Western Sydney Wanderers

[Peaches]

I haven't seen much of an "attack", more like some unkind words with an element of truth behind them.

"You just have to sing and chant for 90+ minutes. That's all that is asked and expected of any active support."

Is this a sporting event or Hillsong?

(KIDDING!)

How is "You as a collective are a disgace and an embarrassment. Your not cool, most of the community, including those involved with soccer think your a bunch tossgods." anything other then an attack?

And Hillsong wishes it was as much fun. Hahaha

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[LaT]

I think I just demonstrated with the Hillsong comment that taking a sentence out of context doesn't prove much.

Its harsh words from stryker but still with an element of truth.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I am a member of the RBB and this is a true take of what occurred.

I got to the Woolpack pub at 10:45 where a few hundred fans had congregated. We weren't really singing at all as the band leaders were already in the city.

We marched to Parramatta Station where we were singing to catch the train. TV cameras and photographers everywhere. Whoever led the march took us on the wrong platform which was a little embarrassing. We sung throughout the train ride. There were a few other people from the public on there but only Wanderers fans caught the train after we get on and I think that was a fairly smart move. Hahaha. We were fairly loud.

We marched through Central and had 7 pubs around Central Station to drink at which were organised by RBB leaders. The RBB core and a few guys from the band were at the Aurora Hotel and I managed to join my mates in there. We sung loud and proud as many Wanderers fans waited on the streets to be apart of the march. I saw a few camera crews looking to get interviews and whatnot but there is a general rule amongst the fans that we don't talk in the media after a couple of incidents were very much sensationalised.

The march came and we walked up Foveaux St. We started on the footpath but it become quite clear with the few thousand people matching that the road would be a better option to move the crowd and the police started to close down the roads. I think one or flares were let off as were little bungers but other then that, the locals and those in their cars had many smiles on their faces. It was an awesome sight looking back over the march. Photographers and TV cameras everywhere.

The march continued all the way to the stadium where stadium management stuffed up big time. It seemed everyone had a ticket for gate C for some reason and people were moving very slowly. I waited outside for over an hour and just got in before kick-off. They were frisking everyone and had 3 or 4 people doing this until they realized the crowd wasn't moving. They had so many police just standing there and they could have helped frisk if they had to and move the crowd along.

Inside the stadium was a cauldron. I had awesome seats a few rows from the front just to the side of the centre of the RBB. I was impressed by the Mariners fans who turned out for the grand final. Their side deserves their support during the season, not just the big game.

**The national anthem was sung but we are at the RBB didn't know and were already singing. Once we realised we stopped and we heard the last line only. A bit of a shame there but was just how loud the stadium was.**

Then the match was played. The Mariners quite clearly outplayed the Wanderers tonight. The officiating was poor and had the rub of the green gone our way tonight, it could be a 2-1 victory for us. Nonetheless it didn't work out that way and a great season had. I think we won the battle of active support though and it was great to see so many smiling people. A few flares lit off which is never great but no one was hurt.

Those seats at Allianz are just poor quality and quite clearly no where near the strength of Parramatta Stadium. We in the RBB stand on the seats at the game unless its those ones that flip up. And these seats were cracking and breaking off under the weight of a 55 kilogram teenage girl. And there was a lot more heavier people then here there too. Hahaha. We didn't destroy the stadium. It was literally breaking underneath us.

The turning of our backs on the Mariners I thought was a bit of a bad look. They were deserved winners. We didn't have to shut-up but we could of kept chanting while facing forwards.

So all in all a good night not great because of a loss. Most Wanderers fans recognised we were outplayed but were just still so proud of the performance of the boys throughout their debut season. I can't wait for next season now.

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Sorry but what a crock. So one at all noticed the two sides enter the stadium then line up with the girl in the middle. No one noticed that? yeah right

 

[GNR4LIFE]

You have to laugh.

If it were for instance Bulldogs fans who had acted in this way it would be a League In Crisis multi page spread in that News Ltd rag the Telegraph.

