Wests Tigers - Who are we..

[Telltails]

Amazing how there r things are fluff to teams that win more often yhan not

Is this really true ? Like I said I've worked in an environment where all that stuff exists and I've seen it do a lot of harm. You need good processes and you need good people.

I don't believe mission statements or anything like that turn around an organization. I bet most teams follow the same approach. The team that wins has the best players and some luck go their way.

Agree Earl. We tried the big mission statement to try and motivate and improve collaboration. Made no difference to Individual performance- there are those that put in and there are those that put there hand out every week and do the bare minimum.

 

[happy_tiger]

Amazing how there r things are fluff to teams that win more often yhan not

Is this really true ? Like I said I've worked in an environment where all that stuff exists and I've seen it do a lot of harm. You need good processes and you need good people.

I don't believe mission statements or anything like that turn around an organization. I bet most teams follow the same approach. The team that wins has the best players and some luck go their way.

Think uou misunderstood

Winning teams dont need 3 word feel good statements

Agreed. They probably all have it though. It's just the way you are supposed to do things. Probably makes no difference at all.

When you are lining up a q kick for 8 point lead ...is the licker thinling about the tams ethos

 

[mikey]

Mission statements are hollow words issued by people who have no idea apart from a belief that an ideology will fix everything.
I'm not a communist and I'm not having a shot at religious people but do like Marx's words - 'Religion is the opiate of the masses' - mission statements are the same. Hollow, meaningless words.
A better fix is to a put together a team with a goal and the will to work together to achieve it.

Tell that to the military and law enforcement agencies around the world. We use Mission Statements all the time, and we take them seriously.

You're welcome to your point of view. My experience is the opposite.

Well I'm speaking from experience Mikey, as you are. Obviously we work in different industries with different mindsets. In my profession we do what we say and leadership is paramount to achieving any Mission Statement or Tasking.

I do agree leadership is vital but it needs to be good, rational leadership not mindless slogans and that is my point. I have met very few people who buy into Mission Statements because they don't believe in them but clearly that is not your experience - and I respect that.

 

[cochise]

Mission statements are hollow words issued by people who have no idea apart from a belief that an ideology will fix everything.
I'm not a communist and I'm not having a shot at religious people but do like Marx's words - 'Religion is the opiate of the masses' - mission statements are the same. Hollow, meaningless words.
A better fix is to a put together a team with a goal and the will to work together to achieve it.

Tell that to the military and law enforcement agencies around the world. We use Mission Statements all the time, and we take them seriously.

You're welcome to your point of view. My experience is the opposite.

Well I'm speaking from experience Mikey, as you are. Obviously we work in different industries with different mindsets. In my profession we do what we say and leadership is paramount to achieving any Mission Statement or Tasking.

I do agree leadership is vital but it needs to be good, rational leadership not mindless slogans and that is my point. I have met very few people who buy into Mission Statements because they don't believe in them but clearly that is not your experience - and I respect that.

Usually when there is a lack of buy in it is due to the statement not truly reflecting the organisation and not being followed through with by leadership.

 

[avocadoontoast]

***“Every year we strive and have the single and only aim of winning a competition, and if we don’t do that, it’s been a fail in regards to what our objectives are at the start of the year,” he said.***

Let's cut to the chase.

The current CEO has made absolutely no progress towards this goal in five years.

Forget winning a premiership, during his time we haven't even finished in the top half of the ladder.

The fans are dished up a lot of excuses and self-serving PR about balancing the books and growing membership.

All this says is that we have a CEO who is good on the commercial side but can't build a footy club that can sustain a competitive roster every season through recruitment and development.

In the words of an experienced NRL administrator "winning is good for business".

The board need to bring in someone independent that knows how to run a footy club to do a full assessment on how we can improve.

As it stands, the lack of recruitment or development for 2021 should be ringing alarm bells for anyone who really cares about our club.

I’ve often believed that CFO is a much better position for Justin Pascoe. He can be the string puller as his obviously got the technical nouns but as the face of the club I believe we’d be better served with a less Business type.

I think you'll find Pascoe is a sales and marketing guy, not a finance guy... He has never worked in finance centric role and has no financial qualifications (eg CA or CPA) to the best of my knowledge.

Well that makes him even more brilliant Avo.

Lol brilliant he is not.

 

[Sart0ri]

When you are lining up a q kick for 8 point lead …is the licker thinling about the tams ethos

The forum should chip in to buy @happy_tiger a full sized keyboard to plug into his new phone.

