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alien
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What if the Magpies were the sole NSw Cup side?
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Tiger_Watto
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@alien said:
It doesnt work like that Alien… If Wests chose to withdraw from the 'business partnership', they would either sell thier shareholding (50%), or walk away... In this case, the ownership provinence would revert to the other 50% stakeholder.
Obviously this wouldnt happen, as its clear the Magpies have a strong desire to be apart of top flight RL in Australia.
tiger4ever
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GNR4LIFE Balmain did go to parramatta to play home games for a few years but we didnt claim anyone from that area as juniors did we…...I dont believe if there was no wests it would be the end of the club as balmain would move into privatisation.We have a financial backer.So dont go down that road.
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alien
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@Tiger Watto said:
exactly
Gary_Bakerloo
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@tiger4ever said:
If this is the case, why remain a shareholder in the joint venture? Surely the directors of balmain football club have a fiduciary duty to make decisions in the best interests of balmain. I would view standing alone with a private backer covering all the costs the best thing to do. Why bother with wests?
tiger4ever
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Im not saying they want to go it alone its your compatriots doing that.The thing im saying is balmain wouldnt go broke if Wests wanted to go alone.HARRY would buy the club if it was a stand alone is what im saying and the way some of you guys are going on it makes me want it to happen.As far as i know they were lookig at privatisation before the merge happened but decided to merge and most people are very happy.including me
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alien
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@tiger4ever said:
:laughing: riiiight.
so why didnt harry buy balmain tigers in 1999???
tiger4ever
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You can laugh what would you know about balmain.Balmain didnt want to lose control of there club was one reason.
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This thread will be closed unless people can stick to the topic.
Alf_Duguid
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Bring back Bug. This whole thread is confusing
Balmain_Bug
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Lets look at the thread question.
Before we can answer that question, do Wests Magpies have any funding or any sponsorship in the pipeline for 2012 ?
It looks to me as though if they do not have NRL contracted players they will not be able to afford to field a team.
St George Illawarra would lend there players to Wests for sure if WT opted not too. Wollongong is not too fsr to Campbelltown.
Before we can answer that question, do Wests Magpies have any funding or any sponsorship in the pipeline for 2012 ?
It looks to me as though if they do not have NRL contracted players they will not be able to afford to field a team.
St George Illawarra would lend there players to Wests for sure if WT opted not too. Wollongong is not too fsr to Campbelltown.
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alien
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@Balmain Bug said:
canberra might aswell
Gary_Bakerloo
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@alien said:
I do see the point of having two teams, but from a Wests Tigers business operations perspective, it probably is not efficient. By bringing the state cup team under Wests Tigers operations (ie: funded by Wests Tigers), it could reduce stress on the three Leagues clubs - they will only be required to top up Wests Tigers and the junior teams, not Wests Tigers and juniors AND their respective state cup teams. The state cup teams must be quite expensive to run.
I would envisage the "top up" amount to Wests Tigers from the Leagues clubs would be larger in the first year or two of operations as we transition to the new model, but you would expect Wests Tigers to continue generate more revenue so they can reduce their reliance on the Leagues Clubs. If we do have excess over-age players, surely Wests or Balmain could field a team in the Jim Beam cup or have an arrangement with a team in the group 6 competition.
Wests Tigers will finally be streamlined and integrated. The state cup team can play at both Leichhardt and Campbelltown. One issue I do note is per Smeghead's post about the Independent Commission and a national reserve grade competition. Jumping forward, this would mean that Campbelltown Stadium is only used 4 times per year instead of the current model of 4 NRL games + Western Suburbs State cup matches. I don't think Campbelltown Council would be happy with that scenario and would tender for more users such as Canterbury and the Roosters. Not sure how Leichhardt council would react to Leichhardt only be used 4 times per year as well.
I just cannot see the point of Ryde-Eastwood's continued involvement if Balmain wishes to drop their name or involvement in BRET. Merge, bring it under Wests Tigers and get on with it.
I agree with most of what you say Gary. WT (I believe) have been fairly active in moving away from funding models which rely heavily on leagues club grants.
As for the ground arrangements:
I don't think Leichhardt Council would be too concerned about how often the ground is used.
Why would the Roosters and/or Canterbury want to play at Campbelltown? I don't understand that.
As for the ground arrangements:
I don't think Leichhardt Council would be too concerned about how often the ground is used.
Why would the Roosters and/or Canterbury want to play at Campbelltown? I don't understand that.
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Gary the proposed model mooted this season had Ryde Eastwood volunteering to move to being a major sponsor of the side if the side moved to be under the Wests Tigers banner
Gary_Bakerloo
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@Yossarian said:
We would have to rely on the Leagues Clubs more under the streamlined structure initially, but hopefully move away from that reliance. The point being that Wests Tigers under the current structure has almost removed the reliance, but this reliance may increase with a reserve grade team under its operations. Yes, hopefully continue to reduce the reliance.
Roosters and Canterbury both have a supporter base in the area and have made gestures to capture a part of the south west Sydney market:
- Roosters developing a leagues club in Narellan (plus Noyce as CEO)
- Canterbury attempted to build a ground in Liverpool, plus they have always wanted out of Belmore/Homebush.
Combined with Campbelltown Council not wanting a purpose built stadium sitting dormant for all but 4 weeks of the season, they could offer a game or two to these two clubs. Similar to how Gosford gets Manly and Cronulla to play at Bluetongue.
This should not be taken as a swipe at Wests Tigers, but given the size and growth of the Macarthur region, there is a vacuum of NRL exposure in the area. Other NRL clubs can also see the potential of the region and an opportunity for growth.
Gary_Bakerloo
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@smeghead said:
Fair enough - obviously that sponsorship would have to be renewed each year, but it would certainly cover the costs of the State Cup team.
@Gary Bakerloo said:
Maybe but I think Gosford is a different kettle of fish. You have a large base of people who don't get any other games and are largely unaligned to other clubs. In Campbelltown most league fans are likely to be rusted on WT fans who are already getting 4 games a year. I also don't see Cambo council offering the money. Gosford pays teams because Singo has the management rights. AFAIK (and someone can correct me if its wrong) Campbelltown council manages the stadium itself.
The finance stuff will come down to the NRL grants and the salary cap.
The_Phantom
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@cktiger said:
How long do we have to keep reading this stupid argument ??