It shouls serve as somewhat of a warning to the A League fans and powers that be how News Ltd work. Right now they are a solely Pay TV entity and the media branches are busy pumping the tyres and heaping praise on their old stooge David Gallop.

Just wait until the new TV rights deal comes around. Watch how they trash the game with a back catalogue on minor incidents to make the codes name mud and attempt to drive the price down. Just be thankful they do not have an ownership stake in your game.

If reports are true about that section chanting and singing during the National Anthem then they are a disgrace, pure and simple

We didn't know the national anthem was being sung. And when we did we stopped. We couldn't hear anything in that stadium apart from ourselves and the referee's whistle.

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Sorry but what a crock. So one at all noticed the two sides enter the stadium then line up with the girl in the middle standing at the mic. No one noticed that? yeah right

 

[stryker]

Yeah it was an attack. An attack based on 2 things

1\. I have seen with my own eyes in Europe, England especially the end result of where your group is heading. It doesn't matter who the groups membership is comprised of. When members have their war paint on they cease to act as they normally would. As stated a few pages back, I saw guys who were respected in the community turn into animals on game day. I'm not saying they were abusive or raucous I'm saying they were violent. They didn't act individually, they acted within 1 twisted organism that was nothing but a mob. When I saw you guys at the ground mimicking a few 'leaders, with thousands acting as one it took me straight back to those bad days. Mobs all around the globe have one thing in common…they are very easily led and can turn in an instant. I'm not saying you guys are there now but it seems obvious that these leaders admire the overseas firms and are trying to replicate. When this outcome is achieved, it will be bad for your sport and even worse for western Sydney...especially those who do not embrace soccer.

2\. I am a very proud Australian and have fought for it. I love our flag and anthem. I have also been to many huge sporting events where the noise was immence. The bledisloe game years back where there was 111000 people in attendence being
on e of them. The buzz that night would have far exceeded what you had yesterday yet everyone respected and sung the anthems. You claim your group (again speaking for all of them), couldn't hear it yet you could hear the refs whistle during the match. I call BS on that. I call a severe lack of respect was shown by a large section of the crowd who thought the whole event was all about them. As backed up by you saying the cops had to block off streets so your mob could 'March to the stadium.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

It will no doubt get better but to blame stadium seating when it states as a condition of entry that you are not to do it it comes off as just arrogant.

FTR on average 10 seats are replaced each game at Parra Stadium (source: The Stadium Trust)

Well when you purchase a ticket in the RBB it says on the ticket it's a restricted view as fans will stand on their seats and flags will be waved.
And those seats were ridiculously poor. I don't know how The Cove don't have this issue. Maybe their crowds just aren't as active?
And being 100% honest I can't remember seeing too many break at Parramatta Stadium. I have a loud crack around me once or twice which suggests that this has happened but I can honestly say I've never seen them broken like yesterday. I can't disagree with facts though.

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I have been in the Cove countless times and have never had issues with whole rows of seating breaking underneath anyone. The pictures I saw last night, seats were both kicked forward and ripped backward off the steel. There were shoe prints all over on the backs of the chairs. It looked like vandalism to me.

Not saying that you or all the Wanderers fan base are louts Allan, but there are core group of idiots who only seem to want to rip flares, vandalise property and go the knuckle at the first opportunity. Australian football supporters should try and forge their own identity with active support and their passion for the game rather than imitating the European ultras.

 

[Peaches]

I am a member of the RBB and this is a true take of what occurred.

I got to the Woolpack pub at 10:45 where a few hundred fans had congregated. We weren't really singing at all as the band leaders were already in the city.

We marched to Parramatta Station where we were singing to catch the train. TV cameras and photographers everywhere. Whoever led the march took us on the wrong platform which was a little embarrassing. We sung throughout the train ride. There were a few other people from the public on there but only Wanderers fans caught the train after we get on and I think that was a fairly smart move. Hahaha. We were fairly loud.

