What does it take to become WTFC

innsaneink

innsaneink

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I am getting increasingly frustrated with all the question marks that surround this 'club'

I know its all mainly media driven and a lot is questionable and fabricated, but we rarely get any solid info whatsoever from the 'club'

Members are mere ticket/seat holders….sticker & lanyard possessors, dodgy members cap wearers....members should get more

If - and heres more question marks - if we are to merge the State Cup teams of Wests Magpies and BRET.....why do we not become a Wests Tigers Football Club?

Who will be members of the JV partners in 5 years time if and when u/18s are still the most senior teams for each organization?
A handful of diehards from either side?
These are the ''members'' that are entrusted with keeping the Wests Tigers board on their toes, make sure theyre doing a good job.....but from what Ive seen a lot of these ''members'' stand for the exact opposite of what their board serves....Wests Tigers Rugby League Football Pty Ltd

Wests Tigers need to make financial supporters members, in that they have a say, a vote, these are the people that care and love the joint, these are the people that want to see it move forward.
How do we become Wests Tigers Football Club with members gaining voting rights?
Im sure it will be near impossible, the fossils will have covered their asses, but one day no one will give a rats about Wests or Balmain, yet plenty will care about WTs.....but all they'll still be able to do is buy a season ticket complete with WTs hanky and cooler bag.....then what?

It all has to change one day
 
Eventually I think this will happen, a bit like the child finally moving out of the WT's will become their own (most likely member or investor owned entity.
 
@innsaneink said:
I am getting increasingly frustrated with all the question marks that surround this 'club'

I know its all mainly media driven and a lot is questionable and fabricated, but we rarely get any solid info whatsoever from the 'club'

Members are mere ticket/seat holders….sticker & lanyard possessors, dodgy members cap wearers....members should get more

If - and heres more question marks - if we are to merge the State Cup teams of Wests Magpies and BRET.....why do we not become a Wests Tigers Football Club?

Who will be members of the JV partners in 5 years time if and when u/18s are still the most senior teams for each organization?
A handful of diehards from either side?
These are the ''members'' that are entrusted with keeping the Wests Tigers board on their toes, make sure theyre doing a good job.....but from what Ive seen a lot of these ''members'' stand for the exact opposite of what their board serves....Wests Tigers Rugby League Football Pty Ltd

Wests Tigers need to make financial supporters members, in that they have a say, a vote, these are the people that care and love the joint, these are the people that want to see it move forward.
How do we become Wests Tigers Football Club with members gaining voting rights?
Im sure it will be near impossible, the fossils will have covered their asses, but one day no one will give a rats about Wests or Balmain, yet plenty will care about WTs.....but all they'll still be able to do is buy a season ticket complete with WTs hanky and cooler bag.....then what?

It all has to change one day
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Ink generally we disagree but on this issue I am 1000 percent in agreement with you merge the football clubs, rebadge the leagues clubs as all wests tigers leagues clubs and merge them together
 
I think one day Western suburbs magpies will probably be majority ownerof wests tigers if balmain keep getting in more debt and can't pay their half of the money for the club
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@innsaneink said:
I am getting increasingly frustrated with all the question marks that surround this 'club'

I know its all mainly media driven and a lot is questionable and fabricated, but we rarely get any solid info whatsoever from the 'club'

Members are mere ticket/seat holders….sticker & lanyard possessors, dodgy members cap wearers....members should get more

If - and heres more question marks - if we are to merge the State Cup teams of Wests Magpies and BRET.....why do we not become a Wests Tigers Football Club?

Who will be members of the JV partners in 5 years time if and when u/18s are still the most senior teams for each organization?
A handful of diehards from either side?
These are the ''members'' that are entrusted with keeping the Wests Tigers board on their toes, make sure theyre doing a good job.....but from what Ive seen a lot of these ''members'' stand for the exact opposite of what their board serves....Wests Tigers Rugby League Football Pty Ltd

Wests Tigers need to make financial supporters members, in that they have a say, a vote, these are the people that care and love the joint, these are the people that want to see it move forward.
How do we become Wests Tigers Football Club with members gaining voting rights?
Im sure it will be near impossible, the fossils will have covered their asses, but one day no one will give a rats about Wests or Balmain, yet plenty will care about WTs.....but all they'll still be able to do is buy a season ticket complete with WTs hanky and cooler bag.....then what?

It all has to change one day
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Great post Ink! You are right we are only 'quasi' members of WTFC and have no voting rights and the only way we can directly influence the direction of the club is through the amount of monies generated by memberships i.e. members happy buy more..not happy buy less .Same for merchandise, crowd numbers that produce food & grog sales. And, in the scheme of things the revenue generated from memberships & add ons is probably a small percentage of total revenue anyway.

