Western Sydney Wanderers

[happy_tiger]

I agree with Peaches but can see where Ink and Stryker are coming from

Maybe if the RBB are concerned with the bad element from their own fans the best solution would be self regulation

If you see your own fans acting up , a few have a quick word with them telling them they won't be welcome and that their details will be passed on to the authorities would do the trick pretty quickly

My old man was good with that , he'd see a Wests fan playing up and put them in their place pretty quickly and I've seen him giving it to fellow Broncos fans as well

He's given Happy a few clips behind the ear when I've screamed at a ref or opposing player

One particular game comes to mind , in the State League in 1984 Wests were having a fantastic season (For them ) and we played Toowoomba in a game of the round and we were equal top of the table

First half both Tony Currie and Norm Carr broke their arms They were our best two players by a long way and it meant our season was over I screamed at the Toowoomba players that I hoped they would break their own arms (Give me a break I was 14 ) and the old man went whooska LOL

My point is that if the majority stands up to the minority the minority will either cease or stop coming which either way is win /win

 

[Marshall_magic]

Spewing we couldn't get the win tonight. We don't match up very well against the Phoenix at all. I don't think the Beauchamp fans will have too much to say now in regards to Spiranovic being selected over him.

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When Bridgey knocked in the opener I thought we'd put another couple in and run away with it, certainly didn't see that coming though. Frustrating game, we kept the ball well but just couldn't come up with the finishes we needed, several times we looked set to score but the flag went up as well. Beauchamp did have a poor game tonight, I rate Spiranovic as the better player of the two.

 

[Peaches]

Spewing we couldn't get the win tonight. We don't match up very well against the Phoenix at all. I don't think the Beauchamp fans will have too much to say now in regards to Spiranovic being selected over him.

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When Bridgey knocked in the opener I thought we'd put another couple in and run away with it, certainly didn't see that coming though. Frustrating game, we kept the ball well but just couldn't come up with the finishes we needed, several times we looked set to score but the flag went up as well. Beauchamp did have a poor game tonight, I rate Spiranovic as the better player of the two.

Spiranovic is definately the better player. He's so much classier and comfortable on the ball. If he had a decent club career over the past couple of years, he would be the first centre back selected in the national team.

We always seem to struggle against the Phoenix. They just don't go away and take their opportunities well. Definately our bogey side.

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[happy_tiger]

The one club I'd be concerned if they make the finals is Adelaide

They seem to have turned a corner and are playing good football

 

[Peaches]

The one club I'd be concerned if they make the finals is Adelaide

They seem to have turned a corner and are playing good football

We have a pretty good record against them though so I'm not overly concerned. Djite has given them a target man which has made it easier on their defense and released some of the pressure they couldn't expel.

A full strength Brisbane and Victory are the only teams that worry me. The Mariners haven't been the same team all season and now Arnie's gone, they don't look to be a consistent enough threat. The Heart try hard, Sydney is nothing without Del Piero, the Glory are run by its players and the Phoenix struggle for consistency and class throughout a whole season.

In saying what I've said, the league is continuing to improve. It's going pretty well and the younger players are showing some great qualities and work ethics.

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[Peaches]

Well the FFA have given delayed suspensions to the Victory and Wanderers. They'll lose 3 points next time they bring the game into disrepute (whatever that means?). There have been numerous incidents in other matches that have gone through without so much of a warning this was coming.

It opens up so many cans of worms. The YouTube footage was deemed damning. The actual footage is a mess and the only thing clear is an Anti-Victory chant. Its been suggested if this was what was brought the game into disrepute, will we see supporters dressed in opposition colours making a mock video? Will fans wear opposition colours and cause trouble at games their teams aren't playing at so they lose points?

It's just a mess and the wrong way to go about the situation the game has found itself in my option. One police car outside the pub would have stopped this whole mess. I'm not sure why there wasn't as there has been at least 3 at every pre-match pub I've attends. And it's not as if they weren't notified what the chosen pub was. It was actually suggested by the Vic police and taken up on with the FFA, Vic police and the Wanderers knowing which pub they'll be attending.