 

[diedpretty]

When you are lining up a q kick for 8 point lead …is the licker thinling about the tams ethos

The forum should chip in to buy @happy_tiger a full sized keyboard to plug into his new phone.

He is from Gladstone - English is a second language there.

 

[hobbo1]

***“Every year we strive and have the single and only aim of winning a competition, and if we don’t do that, it’s been a fail in regards to what our objectives are at the start of the year,” he said.***

Let's cut to the chase.

The current CEO has made absolutely no progress towards this goal in five years.

Forget winning a premiership, during his time we haven't even finished in the top half of the ladder.

The fans are dished up a lot of excuses and self-serving PR about balancing the books and growing membership.

All this says is that we have a CEO who is good on the commercial side but can't build a footy club that can sustain a competitive roster every season through recruitment and development.

In the words of an experienced NRL administrator "winning is good for business".

The board need to bring in someone independent that knows how to run a footy club to do a full assessment on how we can improve.

As it stands, the lack of recruitment or development for 2021 should be ringing alarm bells for anyone who really cares about our club.

I’ve often believed that CFO is a much better position for Justin Pascoe. He can be the string puller as his obviously got the technical nouns but as the face of the club I believe we’d be better served with a less Business type.

I think you'll find Pascoe is a sales and marketing guy, not a finance guy... He has never worked in finance centric role and has no financial qualifications (eg CA or CPA) to the best of my knowledge.

Well that makes him even more brilliant Avo.

Lol brilliant he is not.

I reckon he’s in-charge of merchandise

Still waiting on a youth jersey from 2016

 

[Guest]

Mission statements are hollow words issued by people who have no idea apart from a belief that an ideology will fix everything.
I'm not a communist and I'm not having a shot at religious people but do like Marx's words - 'Religion is the opiate of the masses' - mission statements are the same. Hollow, meaningless words.
A better fix is to a put together a team with a goal and the will to work together to achieve it.

Tell that to the military and law enforcement agencies around the world. We use Mission Statements all the time, and we take them seriously.

You're welcome to your point of view. My experience is the opposite.

Well I'm speaking from experience Mikey, as you are. Obviously we work in different industries with different mindsets. In my profession we do what we say and leadership is paramount to achieving any Mission Statement or Tasking.

I do agree leadership is vital but it needs to be good, rational leadership not mindless slogans and that is my point. I have met very few people who buy into Mission Statements because they don't believe in them but clearly that is not your experience - and I respect that.

Usually when there is a lack of buy in it is due to the statement not truly reflecting the organisation and not being followed through with by leadership.

Consultation and transparency go a long way when writing and acting out on such things. The troops/players are the guys getting the tough stuff done, they need to know that they are being listened to and supported by management - so buy in starts with the boots on the ground - let them determine what they need to get the job done, go around the room/through the organisation and make sure everyone understands what the intent is, agree upon it, then get it done. Not hard but the right approach goes a long way based on my experiences.

 

[happy_tiger]

When you are lining up a q kick for 8 point lead …is the licker thinling about the tams ethos

The forum should chip in to buy @happy_tiger a full sized keyboard to plug into his new phone.

Or surgery for thesr sausage fingers

 

[cochise]

Mission statements are hollow words issued by people who have no idea apart from a belief that an ideology will fix everything.
I'm not a communist and I'm not having a shot at religious people but do like Marx's words - 'Religion is the opiate of the masses' - mission statements are the same. Hollow, meaningless words.
A better fix is to a put together a team with a goal and the will to work together to achieve it.

Tell that to the military and law enforcement agencies around the world. We use Mission Statements all the time, and we take them seriously.

You're welcome to your point of view. My experience is the opposite.

Well I'm speaking from experience Mikey, as you are. Obviously we work in different industries with different mindsets. In my profession we do what we say and leadership is paramount to achieving any Mission Statement or Tasking.

I do agree leadership is vital but it needs to be good, rational leadership not mindless slogans and that is my point. I have met very few people who buy into Mission Statements because they don't believe in them but clearly that is not your experience - and I respect that.

Usually when there is a lack of buy in it is due to the statement not truly reflecting the organisation and not being followed through with by leadership.

