West Coast Pirates Perth NRL side named

[Goose]

All for the WA bid. The Reds were shafted and a huge opportunity was lost 16 years ago. I think RL owes it to the faithful in that state.

WA makes sense for the expnsion of the game and also for the timezone factor when it comes to TV rights/scheduling. And imagine how many NZ born, Perth raised kids will grow up to play in this team and then get selected for NSW or QLD Origin teams?

I think the logo and name is a stinker. But then I thought Melbourne Storm sounded like a netball team.

I thought Western Cubs would have been better. You could have two mascots;

1\. A cute baby bear, and
2\. A 21yo FIFO worker in a lowered HSV ute doing circle work behind the in goal.

a love your work… I agree with the serious part of your post, and almost fell of my chair with the second mascot suggestion.

 

[barra]

Pirates is a winner in my opinion. It'll strike a chord especially with the younger ones.
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[Cultured_Bogan]

All for the WA bid. The Reds were shafted and a huge opportunity was lost 16 years ago. I think RL owes it to the faithful in that state.

WA makes sense for the expnsion of the game and also for the timezone factor when it comes to TV rights/scheduling. And imagine how many NZ born, Perth raised kids will grow up to play in this team and then get selected for NSW or QLD Origin teams?

I think the logo and name is a stinker. But then I thought Melbourne Storm sounded like a netball team.

I thought Western Cubs would have been better. You could have two mascots;

1\. A cute baby bear, and
**2\. A 21yo FIFO worker in a lowered HSV ute doing circle work behind the in goal.**

You've made my night Glen. Kudos to you, good Sir.

 

[Tiger39]

I love the logo, nothing can beat the tigers logo though :smiley:

 

[supercoach]

Good name and Logo, yes its all about the time slot and the tv rights. Its a shame that the central coast will miss out again, the NRL are sweating on a team relocating to the coast rather than give them their own team as they gain nothing from a team on the coast in the TV money. Like with politics if you live in a swinging seat they give you the world but if you live in a strong hold you get jack. Really people of the coast deserve their own team in front of a place that league will run way behind AFL and maybe rugby and football

 

[Jazza]

I like the logo but I would of preferred WA Pirates. West Coast Pirates just seems too long, almost as bad as Greater Western Sydney Giants. I think the short sharp names are the most effective like… Wests Tigers :wink:

Also if the Brisbane team and this bid get in, that's two new teams with an AFL name in them, that being "West Coast" and the "Bombers". The "Brisbane Bombers" is a name I absolutely hate by the way! lol.

 

[wtfl1981]

I like the logo but I would of preferred WA Pirates. West Coast Pirates just seems too long, almost as bad as Greater Western Sydney Suns. I think the short sharp names are the most effective like… Wests Tigers

Also if the Brisbane team and this bid get in, that's two new teams with an AFL name in them, that being "West Coast" and the "Bombers". The "Brisbane Bombers" is a name I absolutely hate by the way! lol.

Ipswich and Newtown should make a joint bid as the Ipswich Jets playing in old Newtown strip. Play out of Suncorp.
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[happy_tiger]

I like the logo but I would of preferred WA Pirates. West Coast Pirates just seems too long, almost as bad as Greater Western Sydney Suns. I think the short sharp names are the most effective like… Wests Tigers

Also if the Brisbane team and this bid get in, that's two new teams with an AFL name in them, that being "West Coast" and the "Bombers". The "Brisbane Bombers" is a name I absolutely hate by the way! lol.

Ipswich and Newtown should make a joint bid as the Ipswich Jets playing in old Newtown strip. Play out of Suncorp.
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Ipswich should go it alone and remain in the green and the white and remain as the sole Jets

 

[Charman]

But…... Can they stop the boats
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[Jazza]

Can't we just add a Central Coast or NZ team instead of another QLD team?
The Origin side claims all these players from outside QLD, surely the QRL and the public can just claim the Central Coast or Wellington as a QLD side as well?

