Where does Jason Taylor go with our great hooker policy now?!

@stevetiger said:
@trafford10 said:
@stevetiger said:
@innsaneink said:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/archive/news/bennett-was-right-to-sack-me-lewis/story-e6frg7n6-1111117385234

The thing is I don't believe that the Farah situation is like the Lewis situation. At the same time I wonder if JT is just trying to mimic Bennett.

What I'm asking is did it have to be handled this badly?
Fact is now it's done Robbie has to leave.
I can't see any circumstance now that he will stay in 2017.
I wonder in 10 years time who will be remembered more fondly by West Tigers fans?
I'm pretty sure who it will be. I don't need those 10 years.

I reckon that this is just bad form and there is no need for it.

I cant see any reason that he has to move, im hoping that he stays, and fulfills his contract and
Gets his money that WtS signed for, All of it
And show them the same loyalty as the club has shown him. None
An easier year and the same money, It may even lengthen his time in the game.

Taylor wants a team without Farah….Fine , give it to him.
but he can do it with the players that he has , and not the money that will be going to Farah.
he wanted the job and stated that he could work with what he has, So go for it
 
@GNR4LIFE said:
@stevetiger said:
@GNR4LIFE said:
@iofthetigers said:
The difference is Wally's contract had expired so he effectively wasn't punted

Lewis, Jennings and Gordon's contracts hadn't expired though.

In all of these instances the situation was handled a lot lot better than what we've seen.

It was. None of those players dragged their club through the media.

I remember the night the statement was released, and there was a backlash instantly. Why was the club not entitled to give him permission to look elsewhere just like Penrith did with those 3 players. Because working out the difference in both original intentions gives me a headache.

Great point. From memory Wests tried to do the respectful thing but Ayoub being the grub he is, leaked it to the media and let it play out from there
 
@goldcoast tiger said:
@stevetiger said:
@trafford10 said:
@stevetiger said:
The thing is I don't believe that the Farah situation is like the Lewis situation. At the same time I wonder if JT is just trying to mimic Bennett.

What I'm asking is did it have to be handled this badly?
Fact is now it's done Robbie has to leave.
I can't see any circumstance now that he will stay in 2017.
I wonder in 10 years time who will be remembered more fondly by West Tigers fans?
I'm pretty sure who it will be. I don't need those 10 years.

I reckon that this is just bad form and there is no need for it.

I cant see any reason that he has to move, im hoping that he stays, and fulfills his contract and
Gets his money that WtS signed for, All of it
And show them the same loyalty as the club has shown him. None
An easier year and the same money, It may even lengthen his time in the game.

Taylor wants a team without Farah….Fine , give it to him.
but he can do it with the players that he has , and not the money that will be going to Farah.
he wanted the job and stated that he could work with what he has, So go for it

me too mate

might be a bit of a hit to the ego initially, but i hope he stays in 2017 and plays reggies and gets paid
if anything, enjoy his footy out of the spotlight and out of the sights of Taylor

never know, it might freshen him up a bit…. if Taylor gets the punt mid way through etc, he'll be back to finish off the year and sign out accordingly
 
@bobo125 said:
@goldcoast tiger said:
@stevetiger said:
@trafford10 said:
What I'm asking is did it have to be handled this badly?
Fact is now it's done Robbie has to leave.
I can't see any circumstance now that he will stay in 2017.
I wonder in 10 years time who will be remembered more fondly by West Tigers fans?
I'm pretty sure who it will be. I don't need those 10 years.

I reckon that this is just bad form and there is no need for it.

I cant see any reason that he has to move, im hoping that he stays, and fulfills his contract and
Gets his money that WtS signed for, All of it
And show them the same loyalty as the club has shown him. None
An easier year and the same money, It may even lengthen his time in the game.