Consultation and transparency go a long way when writing and acting out on such things. The troops/players are the guys getting the tough stuff done, they need to know that they are being listened to and supported by management - so buy in starts with the boots on the ground - let them determine what they need to get the job done, go around the room/through the organisation and make sure everyone understands what the intent is, agree upon it, then get it done. Not hard but the right approach goes a long way based on my experiences.

Exactly mate, when that is not done you end up with a corporate statememnt that doesn't truly reflect the organisation.

 

[Geo]

When you are lining up a q kick for 8 point lead …is the licker thinling about the tams ethos

The forum should chip in to buy @happy_tiger a full sized keyboard to plug into his new phone.


He is from Gladstone - English is a second language there.

Don't worry hobbo and myself will be taking inductees though understanding toad 101 in the off season..

Some good replies so far ..

Shows to me not even us fans know what Wests Tigers stand for or should be..

 

[Fletch]

10-15 years ago the Tigers were a popular team beyond its own supporter base. They played an attractive brand of football juxtaposed with tenacity. Tensions brewed under the surface as the Tigers competed and scrapped for every inch, this would eventually boil over and fights would erupt because of a Bryce Gibbs cheap shot. I clearly remember plenty of non Tiger supporters commenting on how they enjoyed watching the Tigers, they were thrilling entertainment because of the way they played.

A number of things happened around 2012/13 which I still don’t fully understand. Players were pushed out with many going to the Sharks. Sheens was sacked a year into a lengthy extension. Benji went off the rails, Braith arrived etc, etc. The repercussions of that time are dissipating but still reverberating.

List management is critical, not only does it involve wise recruitment and retention but it also requires carefully considered succession plans that bridge each generation and also respectfully transitions players through that and celebrates their legacy. Look at the Broncos, they threw out succession planning, as a result collected the wooden spoon and could suffer the consequences for years to come.

Who are we... we should have all been James Tedesco. We should have been celebrating his achievements as a Tiger. Off our seats riding him towards the try line. Writing about him on the forum. Our kids should be wearing Tigers jerseys with the number 1 on the back. Instead he’s delivered two premierships to Uncle Nick and the Roosters. We should have graduated from the Benji era to the Teddy era. Instead we went from the Benji to Teddy then back to the Benji again. The club fluffed it...!!

As a minimum every club should be having a serious tilt at the title each decade, unfortunately for us we’re heading into a tenth season without even a finals appearance.

The board sets the vision and agendas, develops the strategic direction, oversees the administration appointments and governance. We had a fractured board and then it lacked rugby league IQ with the NRL appointments, these were major contributions to our overall dysfunction and lack of success.

Maybe with the last bastions of that period departing the club, a new team culture and personality can emerge. Each generation needs to evolve their own personality and style and it’s up the board, administration and coaching staff to create the stable environment and fertile ground for those future teams to develop and prosper. A competent board and administration will reflect a healthy club, and it’s much more than one player, but you can’t win a premiership without them, so when that next Benji or Teddy enters our orbit we need to have our house in order and ready to embrace them, not allowing them to walk away, and they’ll be the cherry on the top of a well constructed and developed team that can deliver success and have another crack at the title.

 

[happy_tiger]

Mission statements are hollow words issued by people who have no idea apart from a belief that an ideology will fix everything.
I'm not a communist and I'm not having a shot at religious people but do like Marx's words - 'Religion is the opiate of the masses' - mission statements are the same. Hollow, meaningless words.
A better fix is to a put together a team with a goal and the will to work together to achieve it.

Tell that to the military and law enforcement agencies around the world. We use Mission Statements all the time, and we take them seriously.

You're welcome to your point of view. My experience is the opposite.

Well I'm speaking from experience Mikey, as you are. Obviously we work in different industries with different mindsets. In my profession we do what we say and leadership is paramount to achieving any Mission Statement or Tasking.

I do agree leadership is vital but it needs to be good, rational leadership not mindless slogans and that is my point. I have met very few people who buy into Mission Statements because they don't believe in them but clearly that is not your experience - and I respect that.

Usually when there is a lack of buy in it is due to the statement not truly reflecting the organisation and not being followed through with by leadership.

Consultation and transparency go a long way when writing and acting out on such things. The troops/players are the guys getting the tough stuff done, they need to know that they are being listened to and supported by management - so buy in starts with the boots on the ground - let them determine what they need to get the job done, go around the room/through the organisation and make sure everyone understands what the intent is, agree upon it, then get it done. Not hard but the right approach goes a long way based on my experiences.