 

[GoldXR50Leroy]

Perth Pumas would have been pretty cool.


Showing my age here but the eventual Western Reds wanted to be called the Perth Pumas back in the early 90's when they first put their bid in, they were hoping that the sporting company Puma would come on board, they didn't!.

 

[Tigerdave]

Can't we just add a Central Coast or NZ team instead of another QLD team?
The Origin side claims all these players from outside QLD, surely the QRL and the public can just claim the Central Coast or Wellington as a QLD side as well?

They need a 2nd Brissie side to have a game there every weekend.

I would also like to see Central Coast Bears and a Perth side, I can see the comp going to 20 teams again at some stage, the 20th team could be another NZ side I guess.

 

[JoshTheNewcastleFan]

At least a Pirate is a tangible mascot. How do you represent Storm in a tangible form?!

I dont know if anyone saw the Newcastle mascot the other night? It was a jester! I mean come on. How unintimidating is that?! They should've had someone in shiny armour with a sword etc, not this bloke:


They still have a Knight on a horse, but the jester has been around for years. :laughing: He's a tradition, he goes around & blows up balloons for little kids & rides a unicycle.

 

[ellery_schofield]

Can't we just add a Central Coast or NZ team instead of another QLD team?
The Origin side claims all these players from outside QLD, surely the QRL and the public can just claim the Central Coast or Wellington as a QLD side as well?

They need a 2nd Brissie side to have a game there every weekend.

I would also like to see Central Coast Bears and a Perth side, I can see the comp going to 20 teams again at some stage, the 20th team could be another NZ side I guess.

this has surely been asked before but given the lack in depth across the current comp, what makes you believe we need any expansion at this time, especially while one of our last expansion teams in the titans remains on the financial brink despite the sale of searley's castle?

 

[Tigerdave]

Can't we just add a Central Coast or NZ team instead of another QLD team?
The Origin side claims all these players from outside QLD, surely the QRL and the public can just claim the Central Coast or Wellington as a QLD side as well?

They need a 2nd Brissie side to have a game there every weekend.

I would also like to see Central Coast Bears and a Perth side, I can see the comp going to 20 teams again at some stage, the 20th team could be another NZ side I guess.

this has surely been asked before but given the lack in depth across the current comp, what makes you believe we need any expansion at this time, especially while one of our last expansion teams in the titans remains on the financial brink despite the sale of searley's castle?

Expansion of the comp is going to happen, that's a given, either in 2014 or 2015, it has nothing to do with what I believe. Whether or not there will be enough depth who knows. Certainly expansion into Perth and Central Coast may bring about more juniors which would lead to more players in the future, but that would take time. There's surely enough players in Brissie to afford to have 2 teams based there.

As for the Titans, what's happening there has little to do with lack of depth across the comp and more to do with bad management.

 

[ellery_schofield]

Can't we just add a Central Coast or NZ team instead of another QLD team?
The Origin side claims all these players from outside QLD, surely the QRL and the public can just claim the Central Coast or Wellington as a QLD side as well?

They need a 2nd Brissie side to have a game there every weekend.

I would also like to see Central Coast Bears and a Perth side, I can see the comp going to 20 teams again at some stage, the 20th team could be another NZ side I guess.

this has surely been asked before but given the lack in depth across the current comp, what makes you believe we need any expansion at this time, especially while one of our last expansion teams in the titans remains on the financial brink despite the sale of searley's castle?

Expansion of the comp is going to happen, that's a given, either in 2014 or 2015, it has nothing to do with what I believe. Whether or not there will be enough depth who knows. Certainly expansion into Perth and Central Coast may bring about more juniors which would lead to more players in the future, but that would take time. There's surely enough players in Brissie to afford to have 2 teams based there.