Taylor wants a team without Farah….Fine , give it to him.
but he can do it with the players that he has , and not the money that will be going to Farah.
he wanted the job and stated that he could work with what he has, So go for it

me too mate

might be a bit of a hit to the ego initially, but i hope he stays in 2017 and plays reggies and gets paid
if anything, enjoy his footy out of the spotlight and out of the sights of Taylor

never know, it might freshen him up a bit…. if Taylor gets the punt mid way through etc, he'll be back to finish off the year and sign out accordingly

I sort of want that to.

But probably best for him to go the Dragons, he can get a new lease on his football life.
 
@goldcoast tiger said:
@stevetiger said:
@trafford10 said:
@stevetiger said:
The thing is I don't believe that the Farah situation is like the Lewis situation. At the same time I wonder if JT is just trying to mimic Bennett.

What I'm asking is did it have to be handled this badly?
Fact is now it's done Robbie has to leave.
I can't see any circumstance now that he will stay in 2017.
I wonder in 10 years time who will be remembered more fondly by West Tigers fans?
I'm pretty sure who it will be. I don't need those 10 years.

I reckon that this is just bad form and there is no need for it.

I cant see any reason that he has to move, im hoping that he stays, and fulfills his contract and
Gets his money that WtS signed for, All of it
And show them the same loyalty as the club has shown him. None
An easier year and the same money, It may even lengthen his time in the game.

Taylor wants a team without Farah….Fine , give it to him.
but he can do it with the players that he has , and not the money that will be going to Farah.
he wanted the job and stated that he could work with what he has, So go for it

What you have outlined just sounds petty and spiteful. It wouldn't just be JT that would suffer as a result of that, it would be all of the other players, everyone associated with the club and all the fans. You would really want to see that just to satisfy some petty vengeance?

I don't agree with his dumping this week. I thought he was working well off the bench. I don't know what has changed but I do not agree that he is not part of our best 17 and I'm not persuaded by any stats suggesting that others play better when he's not there. I don't like the timing of the move and I think it has the potential to derail a season that was far from over. All of that being said, I definitely don't want to see another season contaminated by all of this crap. If the club really want him gone and will genuinely play him in State Cup if he stays then he should just go. It won't cost him anything and it may just open up a whole bunch of future possibilities.
 
@Nelson said:
@goldcoast tiger said:
@stevetiger said:
@trafford10 said:
What I'm asking is did it have to be handled this badly?
Fact is now it's done Robbie has to leave.
I can't see any circumstance now that he will stay in 2017.
I wonder in 10 years time who will be remembered more fondly by West Tigers fans?
I'm pretty sure who it will be. I don't need those 10 years.

I reckon that this is just bad form and there is no need for it.

I cant see any reason that he has to move, im hoping that he stays, and fulfills his contract and
Gets his money that WtS signed for, All of it
And show them the same loyalty as the club has shown him. None
An easier year and the same money, It may even lengthen his time in the game.

Taylor wants a team without Farah….Fine , give it to him.
but he can do it with the players that he has , and not the money that will be going to Farah.
he wanted the job and stated that he could work with what he has, So go for it

What you have outlined just sounds petty and spiteful. It wouldn't just be JT that would suffer as a result of that, it would be all of the other players, everyone associated with the club and all the fans. You would really want to see that just to satisfy some petty vengeance?

I don't agree with his dumping this week. I thought he was working well off the bench. I don't know what has changed but I do not agree that he is not part of our best 17 and I'm not persuaded by any stats suggesting that others play better when he's not there. I don't like the timing of the move and I think it has the potential to derail a season that was far from over. All of that being said, I definitely don't want to see another season contaminated by all of this crap. If the club really want him gone and will genuinely play him in State Cup if he stays then he should just go. It won't cost him anything and it may just open up a whole bunch of future possibilities.

What other opportunities would it open up ?
If Farah stays and plays out his days in State cup or the club Miraculously pays him out , the playing roster will be behind all other clubs to the sum of $950k for the 2017 season …

Basket case of a club .
 
