If he didnt rate BJ and thought he was better he should and could of proven it and fought for it. The fact that early in the season Madge dropped BJ shows that there was no entrenched favouritism. Was Momo promised first grade at Pamfers?