Western Sydney Wanderers

@Peaches said:
http://m.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/double-standards-at-play-over-football-violence-20140108-30gko.html

The above article is written by a Sydney FC fan. I couldn't have said it any better myself.

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It's true to an extent, but still it doesn't excuse any football related violence at all. You, just like most football fans, need to accept that the media will prey on any issues and highlight them… It;s how they sell papers. The blow up between WSW and Victards was still serious, just as the alleged stabbing of a Victard by a Sydney FC fan.

Just accept that these things happen, decry them and move on. Some people will tow the line of the media and swallow every word, let them believe it. There are ratbag fans in every club, in every sport. Anyone with half a brain knows that 99% of the RBB (or the Cove, Squadron etc) are decent people whom don't go to the football for any other reason than to watch the football. Some will play up and ruin it for everyone, it's been like that since the dawn of time.
 
The reason why I posted the article was to show that incidents at games are not seen just at football (soccer) but they are also prevalent at rugby league, cricket, AFL and I'm sure every popular spectator sport. These incidents form the minority in all these situations. This has been my point the whole time. Don't let minority incidents cloud your judgement of the sport or your support of the sport as a whole. Because then the minority win and in this case that means everyone is a loser.

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The WSW incident garnered very small attention when compared to the Bulldogs incidents several years back.

The problem which A League and their clubs must get on top of is weeding out and banning the scumbag element who dominated the old NSL days.
 
Im a Wanderers fan, even my 2yr old has colours.

Peaches, even if you truly believe that the Melbourne fans attacked the pub unprovoked, how is it that you can legitimize a pitched street battle as retaliation as being the correct reaction? Honestly, convince me, because the second you try to tell me that it is the correct response, you lose all credability.
 
@smeghead said:
The WSW incident garnered very small attention when compared to the Bulldogs incidents several years back.

The problem which A League and their clubs must get on top of is weeding out and banning the scumbag element who dominated the old NSL days.

I didn't see too much NSL but the scumbag element now would be younger then those causing trouble back then.

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Which is why it needs to be eradicated now if soccer is truly going to grow as a top tier competition
 
Yeah, it's more than just club hatred with the NSL folks Peaches, it was cultural.

It's very likely that their kids have been brought up with the same attitude and it will carry over to the A-League. It's already starting to look like it will seep through as WSW has a few Croatians on their books and FC has a number of Serbians on theirs. Give it time and the Serb/Croat BS will start again, and it will be simply viewed as derby tension.
 
@Black'n'White said:
Im a Wanderers fan, even my 2yr old has colours.

Peaches, even if you truly believe that the Melbourne fans attacked the pub unprovoked, how is it that you can legitimize a pitched street battle as retaliation as being the correct reaction? Honestly, convince me, because the second you try to tell me that it is the correct response, you lose all credability.

I don't know why they attacked the pub down in Melbourne. There was something said about a revenge attack from when they were up here but I know nothing of that incident and I know most incidents involving fans of the club. The Melbourne Victory have had off-field trouble with pretty much every club they run into. Sydney FC, Melbourne Heart and Adelaide have had all incidents over the years. Their rogue element seems a bit larger then ours and one the club has had enough of, hence the sanctions the club has chosen to enforce this year.

And it wasn't a pitched street battle. It was a reaction to the pub/restaurant being attacked, of which there were many families inside. I've told you what's happened a few times. I've never been in anything that could be regarded as a fight but it sounds like even I would have been involved in this one. For that I'm thankful I didn't go down to the match because as I tell my mates; I won my last fight by 60 meters hahaha

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@smeghead said:
Which is why it needs to be eradicated now if soccer is truly going to grow as a top tier competition

Agreed. The way the FFA is going about it with point deductions is not the right way though. These people acting out aren't fans or supporters.

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Really though. Adults go inside, close the doors and allow security to do their job at the entrance until Police arrive.

Idiots go chasing looking to carry on the fight.
 
@Peaches said:
@smeghead said:
Which is why it needs to be eradicated now if soccer is truly going to grow as a top tier competition

Agreed. The way the FFA is going about it with point deductions is not the right way though. These people acting out aren't fans or supporters.

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I would argue it is the perfect way.

The only way to get rid of these idiots is if fans of the team are vigilant and have motivation to report this kind of crap.
 
@Peaches said:
@Black'n'White said:
Im a Wanderers fan, even my 2yr old has colours.

Peaches, even if you truly believe that the Melbourne fans attacked the pub unprovoked, how is it that you can legitimize a pitched street battle as retaliation as being the correct reaction? Honestly, convince me, because the second you try to tell me that it is the correct response, you lose all credability.

I don't know why they attacked the pub down in Melbourne. There was something said about a revenge attack from when they were up here but I know nothing of that incident and I know most incidents involving fans of the club. The Melbourne Victory have had off-field trouble with pretty much every club they run into. Sydney FC, Melbourne Heart and Adelaide have had all incidents over the years. Their rogue element seems a bit larger then ours and one the club has had enough of, hence the sanctions the club has chosen to enforce this year.

And it wasn't a pitched street battle. It was a reaction to the pub/restaurant being attacked, of which there were many families inside. I've told you what's happened a few times. I've never been in anything that could be regarded as a fight but it sounds like even I would have been involved in this one. For that I'm thankful I didn't go down to the match because as I tell my mates; I won my last fight by 60 meters hahaha

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Some Victards were jumped last time they were up here playing WSW.

Probably why they did carry on the way they did.

You think what they did to the Wanderers was bad, any FC fan who travels to Melbourne in a couple of weeks to watch them play are asking for it.
 
@Cultured Bogan said:
Yeah, it's more than just club hatred with the NSL folks Peaches, it was cultural.