@hobbo2803 said:
What other opportunities would it open up ?
If Farah stays and plays out his days in State cup or the club Miraculously pays him out , the playing roster will be behind all other clubs to the sum of $950k for the 2017 season …

Basket case of a club .

SOO next year if he goes and tears it up for another club in the NRL. A future role with the WT's in a coaching or management capacity. Media opportunities. Possibilities for good money over in the ESL. The kinds of things that would be foreclosed to him if he were content to be parked in State Cup for a year while taking the money. Sure he can do that if he wants but his game (and value) will deteriorate, he will alienate himself from the club and he will trash any reputation he has.
 
It's s good thing Daley didn't punt Farah from origin
He won't get picked from reserves next year.he'll need to be playing firsts somewhere.
 
@hobbo2803 said:
@Nelson said:
@goldcoast tiger said:
@stevetiger said:
I reckon that this is just bad form and there is no need for it.

I cant see any reason that he has to move, im hoping that he stays, and fulfills his contract and
Gets his money that WtS signed for, All of it
And show them the same loyalty as the club has shown him. None
An easier year and the same money, It may even lengthen his time in the game.

Taylor wants a team without Farah….Fine , give it to him.
but he can do it with the players that he has , and not the money that will be going to Farah.
he wanted the job and stated that he could work with what he has, So go for it

What you have outlined just sounds petty and spiteful. It wouldn't just be JT that would suffer as a result of that, it would be all of the other players, everyone associated with the club and all the fans. You would really want to see that just to satisfy some petty vengeance?

I don't agree with his dumping this week. I thought he was working well off the bench. I don't know what has changed but I do not agree that he is not part of our best 17 and I'm not persuaded by any stats suggesting that others play better when he's not there. I don't like the timing of the move and I think it has the potential to derail a season that was far from over. All of that being said, I definitely don't want to see another season contaminated by all of this crap. If the club really want him gone and will genuinely play him in State Cup if he stays then he should just go. It won't cost him anything and it may just open up a whole bunch of future possibilities.

What other opportunities would it open up ?
If Farah stays and plays out his days in State cup or the club Miraculously pays him out , the playing roster will be behind all other clubs to the sum of $950k for the 2017 season …

Basket case of a club .

Nelson , if the club shows NO loyalty to a player, it deserves none from the player.
Farah showed plenty towards the club when he signed and agreed to get less at the beginning of his contract, and have it nade up in the last two years.
This resulted in the club being able to pay more to money to other players.
Now when Farah is due to get the money that his contract stipulates he has to Cop s**t
From a small of club supporters because he is taking up a large part of our Cap

If the club had a better hooker that's fine. But we haven't , not even close.
This is just a case of a club trying to slither out of paying what they Originally said they would.
The club should fully live up to their side of the contract and not try crawl out of it by getting another club to pay part of his contract. They made the deal now they've got to pay for it ,
I don't care if it was previous officials, it was a deal signed off by the WTs, Honour it!!!
The club and Taylor stuffed this up in the beginning , and whatever they do , it just increases the crap name that our club is getting with the wider league Community.

As I said in another post. Other players may not forget how our club treats one of its few few players who has , and still is putting everything into any time that he runs on to the field
Bet the reserve graders will love having him in their team.
Just sit back and listen to the sound of the other clubs splitting their sides,
 
@goldcoast tiger said:
Nelson , if the club shows NO loyalty to a player, it deserves none from the player.
Farah showed plenty towards the club when he signed and agreed to get less at the beginning of his contract, and have it nade up in the last two years.
This resulted in the club being able to pay more to money to other players.
Now when Farah is due to get the money that his contract stipulates he has to Cop s**t
From a small of club supporters because he is taking up a large part of our Cap

If the club had a better hooker that's fine. But we haven't , not even close.
This is just a case of a club trying to slither out of paying what they Originally said they would.
The club should fully live up to their side of the contract and not try crawl out of it by getting another club to pay part of his contract. They made the deal now they've got to pay for it ,
I don't care if it was previous officials, it was a deal signed off by the WTs, Honour it!!!
The club and Taylor stuffed this up in the beginning , and whatever they do , it just increases the crap name that our club is getting with the wider league Community.