As for the Titans, what's happening there has little to do with lack of depth across the comp and more to do with bad management.

none of what you've said is true.

expansion is not inevitable in 2014-15 without the possibility of some sort of attrition claiming current franchises.

the central coast is already rife with league juniors, so that argument for expansion is moot. the economy on the central coast currently is attrocious (worse than in Newcastle who had to sell their first born sons to Tinkler to stay afloat) and there are bugger all local financial backers available. also the market there offers no attraction to pay-tv in relation to increased subscriptions and so it offers nothing to the NRL/AIRLC in relation to increased revenue.

what happened at the titans is not only bad management, it is about an economic climate where cronulla, manly, newcastle, penrith, canberra have all suffered ongoing financial hardship that either continues to put a cloud over their long term viabilty or that has been dealt with by big pockets willing to cop a short-term hit.

need it be mentioned that the only reason the storm can exist is because News ltd is prepared to write-off $6.5M per year as their operating costs. what makes you think perth (in a similarly hostile pro-afl market) would be any different?

and it should also be noted that out of the teams struggling mentioned above (incl Melb), that 4 are one team towns, so have a relative monopoly on league marketing yet cannot get a viable financial foothold.

and the other 3 all exist on the outskirts of Sydney (penrith, manly and cronulla) where they should also have a marketing advantage, but fail dismally due to lack of corporate presence and interest.

it is financial realities like these that make expansion highly questionable and will also ensure that the AIRLC amps up its due diligence and probity checks on prospective bids after searle's vanishing millions made the previous administration look stupid.

 

[Tigerdave]

Expansion of the comp is going to happen, that's a given, either in 2014 or 2015, it has nothing to do with what I believe. Whether or not there will be enough depth who knows. Certainly expansion into Perth and Central Coast may bring about more juniors which would lead to more players in the future, but that would take time. There's surely enough players in Brissie to afford to have 2 teams based there.

As for the Titans, what's happening there has little to do with lack of depth across the comp and more to do with bad management.

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none of what you've said is true.

Then I must be reading the wrong sites…...

expansion is not inevitable in 2014-15 without the possibility of some sort of attrition claiming current franchises.

In your opinion. I wasn't stating my opinion with the time frame, that's what the NRL is currently talking about. I agree some Sydney clubs should probably merge/relocate, but all the talk has been around an 18-20 team comp.

the central coast is already rife with league juniors, so that argument for expansion is moot. the economy on the central coast currently is attrocious (worse than in Newcastle who had to sell their first born sons to Tinkler to stay afloat) and there are bugger all local financial backers available. also the market there offers no attraction to pay-tv in relation to increased subscriptions and so it offers nothing to the NRL/AIRLC in relation to increased revenue.

what happened at the titans is not only bad management, it is about an economic climate where cronulla, manly, newcastle, penrith, canberra have all suffered ongoing financial hardship that either continues to put a cloud over their long term viabilty or that has been dealt with by big pockets willing to cop a short-term hit.

need it be mentioned that the only reason the storm can exist is because News ltd is prepared to write-off $6.5M per year as their operating costs. what makes you think perth (in a similarly hostile pro-afl market) would be any different?

and it should also be noted that out of the teams struggling mentioned above (incl Melb), that 4 are one team towns, so have a relative monopoly on league marketing yet cannot get a viable financial foothold.

and the other 3 all exist on the outskirts of Sydney (penrith, manly and cronulla) where they should also have a marketing advantage, but fail dismally due to lack of corporate presence and interest.

it is financial realities like these that make expansion highly questionable and will also ensure that the AIRLC amps up its due diligence and probity checks on prospective bids after searle's vanishing millions made the previous administration look stupid.

Could the Central Coast potentially have more juniors getting involved if they have a side permanently based there? Wouldn't there potentially be more people interested in pay tv subscriptions if they had their own side to support?

Yes Melbourne isn't paying their own way, I personally thought that was a bad move to begin with, but I think the NRL is stuck with it. As for the Titans, again, I don't think the NRL is going to let yet another Gold Coast side fall by the wayside. Both are probably going to be money drainers for a long while.

As for some Sydney clubs in financial struggles, I don't see how that's an argument against expansion into areas that either have no team or very few, like Perth and a 2nd Brissie side. Certainly, given the Titans, the NRL will need to keep a closer eye on things.