We marched through Central and had 7 pubs around Central Station to drink at which were organised by RBB leaders. The RBB core and a few guys from the band were at the Aurora Hotel and I managed to join my mates in there. We sung loud and proud as many Wanderers fans waited on the streets to be apart of the march. I saw a few camera crews looking to get interviews and whatnot but there is a general rule amongst the fans that we don't talk in the media after a couple of incidents were very much sensationalised.

The march came and we walked up Foveaux St. We started on the footpath but it become quite clear with the few thousand people matching that the road would be a better option to move the crowd and the police started to close down the roads. I think one or flares were let off as were little bungers but other then that, the locals and those in their cars had many smiles on their faces. It was an awesome sight looking back over the march. Photographers and TV cameras everywhere.

The march continued all the way to the stadium where stadium management stuffed up big time. It seemed everyone had a ticket for gate C for some reason and people were moving very slowly. I waited outside for over an hour and just got in before kick-off. They were frisking everyone and had 3 or 4 people doing this until they realized the crowd wasn't moving. They had so many police just standing there and they could have helped frisk if they had to and move the crowd along.

Inside the stadium was a cauldron. I had awesome seats a few rows from the front just to the side of the centre of the RBB. I was impressed by the Mariners fans who turned out for the grand final. Their side deserves their support during the season, not just the big game.

**The national anthem was sung but we are at the RBB didn't know and were already singing. Once we realised we stopped and we heard the last line only. A bit of a shame there but was just how loud the stadium was.**

Then the match was played. The Mariners quite clearly outplayed the Wanderers tonight. The officiating was poor and had the rub of the green gone our way tonight, it could be a 2-1 victory for us. Nonetheless it didn't work out that way and a great season had. I think we won the battle of active support though and it was great to see so many smiling people. A few flares lit off which is never great but no one was hurt.

Those seats at Allianz are just poor quality and quite clearly no where near the strength of Parramatta Stadium. We in the RBB stand on the seats at the game unless its those ones that flip up. And these seats were cracking and breaking off under the weight of a 55 kilogram teenage girl. And there was a lot more heavier people then here there too. Hahaha. We didn't destroy the stadium. It was literally breaking underneath us.

The turning of our backs on the Mariners I thought was a bit of a bad look. They were deserved winners. We didn't have to shut-up but we could of kept chanting while facing forwards.

So all in all a good night not great because of a loss. Most Wanderers fans recognised we were outplayed but were just still so proud of the performance of the boys throughout their debut season. I can't wait for next season now.

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Sorry but what a crock. So one at all noticed the two sides enter the stadium then line up with the girl in the middle. No one noticed that? yeah right

They walk out and line-up like that at every match. After a few moments it was obvious that they were there a bit longer then usual but in saying that there was a chant that involved standing up and sitting down so our attention was not solely on the field. We then noticed it was the anthem and by the time everyone shut-up, I only heard the last line or two.
It was a regrettable incident but unless you were there you won't understand how loud it was.

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[Peaches]

Yeah it was an attack. An attack based on 2 things

1\. I have seen with my own eyes in Europe, England especially the end result of where your group is heading. It doesn't matter who the groups membership is comprised of. When members have their war paint on they cease to act as they normally would. As stated a few pages back, I saw guys who were respected in the community turn into animals on game day. I'm not saying they were abusive or raucous I'm saying they were violent. They didn't act individually, they acted within 1 twisted organism that was nothing but a mob. When I saw you guys at the ground mimicking a few 'leaders, with thousands acting as one it took me straight back to those bad days. Mobs all around the globe have one thing in common…they are very easily led and can turn in an instant. I'm not saying you guys are there now but it seems obvious that these leaders admire the overseas firms and are trying to replicate. When this outcome is achieved, it will be bad for your sport and even worse for western Sydney...especially those who do not embrace soccer.

2\. I am a very proud Australian and have fought for it. I love our flag and anthem. I have also been to many huge sporting events where the noise was immence. The bledisloe game years back where there was 111000 people in attendence being
on e of them. The buzz that night would have far exceeded what you had yesterday yet everyone respected and sung the anthems. You claim your group (again speaking for all of them), couldn't hear it yet you could hear the refs whistle during the match. I call BS on that. I call a severe lack of respect was shown by a large section of the crowd who thought the whole event was all about them. As backed up by you saying the cops had to block off streets so your mob could 'March to the stadium.