As I said in another post. Other players may not forget how our club treats one of its few few players who has , and still is putting everything into any time that he runs on to the field
Bet the reserve graders will love having him in their team.
Just sit back and listen to the sound of the other clubs splitting their sides,

There are players out there who flat out take unders to stay with a club they love. They don't take it on the condition it will be made up later, they just flat out take it. That's real loyalty. I don't think deferral of payment is in the same league as that. Sure it helps the club (in an extremely shortsighted way on the part of the club) but it's not really making any great sacrifice for the club.

At the time of his last contract he was strongly linked to Parra. Ayoub did everything he could to maximise the value of Farah's contract by courting Parra and he succeeded - the contract is a big one even omitting the back payments. So he treated it like a business. He can do that, he's perfectly entitled to. I don't personally think it leaves him in a great position to play the loyalty card though when the club turns around and makes business decisions of its own.
 
I don't think that there is any doubt that Farah has been overpaid by our club. He definitely cannot complain about that.

The thing is he just had better people managing that than the club had on it's side.

I don't see that though as an issue in picking the best team this week.
 
@Nelson said:
@goldcoast tiger said:
Nelson , if the club shows NO loyalty to a player, it deserves none from the player.
Farah showed plenty towards the club when he signed and agreed to get less at the beginning of his contract, and have it nade up in the last two years.
This resulted in the club being able to pay more to money to other players.
Now when Farah is due to get the money that his contract stipulates he has to Cop s**t
From a small of club supporters because he is taking up a large part of our Cap

If the club had a better hooker that's fine. But we haven't , not even close.
This is just a case of a club trying to slither out of paying what they Originally said they would.
The club should fully live up to their side of the contract and not try crawl out of it by getting another club to pay part of his contract. They made the deal now they've got to pay for it ,
I don't care if it was previous officials, it was a deal signed off by the WTs, Honour it!!!
The club and Taylor stuffed this up in the beginning , and whatever they do , it just increases the crap name that our club is getting with the wider league Community.

As I said in another post. Other players may not forget how our club treats one of its few few players who has , and still is putting everything into any time that he runs on to the field
Bet the reserve graders will love having him in their team.
Just sit back and listen to the sound of the other clubs splitting their sides,

There are players out there who flat out take unders to stay with a club they love. They don't take it on the condition it will be made up later, they just flat out take it. That's real loyalty. I don't think deferral of payment is in the same league as that. Sure it helps the club (in an extremely shortsighted way on the part of the club) but it's not really making any great sacrifice for the club.

At the time of his last contract he was strongly linked to Parra. Ayoub did everything he could to maximise the value of Farah's contract by courting Parra and he succeeded - the contract is a big one even omitting the back payments. So he treated it like a business. He can do that, he's perfectly entitled to. I don't personally think it leaves him in a great position to play the loyalty card though when the club turns around and makes business decisions of its own.

This idea of all these players loving clubs is , in the main, a fantasy,
There are a fair few reasons why a player takes unders to stay with a club. Ranging from, using it as an excuse for no other club offering a higher amount. Sounds better tham "I couldn't get a higher offer"
The player getting money on the side , so says he took unders. Which may appear on his contract, at least the official one. Have we heard of that one before???
The players/ wife/ family/ don't really want to move from am area/school etc.
Playerswant to play for a particular Coach ( I admit that the last one isn't one that Taylor has heard often) E.g. If Bennett went to coach Oodnagullabi Reserve grade, Darius would be there in a flash . Even if he was paid nothing.
But there only so many Darius's around, thank God.