Hopefully every A-League stakeholder takes on the responsibility to improve the areas of the game that need addressing.

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[innsaneink]

always someone elses fault isnt it?

 

[innsaneink]

THEY are feared in Europe and - until now - did not exist in Australia.

But The Sunday Telegraph can today reveal that police have heightened fears A-League football is experiencing its first hooligan football "firms" after identifying groups of organised troublemakers across the game.
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Senior police say they are involved in extensive, cross-border intelligence-gathering operations to pinpoint and root out troublemakers acting as muscle for the clubs.

One group that has caught their attention is known as the Northgate Hooligans, which was formed about a year ago and is loyal to the Western Sydney Wanderers.

Police last week filmed RBB and Northgate members as they conducted their pre-game march towards Parramatta Stadium.

Trouble brews at a match b etween Melbourne Victory and Sydney FC

Trouble brews at a match b etween Melbourne Victory and Sydney FC Source: News Limited

Northgate members were confirmed as being involved in a violent confrontation with Melbourne Victory supporters late last month that left several people in hospital.

Another splinter group, AMOK, is comprised of younger members aged between 15 and 20 years.

Assistant Commissioner Alan Clarke, Commander of the Major Events and Incidents Group, said police were watching the issue closely and had a "comprehensive intelligence strategy" to keep the matter under control.

"We're not on the scale of the UK but we do recognise we have a problem," Mr Clarke said.

"We certainly recognise there are splinter groups that represent a high risk.

"We particularly target these groups and individuals within them.

"We're talking about a small group of people who have the potential to ruin the game for a large group."

English football firms are notoriously violent and routinely clash with members of opposing firms that support rival teams.

Victory fans are lit by the orange colour of a flare the was set off after a goal.

Victory fans are lit by the orange colour of a flare the was set off after a goal. Source: News Limited

NSW police have travelled to the UK and worked with its football policing unit to develop a way to control the emergence of hooliganism in Australian Football.

Senior police have also briefed the SCG Trust, which was worried following a spate of recent violent incidents.

On Wednesday, The Sunday Telegraph watched as diehard RBB supporters marched to Parramatta Stadium for their team's match against Wellington Phoenix.

Police were filming specific individuals during the march as part of an intelligence-gathering exercise.

Social media sites are also being closely examined by police, The Sunday Telegraph has been told.

Some in the crowd wore T-shirts stating: "Northgate Hooligans" and a man with a loudspeaker, known to supporters as a "capo", instructed all those present not to speak with the media.

Also of concern to police were a group known as "casuals", who are more willing to be involved in violence. Authorities are working to pinpoint who these ''casuals'' are and which supporter base they are from.

Wanderers fans at AAMI Stadium in Melbourne


Wanderers fans at AAMI Stadium in Melbourne Source: News Limited

The Northgate Hooligans group has its own crest and several members have been photographed with it tattooed on their body.

One online posting made by a loyal Wanderers fan summarised the role of both groups, saying: "Northgate is our firm and guys who like to get into a bit of a scrap with whoever is willing, and AMOK is our youth group with the same mentality."

An RBB spokesman insisted the issue was a misunderstanding, saying the term "Northgate" referred to the stadium entry point that its fans use when they attend club games.

The "Hooligans" moniker was a "joke", they said, and both the Northgate and the AMOK subgroups were simply "groups of friends".

"Nearly every (football) supporter group in the country had subgroups well before the Western Sydney Wanderers was formed," the spokesman said.

The RBB spokesman yesterday strongly denied claims the subgroups were formed for violence.

Over the past year, about 25 Wanderers supporters have been banned from attending matches, including two who were involved in the violent altercation in Melbourne on December 28.

A further seven fans from Melbourne Victory have been banned, along with nine from Sydney FC.

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[Peaches]

If I could describe that article in a word it would be "alarmist" and since I put quotations around it, it's even more alarming. There were two articles that come out today. One from Rebecca Wilson and one from a political reporter. I'm not sure which one the above is from but they're both ridiculous and alarmist to say the least.

Of course the capo told everyone not to talk to the media. They don't report the story truly. The capo also told everyone not to cover their faces and to follow the orders of he, the marshall's and the police. But of course that's not reported because that would make it a balanced article where it's clear we aren't an unruly criminal mob.