The only other way to influence what goes on at WTFC is by being a member of either Balmain or Wests and by voting at their AGM's to select or deselect the Directors , a portion of who will end up being Directors of WTFC under the terms of the JV.

The way the JV currently stands Balmain & Wests must each contribute $500K per annum to WTFC and for that they get to provide an equal number of Directors and a Chairman that rotates every 3 years.

The problem that exists now is that Wests makes a profit and has good cash reserves but Balmain is breakeven profit wise at best , has no cash reserves and looking at the publicly available 2010/2011 financial reports is probably technically insolvent.

What happens to the JV if Balmain goes into liquidation and can't contribute $500K? There is probably a clause in the JV agreement that would allow the other party to acquire the interests of the defaulting party and end up owning 100% of WTFC.

The $2M advance from NRL that is subject of another post is most probably for Balmain and not WTFC and may have something to do with the 'deep' conversation that Junior, Tim & Steve Noyce had on GF day.

Will we ever see Balmain & Wests pool their resources and consolidate into one company/organisation? Unlikely, as Wests because of their strong financial position would command a much higher shareholding and Balmain are still fighting hard to hold up their end of the JV but probably fighting a losing battle unless the redevelopment happens..and fast.
 
@innsaneink said:
I am getting increasingly frustrated with all the question marks that surround this 'club'

I know its all mainly media driven and a lot is questionable and fabricated, but we rarely get any solid info whatsoever from the 'club'

Members are mere ticket/seat holders….sticker & lanyard possessors, dodgy members cap wearers....members should get more

If - and heres more question marks - if we are to merge the State Cup teams of Wests Magpies and BRET.....why do we not become a Wests Tigers Football Club?

Who will be members of the JV partners in 5 years time if and when u/18s are still the most senior teams for each organization?
A handful of diehards from either side?
These are the ''members'' that are entrusted with keeping the Wests Tigers board on their toes, make sure theyre doing a good job.....but from what Ive seen a lot of these ''members'' stand for the exact opposite of what their board serves....Wests Tigers Rugby League Football Pty Ltd

Wests Tigers need to make financial supporters members, in that they have a say, a vote, these are the people that care and love the joint, these are the people that want to see it move forward.
How do we become Wests Tigers Football Club with members gaining voting rights?
Im sure it will be near impossible, the fossils will have covered their asses, but one day no one will give a rats about Wests or Balmain, yet plenty will care about WTs.....but all they'll still be able to do is buy a season ticket complete with WTs hanky and cooler bag.....then what?

It all has to change one day
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I think I'm going to disagree with you on that one. I'm a member of the Balmain Football Club, have been since my 18th birthday and I plan to be until the day I die. I think it's a bit offensive to say as a member I stand for something different to the joint venture. I want the Wests Tigers to succeed because just like all Balmain and Wests supporters they are my team. I support the Balmain junior teams, but first and foremost is the joint venture in first grade. I actually think the current system, works fine. How many of the current clubs offer voting rights for the board with their season ticket 'memberships'? It needs to be understood that we're not the AFL, we have different structures. A membership with an NRL club is basically just a season ticket, it's just that the NRL wants us in line with the AFL therefore they call them memberships.

And who's to say that the supporters will vote for the people on the board who will actually know what they're doing? I fear that if WT 'members' (basically season ticket holders) will vote in the popular members of the supporter groups, and we'll end up with a board of supporters who have no business of life experience, rather than most of the current board who are life-long supporters of the club with business and/or sporting pedigree. I think the current system works fine. If you want a season ticket then sign as a WT member. If you want influence with the board etc then sign up as a member of Balmain or one of the Wests Group members, plain and simple.

In addition, should we move away from the current structure, would current members be willing to cover any financial short-falls the club would experience? Surely you can out together a couple of million dollars a year to do that.

I didn't think so.

And I agree with one of the other posters that if we were to move away from the current structure it would only for private investors to have a share in the joint venture.
 
How many at this meeting, wtfl1981?

Benjiriffic: Read my posts carefully, I didnt say ALL stand for the opposite of what the board serves, I said 'a lot'…which is not 'all'
Ive a fleeting interest in Balmain & Wests junior rep teams, I dont wish to fund them with my $$$$...WTs are my interest.

And who's to say that the supporters will vote for the people on the board who will actually know what they're doing?

So this is happening now and has been for the past 13 years??

I fear that if WT 'members' (basically season ticket holders) will vote in the popular members of the supporter groups, and we'll end up with a board of supporters who have no business of life experience,

Pure speculation, nothing more, youve no idea who will put themselves forward in time
 
Around 100.

This 3 WSM board members were absent.

The meeting was independent of WT and WAL
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Info meeting was held today at ashfield by WSDRLFC and WSM members:

White Paper proposal involves the following 4 options for WSDRLFC. These have NOT been decided on.