Just a few reasons, but there a heap of then. The same as Robbie not wanting to move away from Family.
As for Ayoub .
His job is to get the best deal for his client, and it seems like he does a good job.
Abuse him all you like, but he gets results for his clients, and that's what he's paid to do
Farah didn't have to take backloaded payments, but it helped the club.
Now we have people saying he's not worth it,
His money he is paid in 16, and 17 is not an indication of his value today.
It's his value over the 4 yrs , two of which he was paid a lot less than he should have received in the first two years. Simple isn't
So we can stop whingeing about him receiving the amount he is costing the club. As there's two years worth of unders in this and next years payments
I notice that Robbie said last night that he will be at WTs next year, so you'll probably be relieved at that news. I think it's great that we'l have such a good reserve grade team .
Maybe a premiership. Which of more than Taylor will see.

Nelson You've got to remember it's a profession, not a game,
Players will take more, or less, or longer, according to what their lifestyle, family or ambitions are,
Very few, if any , actually "love "The Club enough , to not put them and their family first( as it should be)
Clubs will have to learn that the contracts that they sign are not a shopping list that can be torn up when it suits and that they cannot force a player to move on unless that player wants to
 
@Alf Duguid said:
@trafford10 said:
@Alf Duguid said:
@trafford10 said:
Robbie is owed his contract. It's back ended because the club asked for those terms.

The management of the situation by Taylor is a disgrace.

Can you imagine clubs like Brisbane or Canterbury treating a club legend like this making him play out his last few games in reserve grade?

Further when those clubs decide to move players on it's done quietly and with respect.

Yes I can imagine Brisbane and Canterbury doing this. Remember Wally Lewis being moved on by Wayne Bennett?

Was Wally Lewis dropped to Queensland cup or whatever was reserves for Broncos at the time?

First they took the captaincy off Wally and gave it to his best mate Gene Miles. Then they moved him from five eighth to lock, and finally left him on the bench for their semi final win against Manly. He was eventually let go at the end of the season when his contract expired as Bennett wanted to keep younger talent

My point is though that Robbie Farah isn't the first and won't be the last "club legend" to be treated in this manner

Don't be too sure.
Times have changed and workplace legalisation covers most businesses
You can't bully people out of a job now. Well, you can .
But there can be expensive ramifications for that action. Let's say a player doesn't want to move from a club that he signed in good faith with.
His form is good, he's been judged, by the state as the best in his position in the State,
He's been told he's not wanted for first grade by a Coach who threatened him previously. And is forced to take a demotion, which he does
If his employer keeps pushing, he could quite possibly be successful in an unfair dismissal claim
Just an interesting hypothetical thought.
 
@goldcoast tiger said:
You can't bully people out of a job now. Well, you can .
But there can be expensive ramifications for that action. Let's say a player doesn't want to move from a club that he signed in good faith with.

I doubt that this is going to be raised anywhere as workplace bullying but I can see your point.

I reckon Robbie is copping it:-

1\. Unclear instructions. JT is all over the place. Robbie has been playing within himself and doing what he has been told. He still gets told it is wrong.
2\. Not being judged on his merits. He looks easily the best hooker in the club and yet he isn't picked.
3\. Being blamed for stuff that definitely isn't your fault. Robbie being blamed for Brooks and Moses form and even the team's form is obviously just made up fantasy tales.

My take is that it's obviously workplace bullying. If Robbie raises it he will cop it so he should just shut his mouth.

It is though really poor management from the club. I said recently that Robbie should just play the game as he sees it. If he listens to this sort of trollop that is being directed at him he is doing himself a disservice. This isn't about Robbie. It's about JT.
 
Funny that GCT why don't you create that poll and see if the State actually judges him the best in his position in the State. Being selected by one coach and selector doesn't necessarily mean that everyone in the State has agreed with it….
 
@Needaname said:
Funny that GCT why don't you create that poll and see if the State actually judges him the best in his position in the State. Being selected by one coach and selector doesn't necessarily mean that everyone in the State has agreed with it….

How did he perform at that level ?
 
Do you mean Robbie should just ignore the coach and attack at will. After all attacking and not defending is your mantra. Good thing your not his manager he would have been in reserve grade last year.
 

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