Western Sydney Wanderers

[Black_n_White]

No, being a man isnt in you hands, it never was or is, but how you think and reason. So yes, especially in this case, you can deduct from words on a page, a persons reasoning, their ability to rationalise a poor situation, thus a persons maturity.

 

[innsaneink]

Sorry I respectfully disagree.

All parties involved in the back and forth on the streets are wannabe ultra's, thugs and complete losers who dop not deserve the privilege of supporting a sporting team in person at any ground anywhere in this country

I respectfully disagree. I know a few of these guys who were involved well. **They are good people in a crap situation that reacted in a way they felt they had to.** I guess we'll leave it at that.

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Situations dont just 'happen'

People create them.

 

[Peaches]

No, being a man isnt in you hands, it never was or is, but how you think and reason. So yes, especially in this case, you can deduct from words on a page, a persons reasoning, their ability to rationalise a poor situation, thus a persons maturity.

So you're saying the Wanderers fans who reacted (whose professions I know of include school teachers and accountants all of whom have mortgages and young families) should have tried to reason with the mob; who was throwing flares, glass, coins, chairs, table legs and whatever else was around? When a situation like that is thrown on you, you just react. And unfortunately reasoning was not an option in this case.

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[Peaches]

Sorry I respectfully disagree.

All parties involved in the back and forth on the streets are wannabe ultra's, thugs and complete losers who dop not deserve the privilege of supporting a sporting team in person at any ground anywhere in this country

I respectfully disagree. I know a few of these guys who were involved well. **They are good people in a crap situation that reacted in a way they felt they had to.** I guess we'll leave it at that.

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Situations dont just 'happen'

People create them.

You're right. A small number of people who say they're Victory fans created a situation. They're clearly not fans of the game or the club and hopefully they'll be weeded out ASAP. Wanderers fans reacted the way only possible and you can read through the situation the were in.

Deadset some of you live in a dreamland if you think morons and thugs can be reasoned out of a situation like that.
I'm not going to respond to any further replies. Clearly some of you are trolling or just cannot comprehend the situation that went on. It was a way over the top that was out of hand with no authorities. However it is a very much an isolated incident and doesn't represent the clubs or the game involved fairly or rightfully. You can't have it both ways that the incident was over the top then expect a reasoning end to an out of the blue incident with only 1 or 2 security and no police for 15 minutes.

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[innsaneink]

Not my fault
Not our fault
Someone elses fault.
Blah fkn blah
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It takes two to tango

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Screw the political correctness crap. The percentage of decent fans in the RBB is far less than 99%

 

[Black_n_White]

No, being a man isnt in you hands, it never was or is, but how you think and reason. So yes, especially in this case, you can deduct from words on a page, a persons reasoning, their ability to rationalise a poor situation, thus a persons maturity.

So you're saying the Wanderers fans who reacted (whose professions I know of include school teachers and accountants all of whom have mortgages and young families) should have tried to reason with the mob; who was throwing flares, glass, coins, chairs, table legs and whatever else was around? When a situation like that is thrown on you, you just react. And unfortunately reasoning was not an option in this case.

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So your argument is that a persons profession says something about them as a human being?

I have personally met 2 priests, and a School principle, by your reasoning upstanding citizens of the highest regards… yet all have been proven kid fiddlers. Job means nothing. Hell Hitler held the highest position in his country, must have been a good bloke by your standards.

 

[stryker]

Peaches, I have seen videos of the way you lot carry on in public streets before a game. In a word….moronic. It is of no wonder to me that opposition fans get the poo's with this crap. To say that your mob did not contribute fathoms belief. Either you are woefully ignorant or are purposely lying to us.

You have no concern for non soccer fans who may be on the street. One could only assume how opposition fans handle it.

You blame the cops
You blame the media
You blame opposition fans

How about you have a look at the way you carry on. Your chants and marches come off as very confrontational and there is a definite message being conveyed that only you matter. I can't believe the incredulous way you describe these instances.

 

[tigermaniac]

Can't believe people bagging WSW supporters as a whole. Apart from the obvious idiots that start fights, wreck stadiums or light flares, I love the passion, nothing wrong with marches either, who gives a shit if some feel it's intimidating, it's not, its passion. Remember, do the crime, do the time, or behave and enjoy the ride and have some fun. Get real some of you guys, can't go around blaming all the supporters.

