happy_tiger
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@krissy said in [Wests Tigers \- Who are we\.\.](/post/1240541) said:
What have the WTs ever done for us ?
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What have the WTs ever done for us ?
krissy
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The aquaduct?
Yeah ok I know back on topic
Yeah ok I know back on topic
mike
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@happy_tiger said in [Wests Tigers \- Who are we\.\.](/post/1240542) said:
It’s not what the Wests Tigers .... you know the rest
innsaneink
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@mike said in [Wests Tigers \- Who are we\.\.](/post/1240463) said:
What are others clubs examples of these things?
happy_tiger
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@mike said in [Wests Tigers \- Who are we\.\.](/post/1240547) said:
Its the players that the WTs reject that make the WT's plodders
@cochise said in [Wests Tigers \- Who are we\.\.](/post/1240488) said:
I wonder though...
Is it a case of the chicken before the egg here?
I agree the club needs to outline or at least demonstrate some core values. But it would be laughable to set a mission statement in stone that we as fans have never witnessed any part of it being upheld by the club, the staff or the football team?
If you listen to Pascoe at times he speaks of core values and the pillars of which the club is building on.
What seems to be the case is that the ‘club’ corporately and the ‘club’ operationally seem poles apart as to what they are trying to achieve.
I know it is still fresh in terms of the season ceasing but I see a real shift about to commence with the ‘retirements of Robbie, Benji and Rowdy’ most notably Benji. The ghost of 05 and to a lesser extent 10,11 that has haunted the club for the past 10 years at least is finally leaving.
This statement isn’t a dig at any one player but more an observation that I feel that for the past 15 years this club has been trying to recreate our 05 season ever year believing this is the one.
I’ll leave you with a quote from the NRL Economist that a lot of our forum found joy in ripping apart the observations he made of the club.
‘Yet the Tigers declare their goal is to win the premiership, as Tigers CEO Justin Pascoe explained in a recent podcast interview with this scribe.
“Every year we strive and have the single and only aim of winning a competition, and if we don’t do that, it’s been a fail in regards to what our objectives are at the start of the year,” he said.
Juxtapose that with the All Blacks, who avoid being drawn into thinking about the outcome.
They stay process focused, avoiding the temptation to get distracted by ambitious goals.’
We need a Credo. The below is not perfect and someone can do a better job, but something along the lines of...
Our first responsibility is to ensure Wests Tigers are a club that members and fans can be proud to support. We need to honour the history of our foundation clubs, and forge a united identity for our merged entity.
We have a responsibility to ensure players, football, and admin staff have a safe and secure working environment. We need to ensure all employees feel satisfaction in their the jobs, and reward good performance.
We have a responsibility to our Wests Tigers community - our sponsors, leagues clubs, and the NRL, to stand up for what is right and conduct ourselves with professionalism.
If we do these things, winning will take care of itself. If we attract and retain the games’ best players, works our hearts out, and qualify for finals, we will achieve PREMIERSHIP GLORY.
Our first responsibility is to ensure Wests Tigers are a club that members and fans can be proud to support. We need to honour the history of our foundation clubs, and forge a united identity for our merged entity.
We have a responsibility to ensure players, football, and admin staff have a safe and secure working environment. We need to ensure all employees feel satisfaction in their the jobs, and reward good performance.
We have a responsibility to our Wests Tigers community - our sponsors, leagues clubs, and the NRL, to stand up for what is right and conduct ourselves with professionalism.
If we do these things, winning will take care of itself. If we attract and retain the games’ best players, works our hearts out, and qualify for finals, we will achieve PREMIERSHIP GLORY.
cochise
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@Needaname said in [Wests Tigers \- Who are we\.\.](/post/1240562) said:
Core values are not about the outcome though, they are what you believe in what you use to drive those processes, how can you implement those processes without defining what you stand for?
2 things:
- proudly westies - working class community
- attacking, never say die football
working class community -
We have 200 years of history from 2 strong working class club that represented their local community, with players from their local community.
We have tried to become all things to everyone that we have lost who we are and who our community is. I think we look and are too corporate.
We need to get real and represent the west. Rebrand, become more authentic, more juniors and be part of the community.
attacking, never say die football -
This is something we are known for, mainly thanks to Marshall. Yes we haven't made the finals in 10 years because we cant defend.
But I would hate to watch us if we played like the sharks, and just defend and play boring football.
We need to embrace our attacking flair, but find a way to defend and become more resilient.
- proudly westies - working class community
- attacking, never say die football
working class community -
We have 200 years of history from 2 strong working class club that represented their local community, with players from their local community.
We have tried to become all things to everyone that we have lost who we are and who our community is. I think we look and are too corporate.