 

[Yossarian]

none of what you've said is true.

expansion is not inevitable in 2014-15 without the possibility of some sort of attrition claiming current franchises.

the central coast is already rife with league juniors, so that argument for expansion is moot. the economy on the central coast currently is attrocious (worse than in Newcastle who had to sell their first born sons to Tinkler to stay afloat) and there are bugger all local financial backers available. also the market there offers no attraction to pay-tv in relation to increased subscriptions and so it offers nothing to the NRL/AIRLC in relation to increased revenue.

what happened at the titans is not only bad management, it is about an economic climate where cronulla, manly, newcastle, penrith, canberra have all suffered ongoing financial hardship that either continues to put a cloud over their long term viabilty or that has been dealt with by big pockets willing to cop a short-term hit.

need it be mentioned that the only reason the storm can exist is because News ltd is prepared to write-off $6.5M per year as their operating costs. what makes you think perth (in a similarly hostile pro-afl market) would be any different?

and it should also be noted that out of the teams struggling mentioned above (incl Melb), that 4 are one team towns, so have a relative monopoly on league marketing yet cannot get a viable financial foothold.

and the other 3 all exist on the outskirts of Sydney (penrith, manly and cronulla) where they should also have a marketing advantage, but fail dismally due to lack of corporate presence and interest.

it is financial realities like these that make expansion highly questionable and will also ensure that the AIRLC amps up its due diligence and probity checks on prospective bids after searle's vanishing millions made the previous administration look stupid.

When was the last time you were on the Central Coast? Come to think of it, if you think Manly is on the outskirts of Sydney, when was the last time you were in Sydney?

To describe the CC enocomy as "attrocious" is a bit OTT. There is plenty of economic support on the CC. Look at the Mariners for one thing. In any case it won't be economics that stops the CC Bears being included.

Yes there are a lot of junior teams but it is a big area. It's a long trip from the Peninsula up to Gwandalan with a lot of people packed in. There is plenty of opposition from the other codes though. The issue though is with no pathway, local kids either have to go to Newcastle or Sydney to play for junior rep teams with NRL affiliation.

You're right about pay-tv though. A CC team wouldn't add much to that. That plus the perception that it is another Sydney team will be the real killer.

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

With regard to expansion, the NRL should do the following:

1\. Complete an independent audit of every current NRL franchise before the completion of the new NRL deal. Clubs are going to start receiving much larger grants. The NRL should ensure there are no skeletons in the cupboard (eg: Titans)

2\. Complete new TV deal

3\. Announce the date of expansion with the 4 of the following franchises being granted admission:
- Central Coast
- 2nd Brisbane team
- Perth
- Central Qld
- 2nd NZ team
- PNG
- Adelaide (does a bid exist?)

4\. After reviewing the criteria used in 1998, implement a new criteria for existing NRL clubs. This criteria should take into account the independent audit completed. The new competition will be a 16 or 18 team competition. Yes, this means 2 or 4 of the existing franchises need to merge, relocate or be cut. Surely after the Super League war and the Souths debacle, contracts between the NRL and the clubs allow the NRL to cut teams under certain provisos.

Just picking some random teams, I would think the following would be in the cross hairs of the ARLC:

- Cronulla
- Manly
- Titans (maybe merge with Brisbane team?)
- Parramatta

 

[Tiger_Watto]

Well thought out Gary… It is my understanding the ARLC would prefer to keep the 16 team format, but concedes it will need to grow/change before the right 16 team format can become a reality.

In relation to culling teams, It appears they wont go down this path due to legal jurgen. Clubs will need to fold, and I'd say the ARLC wont offer funding to prop up select franchises if the need arises.

The only other way forward is for the ARLC to form a New National Competition and not offer franchise agreements to clubs they feel do not meet set criteria, but continue a second tier national comp which 'those' franchises would play in if they chose. Sounds Familiar???