This crap about subgroups is hilarious. There's a group called the CPC. Sound dangerous? They are the corner post crew as that's where they all chose to sit and have now become close mates. We've got the Inner West Crew because that's where they are from Sydney. The Topor-Standley crew. There's a bay somewhere on the eastern stand where they all have their own scarves.
They are literally just subgroups of people formed either from where they live or where they watch the game from. The article is just really really poor and filled with lies, baseless facts and was written to stir people up. One of the blokes replied to Rebecca Wilson pretty much what I just said. Her reply back to him was "get over it".

Once again the incident done in Melbourne was due to a few stupid immature Victory fans attacking a pub that had only 1 or 2 security members and no police. Why there was no police at the pub is the real mystery. The time of the attack also occurred when police had changeover. Coincidence or not?

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[Marshall_magic]

Rebecca Wilson again showed how despicable she truly is by comparing the behaviour of A-League fans to what happened at Hillsborough when the two things are completely different (the fans aren't even to blame for Hillsborough anymore).

What happened at the pub in Melbourne (based on what I've been told by several different fans) was a complete ambush. I have no idea why the local police weren't at there at the time, at every other away trip I have been to there is always a strong police presence at the pre-game drinks even when kick off is hours away.

 

[stryker]

A couple of questions for you two boys…

Why should the police be stationed at whatever pub you lot decide to have a drink at?
Why cant you go and watch a game of soccer without carrying on like you're more important than the teams?
Why do the supporter bases divide themselves up into crews?
Why are you allowed to march through the streets like entitled brats?
Why are there heaps of you at the games with you"re shirts off and bandannas wrapped around your heads?

At the end of the day you are soccer fans who follow specific clubs. You have no particular skills, you aren't entertainers, you are not the main act nor the reason other fans go to the game.

Why do you think you should be treated differently than fans going to the Cricket? AFL? RL? Tennis? etc...
Why do you think you are the cool kids who should be notoriously known, with your little group name abreviations etc?

You have stated before when you are "marching" everyone you pass is smiling and honking horns in support. I wouldnt be surprised if they are not smiling, more so they are amused at the way your carrying on....they are laughing at you! If I saw this I wouldnt think "oh good there goes the RBB off to the game...good luck boys, hope you win" Id shake my head and think "what a pathetic collection of trucken bankers".

Why dont you all just go to the game and support your side like every other bloody sporting fan in this country does?
Why the big show and dance?
At the end of the day I guess the concise question is...Who the hell do you think you are?

The only conclusion that can be drawn is that those in charge of this crap are making statements whilst big noting themselves and I for one am glad the coppers are keeping this under surveilance. As mentioned earlier, I have seen English "firms" in action and there is nothing cool or romantic about their support for their teams.

BTW, I still notice that everything is the Melbourne crew's fault...they just attacked a group of soccer fans having a couple of quieties before the game did they? Just minding their own business? Nothing done to provoke it?

B-S!

 

[stryker]

Also…when I think about you saying that these crews are fans from certain pockets of the community representing their local area I immediately think of Alii G and his boys screaming "West Siiiidddeeeeeeeee" LOL Jesus Christ, next you will be wearing t-shirts with your postcodes printed on them and inventing handshakes.....

 

[innsaneink]

Hit the nail on the head stryker.

Its not about the game, or the team. club.

Its all about themselves…."look at us...dont f++k with us!"....under the guise of supporting a soccer team

Another WSW/MV game coming up soon....the taxpayer will no doubt be forking out 20fold what it nomally costs to police events with large crowds.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

It's a sad state of affairs when it's already getting to these levels. WSW are only halfway through their second season and already being linked up with all these shenanigans. It's alleged a Sydney FC fan stabbed someone after the Melbourne Victory game up here. Victory fans cause trouble everywhere they go. It's a shame because all these events overshadow a game that is trying to grow and gain foothold in Australia. All these anti-social people are ruining the game and giving it a bad reputation.