Exactly mate, when that is not done you end up with a corporate statememnt that doesn't truly reflect the organisation.

Mission statements are hollow words issued by people who have no idea apart from a belief that an ideology will fix everything.
I'm not a communist and I'm not having a shot at religious people but do like Marx's words - 'Religion is the opiate of the masses' - mission statements are the same. Hollow, meaningless words.
A better fix is to a put together a team with a goal and the will to work together to achieve it.

Tell that to the military and law enforcement agencies around the world. We use Mission Statements all the time, and we take them seriously.

You're welcome to your point of view. My experience is the opposite.

Well I'm speaking from experience Mikey, as you are. Obviously we work in different industries with different mindsets. In my profession we do what we say and leadership is paramount to achieving any Mission Statement or Tasking.

I do agree leadership is vital but it needs to be good, rational leadership not mindless slogans and that is my point. I have met very few people who buy into Mission Statements because they don't believe in them but clearly that is not your experience - and I respect that.

Usually when there is a lack of buy in it is due to the statement not truly reflecting the organisation and not being followed through with by leadership.

Consultation and transparency go a long way when writing and acting out on such things. The troops/players are the guys getting the tough stuff done, they need to know that they are being listened to and supported by management - so buy in starts with the boots on the ground - let them determine what they need to get the job done, go around the room/through the organisation and make sure everyone understands what the intent is, agree upon it, then get it done. Not hard but the right approach goes a long way based on my experiences.

Exactly mate, when that is not done you end up with a corporate statememnt that doesn't truly reflect the organisation.

In the end they are only words if no one buys in

 

[cochise]

Mission statements are hollow words issued by people who have no idea apart from a belief that an ideology will fix everything.
I'm not a communist and I'm not having a shot at religious people but do like Marx's words - 'Religion is the opiate of the masses' - mission statements are the same. Hollow, meaningless words.
A better fix is to a put together a team with a goal and the will to work together to achieve it.

Tell that to the military and law enforcement agencies around the world. We use Mission Statements all the time, and we take them seriously.

You're welcome to your point of view. My experience is the opposite.

Well I'm speaking from experience Mikey, as you are. Obviously we work in different industries with different mindsets. In my profession we do what we say and leadership is paramount to achieving any Mission Statement or Tasking.

I do agree leadership is vital but it needs to be good, rational leadership not mindless slogans and that is my point. I have met very few people who buy into Mission Statements because they don't believe in them but clearly that is not your experience - and I respect that.

Usually when there is a lack of buy in it is due to the statement not truly reflecting the organisation and not being followed through with by leadership.

Consultation and transparency go a long way when writing and acting out on such things. The troops/players are the guys getting the tough stuff done, they need to know that they are being listened to and supported by management - so buy in starts with the boots on the ground - let them determine what they need to get the job done, go around the room/through the organisation and make sure everyone understands what the intent is, agree upon it, then get it done. Not hard but the right approach goes a long way based on my experiences.

Exactly mate, when that is not done you end up with a corporate statememnt that doesn't truly reflect the organisation.

Mission statements are hollow words issued by people who have no idea apart from a belief that an ideology will fix everything.
I'm not a communist and I'm not having a shot at religious people but do like Marx's words - 'Religion is the opiate of the masses' - mission statements are the same. Hollow, meaningless words.
A better fix is to a put together a team with a goal and the will to work together to achieve it.

Tell that to the military and law enforcement agencies around the world. We use Mission Statements all the time, and we take them seriously.

You're welcome to your point of view. My experience is the opposite.

Well I'm speaking from experience Mikey, as you are. Obviously we work in different industries with different mindsets. In my profession we do what we say and leadership is paramount to achieving any Mission Statement or Tasking.

I do agree leadership is vital but it needs to be good, rational leadership not mindless slogans and that is my point. I have met very few people who buy into Mission Statements because they don't believe in them but clearly that is not your experience - and I respect that.

Usually when there is a lack of buy in it is due to the statement not truly reflecting the organisation and not being followed through with by leadership.

Consultation and transparency go a long way when writing and acting out on such things. The troops/players are the guys getting the tough stuff done, they need to know that they are being listened to and supported by management - so buy in starts with the boots on the ground - let them determine what they need to get the job done, go around the room/through the organisation and make sure everyone understands what the intent is, agree upon it, then get it done. Not hard but the right approach goes a long way based on my experiences.