- Field a WSM nsw cup team for 2013 (but sponsorship and resources would need to be costed)
- Field a WT nsw cup team for 2013
- Sit out nsw cup season 2013
- Bundy Cup side 2013

Also listed was a set of conditions that WT agreed to if a WT nsw cup team went ahead for 2013

A decision re Ashfield funding will be determined by WAL board next wednesday

Wests group (ashfield - campbelltown and magpies fc) are unified - however more contribution is desired from campbelltown

Mention that preparations are being made for WSDRLFC will take over running of WJL

Although balmain was not formally discussed, it was mentioned that Ryde-Eastwood will cease funding of BRET. This is something not involved with WSM

WSM outsource running of sg ball and matts to WT but will retain full WSM branding

An agreed single nsw cup team will be reviewed at end of 2013

WSM can withdraw from a combined WT nsw cup team if they wish to re enter as a stand alone team

A single WT team will be playing in WT heritage strips as previously mentioned.

Sponsorship and general $$ funding is the main issue when it comes to viability of any football club.

Future of nsw cup is not locked in. May remain as is. TV Contract with NYC hinders any change to current format

Talk of a nsw cup gf winner vs qld cup gf winner playing head to head on nrl gf day

WAL board decision this Wednesday

WSDRLFC member vote in about 5 weeks to determine if WSDRLFC members get to have a final vote on what 1-4 option to take.
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@wtfl1981 said:
Info meeting was held today at ashfield by WSDRLFC and WSM members:

White Paper proposal involves the following 4 options for WSDRLFC. These have NOT been decided on.

- Field a WSM nsw cup team for 2013 (but sponsorship and resources would need to be costed)
- Field a WT nsw cup team for 2013
- Sit out nsw cup season 2013
- Bundy Cup side 2013

Also listed was a set of conditions that WT agreed to if a WT nsw cup team went ahead for 2013

A decision re Ashfield funding will be determined by WAL board next wednesday

Wests group (ashfield - campbelltown and magpies fc) are unified - however more contribution is desired from campbelltown

Mention that preparations are being made for WSDRLFC will take over running of WJL

Although balmain was not formally discussed, it was mentioned that Ryde-Eastwood will cease funding of BRET. This is something not involved with WSM

WSM outsource running of sg ball and matts to WT but will retain full WSM branding

An agreed single nsw cup team will be reviewed at end of 2013

WSM can withdraw from a combined WT nsw cup team if they wish to re enter as a stand alone team

A single WT team will be playing in WT heritage strips as previously mentioned.

Sponsorship and general $$ funding is the main issue when it comes to viability of any football club.

Future of nsw cup is not locked in. May remain as is. TV Contract with NYC hinders any change to current format

Talk of a nsw cup gf winner vs qld cup gf winner playing head to head on nrl gf day

WAL board decision this Wednesday

WSDRLFC member vote in about 5 weeks to determine if WSDRLFC members get to have a final vote on what 1-4 option to take.
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Well done mate, thanks for the heads up on the meeting
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Spot on. Why can't members be more actively involved rather than just glorified season ticket holders? Why can't we get transparency? Participation? Shareholders get more rights!
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@wtfl1981 said:
This 3 WSM board members were absent.
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So you're saying that 3 of the relevant board members couldn;t be bothered going? That's pretty ordinary.
 
@angeman said:
Spot on. Why can't members be more actively involved rather than just glorified season ticket holders? Why can't we get transparency? Participation? Shareholders get more rights!
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There is nothing stopping people becoming members of Balmain or any of the Wests Magpies groups. That is the way it's been since the start, and I think it should remain that way. WT members are nothing more than customers, but there is nothing that says otherwise. Shareholders get more rights because they put the money in, plain and simple. And there is transparency if you're a member of one of the football clubs, ask a question at a meeting and it will get answered.
 
@softlaw said:
@wtfl1981 said:
This 3 WSM board members were absent.
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So you're saying that 3 of the relevant board members couldn;t be bothered going? That's pretty ordinary.
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Disappointing yes.
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LOL
No one says anythings stopping anyone being a WS or BT member…why even mention that?

Who are the shareholders, the WS & BT members?
$11 per annum is more money?

ask a question at a meeting and it will get answered.

Funny how everyone here is in the dark as to WTs finances....youd think THE most ardent passionate supporters would frequent here, even Wests & BT FC members, yet we are still in the dark on WTs....dont try & tell me Wests & balmain will answer these questions
 
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LOL
No one says anythings stopping anyone being a WS or BT member…why even mention that?

Who are the shareholders, the WS & BT members?
$11 per annum is more money?

ask a question at a meeting and it will get answered.

Funny how everyone here is in the dark as to WTs finances....youd think THE most ardent passionate supporters would frequent here, even Wests & BT FC members, yet we are still in the dark on WTs....dont try & tell me Wests & balmain will answer these questions
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your 100% correct there….
 
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