I believe the clubs need to do more to weed out these fans because they are not just a danger to themselves or opposition fans, they endanger their fellow fans. It will only be a matter of time when some clown starts some trouble at the football, and some bloke who went with his two young kids will get jumped by some liquored up opposition fans because they were "disrespected" or some such nonsense.

I'm much like Peaches in the sense that when I go to the football I sit in the active supporters bay (where they chant, sing etc,) but I rarely ever partake in the prematch stuff because you're flanked by police and portions of the group are swearing and carrying on, as a result I don't want to be associated with that. I'll drink at the pre-match pub but I'll leave early to avoid the marches.

I just hope it doesn't escalate to the levels of the old NSL days where teams had to play behind closed doors, or worse yet, Europe, where you "go to a fight and a game of football breaks out."

 

[Peaches]

I'm going to answer your post Stryker. I've quoted your whole post because I'm in roarfeed aap and I would forget most of it if I didn't.

Q. Why should the police be stationed at whatever pub you lot decide to have a drink at?

A. More often then not its because there is a large group of people drinking at the same venue. I'm talking over the venues capacity for a few hours so it's only natural police would want to be there should anything happen. The Melbourne incident is only the third incident I know of at a pre-match pub. The first was when the police took the Wanderers fans against their wishes past a Sydney FC pub. Who knows what they were thinking there. The second was that stupid moron who through a glass onto a table if Sydney FC fans. Everyone in the support group had tried to work out who that moron on was and we haven't been able to work it out.

Q. Why cant you go and watch a game of soccer without carrying on like you're more important than the teams?

A. We don't carry on like we're more important. We are just more active in our support which is outside the norm and people seem to be afraid of what they don't know. Before I joined I thought the same as you.

Q. Why do the supporter bases divide themselves up into crews?

A. We aren't divided into "crews" as you would have it. Your "crews" are just groups of friends. That's it. That's their name so others know who they are. I'd be classed as a 55er because that's the bay I'm in.

Q. Why are you allowed to march through the streets like entitled brats?

A. Everyone is entitled to a march if you register with the correct authorities. For the record it's not a RBB or Wanderers march. One person has to put their name down and if anyone does something and can't be identified, the person named on the march request is held liable. So the leader of the RBB puts his own name down. It's a tradition of the sport. I believe the police prefer us in a march too so then we're all together and the footpaths aren't chokers with people falling onto the road in front of traffic like what would be when we decide to leave the pub.

Q. Why are there heaps of you at the games with you"re shirts off and bandannas wrapped around your heads?

A. I can't answer that one as I don't do so. I believe some people are worried about being associated with the RBB & Wanderers due to some believe it to being a gang and whatnot. When you're a primary school teacher, lawyer or accountant where image matters, I guess in some way I can understand. I myself only cover my face when a flair is lit in my vicinity. I have no problem saying what I do in my leisure time as it's not breaking any law and has been one of the best experiences of my life.

Their shorts off would be because the amount of sweat we perspire. It's really tough work being active haha. My fitness has stayed up in the off-season haha.

Q. At the end of the day you are soccer fans who follow specific clubs. You have no particular skills, you aren't entertainers, you are not the main act nor the reason other fans go to the game.

Why do you think you should be treated differently than fans going to the Cricket? AFL? RL? Tennis? etc…
Why do you think you are the cool kids who should be notoriously known, with your little group name abreviations etc?

A. I'm not sure what you're referring to there. RBB maybe? That's the name of the active support. Like the Wests Tigers is the Jungle from memory.
We don't think we should be treated differently because we're not. It's people who think the club and all it's supporters are criminals and anti-social that think we want to be treated differently.

Q. You have stated before when you are "marching" everyone you pass is smiling and honking horns in support. I wouldnt be surprised if they are not smiling, more so they are amused at the way your carrying on....they are laughing at you! If I saw this I wouldnt think "oh good there goes the RBB off to the game...good luck boys, hope you win" Id shake my head and think "what a pathetic collection of trucken bankers".

A. Well you would be in the minority then. Ask all the business owners in Paramatta on gameday what their thoughts are and I guarantee you they and their cash registers are happy to have us.