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[stryker]

Peaches is adimant that trouble starts when opposition fans attack your group. Try stepping back and understanding why this may happen. He seems to be blaming only the melbourne fans and ridiculously the coppers. Why is it that the police force, charged with providing a service to ALL society have to divert resources to a pub just because a minority of the community are having a beer there? If you have it in your mind that the cops must be present, than it stands to reason that you must to some degree, realise that your actions may start trouble….otherwise you wouldnt be so adimant that they be there.

i have lived away from soccer culture for years up here and my only exposure to it was when I lived in Liverpool for a year back in 97\. I was gobsmacked at the idiocy of a mob then and can see the same thing starting to happen now in Australia.

You call it passion and fair enough for the most part it is. I have no problem with the atmosphere that the supporters create within the venue. It looks good and sounds better. However from an outsider looking in, the garbage that goes on before the game is what is starting to look bad.When you have a mob of what looks like 100's if not 1000's blocking traffic so they can walk on the road chanting with little regard for the majority of the population that dont follow what your doing it looks like your trying to take over the area. Have a look at some of the videos on youtube. Everyone is singing and chanting but when an opposition fan is spotted, they are given a gobful by the throng.This RBB seems to revel in the fact that they 'own' the streets of whatever team they are playing in. You would have to be braindead not to see that this will ruffle feathers of those equally passionate supporters who live there, not to mention the majority of residents who dont give a crap and think your all a bit of a joke.

Any trouble that brews is 100% brought about by the fans. It isnt the players who whip you up into a frenzy pre match, it isnt the administrators who tell you to act like you're gods gift to Australian sport, it isnt the coppers fault for not stationing dozens of officers to babysit you when they have more important duties to take care of. It is the supporters fault. The buck stops with them. They may not think they are doing anything wrong, but when you are attacked you have to evaluate the situation and think of other people's likely reactions. How would you react if thousands of Melbourne supporters invaded Western Sydney, blocking traffic as they marched to the game creating a scene? I can almost gaurantee the same outcome would eventuate.

If the FFA goes ahead with the planned sanctions, I feel sorry for the clubs, the players and the sponsors, who from no fault of their own, will be penalised because their fans cant control their excitement.

Please dont cry me a river and say that the RBB members in that pub were innocent. I understand violence, have lived my whole life surrounded by it in some form or another and totally get why that happened. They werent having a quiet lunch and were set upon, they were stirring up the locals, who inevitably attacked them and without too much provacation the RBB were all too willing to get involved. It always takes 2 to tango.

BTW, it has fist all to do with people acting hard. The most violent situations always occur when pack mentality is employed. People's nuts grow considerably in these instances.Those who would never dream of doing it one on one are front and centre when they have many others at their back.These gatherings before the game are always a potential powder keg.For those people involved to say they didn't see it coming I can only say one thing. YOU ARE DUMB.

 

[stryker]

So you're saying the Wanderers fans who reacted (whose professions I know of include school teachers and accountants all of whom have mortgages and young families) should have tried to reason with the mob; who was throwing flares, glass, coins, chairs, table legs and whatever else was around? When a situation like that is thrown on you, you just react. And unfortunately reasoning was not an option in this case.

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So your argument is that a persons profession says something about them as a human being?

I have personally met 2 priests, and a School principle, by your reasoning upstanding citizens of the highest regards… yet all have been proven kid fiddlers. Job means nothing. Hell Hitler held the highest position in his country, must have been a good bloke by your standards.

Exactly Black and White, a person's profession means diddly squat as it pertains to the type of person they are. When I lived in London, game day was like a scene out of the wild west films. People would literally vacate the area until these clowns went to the game and made sure they were all home by the time they came back post game. I saw guys who were professionals during work hours, turn into savages when the supporters gear came on. What you ended up with was a human lawn mower that ran over everything in its path on the way to the stadium. The next morning you would see an army of street sweepers and cleaners mopping up the mess created before the rest of us went to work for the day.

I am not saying it is that bad here, not by a long shot….but it has the potential to be and now is the time to put contingencies in place to deal with it as soccer continues to gain a foothold in our communities. I agree with the FFA's plans, I agree with the exposure the media is giving it and I agree with the cops making notes of who is involved. If you cant be seen in public without something covering your face, you are up to no good - simple as that.

 

[TripleB]

So when a NSW fan goes into the Caxton on Origin night, would he cop a gobful from the throng and would it be OK? Or is Qld passion more acceptable than Wanderers passion?