The RBB grew in numbers ridiculously quick this season. The blokes who organise it will be much better off next season with a lot of hard work that goes into it liasioning with police and hotel managers. I like many others don't want it to get to that point and I'm very sure it won't. The majority of the fans are awesome blokes who don't turn into violent fools like you believe they do. Come in and experience it for yourself before you start throwing barbs like this around.

I am once again speaking on behalf of this group because no one else on this forum was there. If there was just one other fan on here I would be sure they would agree.

Get onto the Wanderers forum and read it for yourself how no one knew the anthem was being sung. And I didn't hear the whistle at all times, but I heard it for the most part. The anthem could not be heard until everyone in the RBB shut-up.

There are numerous articles by journalists out there about the march. Mr Phil Rothfield has himself been in the RBB and he has an article out today. Read that. Or see the video of Andrew and Ed (residents in Surry Hills) on the daily telegraph website. They loved it and so did many of the other general public. Smiles everywhere.

And of course the streets had to be shut. A few thousand people walking on the footpaths is a slow crowd moving which is when trouble arises like the incident at Parramatta where a glass was thrown on the table. It was the actions of a fool after the police did not allow the RBB to walk on the road and the crowd stopped and bottlenecked.

Get over yourself and your preconceived ideas that we're all a bunch of disrespectful hooligans.

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[Peaches]

It will no doubt get better but to blame stadium seating when it states as a condition of entry that you are not to do it it comes off as just arrogant.

FTR on average 10 seats are replaced each game at Parra Stadium (source: The Stadium Trust)

Well when you purchase a ticket in the RBB it says on the ticket it's a restricted view as fans will stand on their seats and flags will be waved.
And those seats were ridiculously poor. I don't know how The Cove don't have this issue. Maybe their crowds just aren't as active?
And being 100% honest I can't remember seeing too many break at Parramatta Stadium. I have a loud crack around me once or twice which suggests that this has happened but I can honestly say I've never seen them broken like yesterday. I can't disagree with facts though.

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I have been in the Cove countless times and have never had issues with whole rows of seating breaking underneath anyone. The pictures I saw last night, seats were both kicked forward and ripped backward off the steel. There were shoe prints all over on the backs of the chairs. It looked like vandalism to me.

Not saying that you or all the Wanderers fan base are louts Allan, but there are core group of idiots who only seem to want to rip flares, vandalise property and go the knuckle at the first opportunity. Australian football supporters should try and forge their own identity with active support and their passion for the game rather than imitating the European ultras.

I can only speak for what I saw and that was that the seats were breaking underneath people you would definately not expect them too.

Don't get me wrong, there were fools there last night. Here's hoping these fools find something else to do with their spare time.

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[Muffstar]

I am all for passionate supporters, but please let's hope that soccer supporters in Australia don't mimic the bad elements that prevail in Europe and tarnish the game here.

IMO soccer now in Australia is heading in the right direction, certainly at club level, but I fear it will only be a matter of time before someone gets hurt either with flare throwing of some other act of stupidity.

 

[Peaches]

I am all for passionate supporters, but please let's hope that soccer supporters in Australia don't mimic the bad elements that prevail in Europe and tarnish the game here.

IMO soccer now in Australia is heading in the right direction, certainly at club level, but I fear it will only be a matter of time before someone gets hurt either with flare throwing of some other act of stupidity.

No one wants it to head down those roads. I for one want the best aspects of it with the stupid and ugly side out of it.

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[stryker]

Haha you talk about the so called RBB like your some gods gift to Australian sport. Thinking its your right to have the streets closed so you can all march as a MOB to a game of football…
Sure your chanting and mimicry of 'capo's' as you call them is just a bit of dorky fun. If it remains that way then no harm no foul. However it is plainly obvious that many see what your doing as far more important than that. That is where your little group will get itself into trouble.
I didn't say you were a bunch of hooligans yet. Disrespectful? Most definitely. Hooliganism will come with time. Have you any idea how many gang members are apart of your group? What about anti social trouble makers? This is where these people hide.....right in plain sight.