Exactly mate, when that is not done you end up with a corporate statememnt that doesn't truly reflect the organisation.

In the end they are only words if no one buys in

Correct

 

[happy_tiger]

When you are lining up a q kick for 8 point lead …is the licker thinling about the tams ethos

The forum should chip in to buy @happy_tiger a full sized keyboard to plug into his new phone.


He is from Gladstone - English is a second language there.

Don't worry hobbo and myself will be taking inductees though understanding toad 101 in the off season..

Some good replies so far ..

Shows to me not even us fans know what Wests Tigers stand for or should be..

Complete and utter lack of accountability in my opinion ...heaps of finger pointing

 

[StarswithStripes]

Mission statements are hollow words issued by people who have no idea apart from a belief that an ideology will fix everything.
I'm not a communist and I'm not having a shot at religious people but do like Marx's words - 'Religion is the opiate of the masses' - mission statements are the same. Hollow, meaningless words.
A better fix is to a put together a team with a goal and the will to work together to achieve it.

Tell that to the military and law enforcement agencies around the world. We use Mission Statements all the time, and we take them seriously.

You're welcome to your point of view. My experience is the opposite.

Well I'm speaking from experience Mikey, as you are. Obviously we work in different industries with different mindsets. In my profession we do what we say and leadership is paramount to achieving any Mission Statement or Tasking.

I do agree leadership is vital but it needs to be good, rational leadership not mindless slogans and that is my point. I have met very few people who buy into Mission Statements because they don't believe in them but clearly that is not your experience - and I respect that.

Usually when there is a lack of buy in it is due to the statement not truly reflecting the organisation and not being followed through with by leadership.

Consultation and transparency go a long way when writing and acting out on such things. The troops/players are the guys getting the tough stuff done, they need to know that they are being listened to and supported by management - so buy in starts with the boots on the ground - let them determine what they need to get the job done, go around the room/through the organisation and make sure everyone understands what the intent is, agree upon it, then get it done. Not hard but the right approach goes a long way based on my experiences.

Agreed. Management are there to put in place the enabling infrastructure, processes and finances. The broader team including all the coaching and support staff should define their purpose so they own it. Collectively the organisation delivers on it and calls it out if it steers off track. When everyone knows where the bar is set, it’s not hard to reject mediocrity and those that bring it.

 

[twentyforty]

Generally speaking, the club which wins the premiership doesn’t necessarily have the best players, but do possibly have the strongest and most supportive administration. The other possibility is that a rabble of an organisation can succeed in defeating all of its competitors. Which is the most plausible? Lol

 

[Tigerbuck63]

We are a merged entity formed by 2 clubs that were on the decline within the NRL when expansion came outside NSW.

Originally Balmain were the dominant entity but over time and back stabbing at a board level this has now come full circle with Wests now controlling the board.

As a former Balmain supporter i don't really care as i am a Wests Tigers supporter - Winning in 2005 merged us.

We now do have stability at a board level and our finances are under control with a vision for a high performance centre to be completed in Mid 2021.

Currently in CO-VID 2020 we have been training out of make shift facilities and it's hard to attract good players that want to contribute unless the facilities compliment.

Roster has been woeful and another year of pain unless some of the younger players develop faster than anticipated in 2021.

Think once we break our drought playing finals we will be firmly entrenched for the following years, upon that maybe success again, limit the leaks, and buy smarter for less years.

With Benji leaving our statement really is change in culture, change in facilities, change in results.

Change your stripes.

 

[cochise]

We are a merged entity formed by 2 clubs that were on the decline within the NRL when expansion came outside NSW.

Originally Balmain were the dominant entity but over time and back stabbing at a board level this has now come full circle with Wests now controlling the board.

As a former Balmain supporter i don't really care as i am a Wests Tigers supporter - Winning in 2005 merged us.

We now do have stability at a board level and our finances are under control with a vision for a high performance centre to be completed in Mid 2021.

Currently in CO-VID 2020 we have been training out of make shift facilities and it's hard to attract good players that want to contribute unless the facilities compliment.

Roster has been woeful and another year of pain unless some of the younger players develop faster than anticipated in 2021.

Think once we break our drought playing finals we will be firmly entrenched for the following years, upon that maybe success again, limit the leaks, and buy smarter for less years.

With Benji leaving our statement really is change in culture, change in facilities, change in results.

Change your stripes.

You and I don't agree too often, but that is an excellent post.