Q. Why dont you all just go to the game and support your side like every other bloody sporting fan in this country does?
Why the big show and dance?
At the end of the day I guess the concise question is...Who the hell do you think you are?

A. That is exactly what we're doing. We are supporting our side in an active manner. That is it. Come watch a game and experience a gameday with all the fans and you'll be think what on earth is all the fuss about.

Q. The only conclusion that can be drawn is that those in charge of this crap are making statements whilst big noting themselves and I for one am glad the coppers are keeping this under surveilance. As mentioned earlier, I have seen English "firms" in action and there is nothing cool or romantic about their support for their teams.

BTW, I still notice that everything is the Melbourne crew's fault...they just attacked a group of soccer fans having a couple of quieties before the game did they? Just minding their own business? Nothing done to provoke it?

B-S!

A. That's what happened. If you don't want to believe that, there is nothing I can do. I've spoken to a few of the boys involved and they said it was just ridiculous that their was no police, only 1 or 2 guards and then the crap hit the fan. The RBB had been supportive of the Victory's active support stance against their club. We now know why the club has this stance against them. Just like us, the Victory have some supporters who aren't true fans of the game or the club. And they were who attacked the pub.

I'm not saying all Wanderers fans are football fans in general aren't of the same thought process and clean football supporting as myself and the 99% of them. However the 1% are and they'll be weeded out. Just like the Tigers fans who act stupid and inappropriatly, there are other fans. It's a societal issue. And the media seems to love to make up crap about the club and it's fans. Whether it's because the tv networks have huge amounts of money invested in rival codes or the newspapers need to sensationalize everything in the modern day of 24 hour news cycle and their dwindling profits, football seems to be an easy target.

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[Saturnalia]

I rarely attend A-League games anymore, normally I'd be happy to head down myself but now if I'm not with a few mates then it seems "risky". Besides can watch the games from the comfort of home anyway.

 

[Peaches]

I rarely attend A-League games anymore, normally I'd be happy to head down myself but now if I'm not with a few mates then it seems "risky". Besides can watch the games from the comfort of home anyway.

I'm disappointed you feel that way. The atmosphere at games has improved over the past couple of seasons and is continuing to do so. You are missing out on a real experience. In saying that I've been at a few matches where it's been raining cats and dogs, or been sweating profusely, and said to a couple of mates that it would be nice to be somewhere more comfortable haha.
You should feel the right to be safe and if you regard it as a risk unless your with mates, then fair enough. All I can say is that I feel 100% safe and if I thought I was putting my safety at risk, I'd reconsider my following of the sport.

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[Peaches]

http://m.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/double-standards-at-play-over-football-violence-20140108-30gko.html

The above article is written by a Sydney FC fan. I couldn't have said it any better myself.

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[wtigers]

http://m.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/double-standards-at-play-over-football-violence-20140108-30gko.html

The above article is written by a Sydney FC fan. I couldn't have said it any better myself.

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The media was everywhere attacking Gallen after that. This person is 100% blind to the fact that every sport has copped criticism, and is obviously just getting devensive now that their favourite is being tainted by people who king hit.
They're even using a mindless personal anecdote to dismiss a whole sports fans. Because there's been so many league riots over the years right? We're the fans that should be dismissed.
The reality is every sporting code has it's highs and lows and pretending that some are inherently better or have somehow less violent fans is just plain stupid.

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[system]

Soccer finally being hit by the torch of News Ltd.

I am not 100% sure but I would imagine that means that News Ltd's media deal is concluding within the next few years. It is what they did in RL for years. Devalue through negative publicity.

As for the SMH article it is pretty laughable. Trying to divert attention by pointing out the shortcomings of other codes through misrepresentation and hearsay is just pathetic.

Concentrate on exploring solutions for the problems faced of the sport you love. But I guess it is easier to blame everybody else and even throw the old race card in there.

If the author wants to use a RL example based in fact then I would suggest the Bulldogs is the perfect place to start and finish. A club plagued by idiots and thugs in small numbers ruining their reputation. Ill informed previous administrations made all the excuses, trotted out the cultural differences crap and nothing happened to stem the tide. A real administrator steps in, hands out bans and lays down the law and things changed