It's very likely that their kids have been brought up with the same attitude and it will carry over to the A-League. It's already starting to look like it will seep through as WSW has a few Croatians on their books and FC has a number of Serbians on theirs. Give it time and the Serb/Croat BS will start again, and it will be simply viewed as derby tension.

I don't see it that being played out that way now. The only Croatian we have is Poljak. Spiranovic, Juric and Popovic are Australians and both players will probably move to a bigger club sooner rather then later. Sydney FC does have a few Serbians though it's hardly a cultural club.

The only time I ever see this national heritage is when it's brought up. To me and many other fans, they're two different clubs. The ones who bring it up, are people who don't want to let it go.

Wanderers fans are made up of every national heritage. There are probably more South Americans then Europeans when I think about it. Then we have the those of African or Asian heritage and the traditional Anglo-Westies hahaha

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@smeghead said:
Really though. Adults go inside, close the doors and allow security to do their job at the entrance until Police arrive.

Idiots go chasing looking to carry on the fight.

Security were way out numbered and police didn't arrive for over 15 mins. From what I hear there was no other option. The Wanderers boys didn't go seeking trouble but they weren't going to run away from it either

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There is always other options.

I understand the desire to defend the group you align with, that is normal but really you are defending the indefensible from my perspective.

I would argue that bravado and protecting the groups reputation were the main driving factors, especially considering the internet back and forth that preceded and followed the incident

Making excuses for it is the worst thing you can do.
 
@Peaches said:
@Cultured Bogan said:
Yeah, it's more than just club hatred with the NSL folks Peaches, it was cultural.

It's very likely that their kids have been brought up with the same attitude and it will carry over to the A-League. It's already starting to look like it will seep through as WSW has a few Croatians on their books and FC has a number of Serbians on theirs. Give it time and the Serb/Croat BS will start again, and it will be simply viewed as derby tension.

I don't see it that being played out that way now. The only Croatian we have is Poljak. Spiranovic, Juric and Popovic are Australians and both players will probably move to a bigger club sooner rather then later. Sydney FC does have a few Serbians though it's hardly a cultural club.

The only time I ever see this national heritage is when it's brought up. To me and many other fans, they're two different clubs. The ones who bring it up, are people who don't want to let it go.

Wanderers fans are made up of every national heritage. There are probably more South Americans then Europeans when I think about it. Then we have the those of African or Asian heritage and the traditional Anglo-Westies hahaha

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A lot of Serbs and Croats are like that though Peaches. I've got friends from both sides of the fence and it runs deep in them even though they are all pretty much born here themselves. They are indoctrinated by their relatives.

Not saying they will become cultural clubs, but the seeds are there for it to flourish. I don't mind if the A-League docks points for any club whose fanbase are behaving badly, as Smeg says it's incentive for the fans who do the right thing.
 
@smeghead said:
@Peaches said:
@smeghead said:
Which is why it needs to be eradicated now if soccer is truly going to grow as a top tier competition

Agreed. The way the FFA is going about it with point deductions is not the right way though. These people acting out aren't fans or supporters.

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I would argue it is the perfect way.

The only way to get rid of these idiots is if fans of the team are vigilant and have motivation to report this kind of crap.

I can't agree with that. Anyone can wear another teams colours and make a video of teams fans fighting and put it on YouTube and then disperse once they have the footage they want. It'll get to that point if it can change positions on the table.

And as I said these guys aren't fans. They don't care what happens to the team. They have their own persona and agenda to keep up.

It depends what they believe is deserving of a point reduction. I've had a couple of flares lit around me and I wouldn't know who did it. I'm too busy chanting and watching the field. Often they just end up underneath you before they start smoking. I've seen one guy lite one and the police got him quick. He was a drop kick all game up to that point and then lite it and just put it under his chair. He did it just in front of me to the side and everyone else's reaction compared to him was a give away.

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wasnt a pitched street battle? Seriously, two groups losing and gaining ground on a street hurling projectiles at each other, trading blows… thats a riot, by definition.

You may be able to con yourself... "no other option", you are part of the problem.

My kid will be watching from home. Guaranteed, thanks to packs of clowns. He appreciates your defence of such actions.
 
@Cultured Bogan said:
@Peaches said:
@Black'n'White said:
Im a Wanderers fan, even my 2yr old has colours.

Peaches, even if you truly believe that the Melbourne fans attacked the pub unprovoked, how is it that you can legitimize a pitched street battle as retaliation as being the correct reaction? Honestly, convince me, because the second you try to tell me that it is the correct response, you lose all credability.

I don't know why they attacked the pub down in Melbourne. There was something said about a revenge attack from when they were up here but I know nothing of that incident and I know most incidents involving fans of the club. The Melbourne Victory have had off-field trouble with pretty much every club they run into. Sydney FC, Melbourne Heart and Adelaide have had all incidents over the years. Their rogue element seems a bit larger then ours and one the club has had enough of, hence the sanctions the club has chosen to enforce this year.

And it wasn't a pitched street battle. It was a reaction to the pub/restaurant being attacked, of which there were many families inside. I've told you what's happened a few times. I've never been in anything that could be regarded as a fight but it sounds like even I would have been involved in this one. For that I'm thankful I didn't go down to the match because as I tell my mates; I won my last fight by 60 meters hahaha

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Some Victards were jumped last time they were up here playing WSW.

Probably why they did carry on the way they did.

You think what they did to the Wanderers was bad, any FC fan who travels to Melbourne in a couple of weeks to watch them play are asking for it.

Ah okay I never heard that one. I remember walking past a few who were asking where the train station was. It actually seemed pretty good after that match. Very chilled atmosphere.

And yeah FC fans will have trouble once again down there. All it takes is one stupid idiot and then there's a revenge thing. Hopefully they'll get weeded out quickly enough.

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