 

[Black_n_White]

Yep, when in the UK I wore my Celtic jersey around and quickly figured out how bad an idea it was. Some 8 years later, a guy I played soccer with went on a working holiday to the UK as a nurse, wrong place wrong time wrong jersey on (Celtic even though he was in the greater London area), he ended up spending 22 weeks in hospital… Stryker, we dont always have to agree, lol...

The RBB are shaping themselves up as a "Firm", watch "Football Factory" if you dont know what Im on about.

I have zero problems with fanatical supporters, but am 100% against Australian Soccer turning to the "Firm" model of fanaticism. The day violence, say chasing each other up and down the street pelting refuse at each other becomes acceptable, then its no longer safe enough to take my boy to. What happens if the pub is full of colours, but those that are just normal supporters is attacked because an off branch of the supporter base has caused trouble at some other random time? What, I cannot take my kid to a game and have a feed after just incase?

Be human, be passionate, but dont try and sell a line of bullcrap to rationalise hooliganism. If mob mentality and weakness is allowed to flourish, someone other than the idiots who choose to involve themselves in this garbage will pay the price. Mark my words, those who condone and downplay such acts of out and out stupidity are all but as guilty as those that part-take in them.

 

[stryker]

So when a NSW fan goes into the Caxton on Origin night, would he cop a gobful from the throng and would it be OK? Or is Qld passion more acceptable than Wanderers passion?

Your comparing apples and oranges. If hundreds of New South Welshmen marched up the street at the front of the Caxton yelling and screaming and hollering you expect trouble would you not? Would that be the police's fault or would that be the supporters fault?

 

[happy_tiger]

So when a NSW fan goes into the Caxton on Origin night, would he cop a gobful from the throng and would it be OK? Or is Qld passion more acceptable than Wanderers passion?

Your comparing apples and oranges. If hundreds of New South Welshmen marched up the street at the front of the Caxton yelling and screaming and hollering you expect trouble would you not? Would that be the police's fault or would that be the supporters fault?

Yeah but Stryker what happens to NSW supporters in the toilets at Suncorp isn't acceptable

I've seen up to 4-5 blokes just laying into a single NSW supporter and my pride at being a Qlder at those times had diminished greatly

 

[stryker]

Totally agree happy that's a joke and comes back to my point on the pack mentality. If you can't stand on your own 2 feet than why would acting tough in a group seem cool?

 

[happy_tiger]

Totally agree happy that's a joke and comes back to my point on the pack mentality. If you can't stand on your own 2 feet than why would acting tough in a group seem cool?

But it also comes back to Peaches point

If you and I are in that crowd watching the game enjoying another Qld annihilation of the Blues , does that makes us as bad as WSW supporters ??

We know it happens and do nothing about it

 

[TripleB]

And shouldn't the media be jumping all over these types of incidents like they would if it were 4-5 Wanderers supporters laying into a Victory fan in the toilets?

 

[stryker]

Totally agree happy that's a joke and comes back to my point on the pack mentality. If you can't stand on your own 2 feet than why would acting tough in a group seem cool?

But it also comes back to Peaches point

If you and I are in that crowd watching the game enjoying another Qld annihilation of the Blues , does that makes us as bad as WSW supporters ??

We know it happens and do nothing about it

Speak for yourself man, if I came across 5 blokes laying into 1 I would most definitely say/do something about it.
Still not the same thing though. Peaches point was - "its everyone elses fault but ours". I and others are saying you can not claim the moral high ground when you have dozens and dozens of people squaring off in the streets during the day hurling stuff at each other.
Of course fighting is a part of football culture to a point. We all loved it when Origin scraps broke out on the field. The difference is that you will never see a large group of batchey's blues squaring off outside the stadium against a large group of QLD supporters. You just never see gang/riot styled fights happening in the streets. That stuff is germain to the soccer crowd as has been evidenced all around the world. It has started happening here and the authorities are trying to eliminate it in its infancy before it becomes the norm.
Their efforts should be applauded and they are being by most….its a pity though that soccer fans think they are being heavy handed.This victim mentality is not helping their clubs nor their sport.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I can't speak for all sokkah fans Stryker, but I support the cops in all their efforts to eliminate this crap from the sport. March, chant, sing and have fun by all means, but not at others expense and certainly not when it degenerates into violence that is not acceptable by any means.

I see pockets of FC fans behaving like absolute wankers before the game and feel embarrassed to be wearing the same colours as them. Same at the Rugby League when you see the old dinosaurs carrying on in the crowd, three sheets to the wind and being aggressive toward anyone who takes displeasure to it.

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