 

[Peaches]

Haha you talk about the so called RBB like your some gods gift to Australian sport. Thinking its your right to have the streets closed so you can all march as a MOB to a game of football…
Sure your chanting and mimicry of 'capo's' as you call them is just a bit of dorky fun. If it remains that way then no harm no foul. However it is plainly obvious that many see what your doing as far more important than that. That is where your little group will get itself into trouble.
I didn't say you were a bunch of hooligans yet. Disrespectful? Most definitely. Hooliganism will come with time. Have you any idea how many gang members are apart of your group? What about anti social trouble makers? This is where these people hide.....right in plain sight.

Any group can ask for a march. For safety the last few weeks the people organising the march have asked to do it on the road, and we kept on getting knocked back until the incident at Parramatta. We as Tigers fans can do a march if we wish to. Just have to fill in the right forms and get permission of the council and the people who do this for the RBB, get it done liasioning with police and hotel managers each week. There are further supporters who wear fluro vests and help marshall the crowd. Do you think we would keep on getting permission if we weren't a good bunch? They have every right to say no but they understand that we would like to march together to the stadium and help us out.

I have no idea who is a gang member and who isn't. I didn't know only gang members can be antisocial. I personally have never felt threatened in anyway at an A-League game but have at a NRL game and at the cricket.

I have no idea if gang members are involved. If there is, they don't go around introducing themselves as just that funnily enough. And if there are gang members amongst the group, as long as they're not antisocial wearing Wanderers colours on game day, they can also go and support their football side. Who am I to tell anyone not to support their football side.

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[GNR4LIFE]

I want to know what the attraction is for these thugs bringing flares is? Also where are they hiding them as they enter the stadium cos surely the officials aren't dumb enough to not search people thoroughly at the gate

 

[system]

To avoid security is easy. Go in as one massive block of people, this will choke up the entrace way and as such security gets rushed.

 

[Peaches]

I want to know what the attraction is for these thugs bringing flares is? Also where are they hiding them as they enter the stadium cos surely the officials aren't dumb enough to not search people thoroughly at the gate

I don't know what the attraction is but I can tell you that on my Facebook there are many league fans who used to talk down soccer all the time who now have pictures of them in Wanderers jerseys with flare smoke around them. Maybe I'm 24 going on 40 because it sure seems I'm one of the few who isn't a fan of them.

And I have no idea where they are hiding them but they'll probably get them unless we got a full body scan/x-ray.

They were patting the crowd down until it become so evidently clear it was taking far too long and thousands would have been left out by kick-off time despite arriving at the ground an hour early. The line moved 100m in one hour. It was just ridiculous.

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[Aladinsane]

I was there on Sunday …..I was a guest of a SFS member who I played golf with yesterday morning and he said he had a couple of spare tickets ...so I went to experienced it

Well up in the middle of the ground , where the fans rattle their jewellery instead of clapping ...it was quite bizzare ....I haven't witnessed that type of atmosphere at the SFS since the 2005 semi against the Dragons....but yesterday was heaps louder & was continuous for 2 hours , even when the Wanderers were down 2 Nil

I like my soccer , but by no means fanatical, but i have to admit the Red & Black Bloc put on a fantastic show of fan support . Yes , there were some Things that they shouldn't have done ...Let off Flares ( even though personally I thought the coloured smoke look great ...lighting & throwing one on the ground is obviously way too dangerous. at any time....maybe the SFS staff could do controlled lighting on both steam sides to create the atmosphere tat the fans want to achieve & deter people from bringing them in & lighting them dangerously.