We need to get real and represent the west. Rebrand, become more authentic, more juniors and be part of the community.
attacking, never say die football -
This is something we are known for, mainly thanks to Marshall. Yes we haven't made the finals in 10 years because we cant defend.
But I would hate to watch us if we played like the sharks, and just defend and play boring football.
We need to embrace our attacking flair, but find a way to defend and become more resilient.
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@Goanna57 said in [Wests Tigers \- Who are we\.\.](/post/1240571) said:
Maybe the problem is that our players are too professional? They see WT as just a job and once the contract is done, they'll move on to the next place. If greener pastures arrive before then, they'll give their four weeks notice then bid us adieu.
And then there's the guys like Robbie Farah who perhaps loved the club too much and sometimes forgot how to use tact when dealing with people.
@frullens said in [Wests Tigers \- Who are we\.\.](/post/1240566) said:
Agree in part. Marshall was the singlemost best and worst thing for this club. Why 2005 worked so well was because we had a team of mid to late career players that had competed incredibly hard each year leading up to. And including stalwarts like O’Neil and Skandalis who came from the two foundation clubs and continued their careers on within the merged entity. Sheens arrives and recognises that this team of hard workers needed a sprinkling of youthful exuberance to get the right balance.
Heighno one of our premiers and achieved a second with the sharks 11 years on made a stark comparison with the Tigers team of 2005 and the 2016 sharks team. Up until that point the sharks were a hard working team who competed at everything and wanted every team they played to know that they played the sharks and felt every minute they were on the field with them. Gallen says as such.
So whilst I admire your belief that the tigers will just succeed in the premiership with an ultimate focus on exciting attacking football I completely disagree with that sentiment.
The part I agree with is our bizarre over focus from our club from a corporate perspective. And unfortunately your wish of taking it more to the streets and to represent the west is unlikely to eventuate with the focus of the club being to establish a position within the heart of the Sydney market and trying to compete corporately with the likes of the Bulldogs, Rabbitohs and Sydney Roosters.
Tiger_heart
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I'd rather "see" values, in actions and deeds. without needing to have them written down..If you don't have them in you, having them on a piece of paper doesn't make much difference.
tony soprano
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@Geo said in [Wests Tigers \- Who are we\.\.](/post/1240457) said:
It’s time we start demanding results be4 membership
twentyforty
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“Yet the Tigers declare their goal is to win the premiership, as Tigers CEO Justin Pascoe explained in a recent podcast interview with this scribe.
“Every year we strive and have the single and only aim of winning a competition, and if we don’t do that, it’s been a fail in regards to what our objectives are at the start of the year,” he said.
We often hear about these grandiose plans of winning a premiership, but never hear about the how? How exactly Mr CEO are we going to win this premiership? Could it be that we don’t have a publicly acknowledged raisin d’ etre because that comes with commitment, a considered road map toward achievement, and accountability. This lack of direction allows for continual changes in behavioural processes, with each new political appointment in the “control tower”. It also weakens the single most important feature of a successful organisation. The ability to stay on course regardless of internal/external changes.
Tell us what you want to achieve, but more importantly tell us how you will do this , so that we can keep each other on track.
“Every year we strive and have the single and only aim of winning a competition, and if we don’t do that, it’s been a fail in regards to what our objectives are at the start of the year,” he said.
We often hear about these grandiose plans of winning a premiership, but never hear about the how? How exactly Mr CEO are we going to win this premiership? Could it be that we don’t have a publicly acknowledged raisin d’ etre because that comes with commitment, a considered road map toward achievement, and accountability. This lack of direction allows for continual changes in behavioural processes, with each new political appointment in the “control tower”. It also weakens the single most important feature of a successful organisation. The ability to stay on course regardless of internal/external changes.
Tell us what you want to achieve, but more importantly tell us how you will do this , so that we can keep each other on track.
StarswithStripes
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In my organisation, After a difficult business trading period, the CEO made a point of setting a new purpose. He wanted employees to come up with the purpose statement that underpinned our values which came after. There were workshops and everything you’d expect to get people engaged and land on a final statement but 10 years later once we turned that corner the purpose statement has survived even under a new CEO. If you get it right people do invest in it and it sets the business up for success because people can see how their efforts contribute to that success and are held accountable. I reckon get the players to come up with the purpose and values so they own it.
mikey
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Mission statements are hollow words issued by people who have no idea apart from a belief that an ideology will fix everything.
I'm not a communist and I'm not having a shot at religious people but do like Marx's words - 'Religion is the opiate of the masses' - mission statements are the same. Hollow, meaningless words.
A better fix is to a put together a team with a goal and the will to work together to achieve it.
I'm not a communist and I'm not having a shot at religious people but do like Marx's words - 'Religion is the opiate of the masses' - mission statements are the same. Hollow, meaningless words.
A better fix is to a put together a team with a goal and the will to work together to achieve it.
