southerntiger
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For me neither party is ever going to make much of a difference (I earn a decent crust)- so I base my vote on values.
Where do you sit on the political compass?
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Yeah theres some people that aren't majorly affected, but then again some are too.
I care little for either party, but that being I still vote properly because if you don't have your say you have no right to complain.
I just noticed your location ST… Labor supporter, Beijing, You're not Kevin Rudd are you? :stuck_out_tongue:
I care little for either party, but that being I still vote properly because if you don't have your say you have no right to complain.
I just noticed your location ST… Labor supporter, Beijing, You're not Kevin Rudd are you? :stuck_out_tongue:
southerntiger
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Nah I am not Kevin Rudd - dont worry. I am certainly not the biggest labor supporter, although I was in my younger days. Now, like Kaiser, it is simply a matter of preference and that I cant stand what the other bunch represent.
My location is actually about to change - moving back to Sydney at the end of June.
My location is actually about to change - moving back to Sydney at the end of June.
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My hatred of Abbott in particular is the only reason the Coalition is not getting my vote this coming election.
If it were Turnbull and he had support from a strong left faction within the party than it would be a Coalition vote without doubt.
For mine Abbott represents the first salvo in the modern religious right movement that hogties a nations development to it's "biblical morals". Howard was the first step much like a Reagan in that he did the job well and targetted softer moral issues in o much as pretty much the entire spectrum could see the sense and still pedalled the usual right wing tax cut policies.
Abbot is about 4 or 5 steps further down that road. It would be unfair to compare him to Bush Jnr. He is far more intelligent and dangerous than that
If it were Turnbull and he had support from a strong left faction within the party than it would be a Coalition vote without doubt.
For mine Abbott represents the first salvo in the modern religious right movement that hogties a nations development to it's "biblical morals". Howard was the first step much like a Reagan in that he did the job well and targetted softer moral issues in o much as pretty much the entire spectrum could see the sense and still pedalled the usual right wing tax cut policies.
Abbot is about 4 or 5 steps further down that road. It would be unfair to compare him to Bush Jnr. He is far more intelligent and dangerous than that
@Kaiser said:
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it shirts me how so many people don't know what Fascism actually is. They just think of killing jews and piano wire.
you guys need your head read. it is state labour and the greens who are trying to destroy the redevelopment of the tigers club and stopped the metro. rudd is running this country into the ground from a 19 billion surplus to 50 billion deficit in one year. geez i thought you guys at least had half a brain
i've got more than that, that's why I'm a member of the Liberal Party…
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And look at what Bush accomplished; started two wars, spearheaded a financial meltdown & learnt that yelling "Amigo! Amigo!" isn't the right way to get the Italian Prime Ministers attention at the '08 G8.
I agree Abbott is far more dangerous.
Can't say the Liberals will get my vote with Abbott in charge. Malcolm Turnbull was a far better option. Abbott isn't a very big hit with the ladies and his penchant for offering his unpopular personal opinions to any media outlet will probably guarantee Kevin Rudd's re-election. Not a fan of anyone who uses politics to wheelbarrow their religious agenda.
Not a fan of organised religion in any way actually. Indoctrination in its purest form.
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@kul said:
so does that make you a abbott fan.
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@white said:
:laughing: The redevelopment of the Rozelle club is not even a blip on the radar in regards to how I vote in the State or Federal elections. Anyone who votes on a single issue is an utter dunce.
In regard to the Metro. Again a State issue and it is something that should not have been dropped. The biggest problem the Sydney Basin faces is that archaic planning laws have seen urban sprawl occur at a rate that infrastructure growth would never be able to keep up. Rather than following the trend of growing up through developments of apartment complexes we have kept to the colonial idea of 1/2 acre blocks (smaller these days I know). This eroor has been in place since the 1970's under every government and faction within the two major parties.
The defecit is a non issue for mine. We have faired better in terms of percentages, consumer confidence, inflation, unemployment, interst rate rises and general rate of recovery than any nation in the Western world. This is not Rudds sole doing however in the same respect that the years of surplus were not the sole doing of the Howard years. The markets have their own cycles and politics independant of any centralised governance.
An ideal political system will see a relatively even distribution of time for both left and right major parties as each has their role to play in a balanced societal growth
AndTheKungFoSing
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@smeghead said:
Nice post Smeg…
I don't understand how anyone could serisouly consider Tony Abbott winning the next election a victory. Would probably speed up my plans to move across the tasman
Hey Smeg, just out of curiosity… What do you do for a crust?
southerntiger
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@smeghead said:
Agree. I dont let my support for the Tigers affect political decisions. Regardless, I think you find that most of these types of decisions (the non ideological ones) are made by politicians on the advice of senior bureacrats. It wouldnt matter which party was in generally the same decision would be made.
Deficit is very much a non-issue. In fact, most economic theories suggest deficits are appropriate and should be encouraged in certain circumstances. BTW am I missing something? Didnt the budget forecast suggest we will be back in the black very shortly and sooner than expected after the financial crisis? Doesnt sound like mismanagement to me.
Now dont get me started on the internet censorship plan - thats almost a reason to vote against them and like others if it was Turnbull, who I have some respect for, I might have just done it.
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@Cultured Bogan said:
I am self employed in the manufacturing industry right now as well as a International Policy consultant (NGO aligned)
End of next year I move into a different field overseas
@southerntiger said:
Very true. Easy to do by whacking 25% more tax on top of cigarettes. $5 billion (or soemthing to that effect) extra generated a year. Glad I gave up the bungers when I did :sunglasses:
southerntiger
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Yep but the important thing is that the budget was fiscally sound and there wasnt an increase in income taxes (which I havent paid in 3 years but am about to start paying again :wink: ).
I say all this as a non-smoker of course.
I say all this as a non-smoker of course.
@magpie mania said:
Not at all
dispise the guy!
As much as I hate the presidential style two-party elections that we have, the sad fact is that no longer are we voting for our local member only. No, now we vote for who we want to be PM. That is not how our democracy should work.
anyway…
no, i'm going to be casting an invalid vote if Abbott is still leader come the election.
@Kul said:
Get your crayon ready then Kul, I don't see Abbott going anywhere. They seem more cohesive than they did under Turnbull.
AndTheKungFoSing
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@Kul said:
This is the very issue which plauged many Labor supporters throughout the years….
southerntiger
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Abbott will be there. The only viable alternative is Hockey and he will, prudently, wait until after the election before making his move. Despite the recent polls, which in of themselves are meaningless until they become a trend, I still believe Labor will get back in comfortably. Rudd is a very good political campaigner and Abbott, from what I have seen over this years, is not. It is also very rare of have one term governments. Dont forget the Howard government was very unpopular in their first term but were still re-elected.
Rudd reminds me of Bob Carr. Goes under the radar mid-term but come an election campaign he will fire up.
Rudd reminds me of Bob Carr. Goes under the radar mid-term but come an election campaign he will fire up.
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