I believe the Bloc didn't mean to sing throughout the anthem , As They started singing before and probably couldn't hear it had began...when they finally realized they stopped
But with such a massive group there is unfortunately some idiots who wreck the great work of so many great fans ...throwing beer on the opposition etc & I hope the leaders of the Bloc try and get rid of this type of behavior that spoils the look of otherwise the best fan cheering & supporting of a team I have ever seen on Australan soil .....I for one will be going to a Parramatta Stadium home ground to witness the passion again . At the Fox Studios I only witness fun between the Wanderers & Mariners fans , saw many taking photos together ...very colorful with the red & yellow jerseys & plenty of playful banter ...it was great to see.
Overall it was a fantastic afternoon & one I will long remember

If the Wests Tigers fans can take all the good elements of the RBB cheering & chanting avocets of their supports ,we as a fanbase would get our Wests Tigers team across the line on a lot of the close ones.

Yes yesterday , I became a Wanderers fan .....but like Balmain & the Wests Tigers & Apia Leichhardt ...they will be my team through the ups & downs

 

[stryker]

Your missing the point here Allan. To you your supporters group are all innocent soccer fans who hoot and holler and sing and chant in support of you team. Maybe because you are young you don't see the risks associated with a large group displaying mob mentality with a militant structure. This is a perfect organisation for the antisocial to join so they can run amok with relative anonnimity due to the power of numbers. This is already starting to manifest with people chucking flares, causing damage and covering their faces. This in your first year. It will get worse no doubt as the popularity of your club increases. You have stated that you think your numbers will swell next year. I hope for your sake when it does the new members are soccer fans and not from the group I am suggesting they come from.

 

[tig_prmz]

saw a couple of my friends post photos on fb saying how weak the seats were (whereas in the photo, he was kicking the seat).. a photo of a chair completely filled with wanderes stickers.. actually every chair had wanderers stickers on themm… it is gonna be one helluva clean up for the stadium

the idiots who do these sorts of things take advantage of the fact that they are in a group... they are not drunk, just stupid.

not sure about not being able to hear the anthem or not, but as alan said in an earlier post... they don't really go to watch the game.. just chant and yell abuse at the ref

 

[Blackpearl]

I was there on Sunday …..I was a guest of a SFS member who I played golf with yesterday morning and he said he had a couple of spare tickets ...so I went to experienced it

Well up in the middle of the ground , where the fans rattle their jewellery instead of clapping ...it was quite bizzare ....I haven't witnessed that type of atmosphere at the SFS since the 2005 semi against the Dragons....but yesterday was heaps louder & was continuous for 2 hours , even when the Wanderers were down 2 Nil

I like my soccer , but by no means fanatical, but i have to admit the Red & Black Bloc put on a fantastic show of fan support . Yes , there were some Things that they shouldn't have done ...Let off Flares ( even though personally I thought the coloured smoke look great ...lighting & throwing one on the ground is obviously way too dangerous. at any time....maybe the SFS staff could do controlled lighting on both steam sides to create the atmosphere tat the fans want to achieve & deter people from bringing them in & lighting them dangerously.

I believe the Bloc didn't mean to sing throughout the anthem , As They started singing before and probably couldn't hear it had began...when they finally realized they stopped
But with such a massive group there is unfortunately some idiots who wreck the great work of so many great fans ...throwing beer on the opposition etc & I hope the leaders of the Bloc try and get rid of this type of behavior that spoils the look of otherwise the best fan cheering & supporting of a team I have ever seen on Australan soil .....I for one will be going to a Parramatta Stadium home ground to witness the passion again . At the Fox Studios I only witness fun between the Wanderers & Mariners fans , saw many taking photos together ...very colorful with the red & yellow jerseys & plenty of playful banter ...it was great to see.
Overall it was a fantastic afternoon & one I will long remember

If the Wests Tigers fans can take all the good elements of the RBB cheering & chanting avocets of their supports ,we as a fanbase would get our Wests Tigers team across the line on a lot of the close ones.

Yes yesterday , I became a Wanderers fan .....but like Balmain & the Wests Tigers & Apia Leichhardt ...they will be my team through the ups & downs

well put down mate .. the sleeping giant of oz sport, the wanderers, has arisen. more power to them and their supporters.