Why are the Rooster better?

[Papacito]

They had a training camp up here in Mullumbimby before the season started. Their training is INTENSE! Everything they do is at 100mph. They are focused for the entire period they are on the field. No mucking around. They get stuck into each other.
You would have sworn that Chrichton was from an opposing team the way they smashed him time and time again. It was incredible.

I'm pretty sure Tigers train that way - that is the Bellamy school of coaching, where you train at match-level intensity so you learn to make decisions and apply effort under realistic extreme conditions. And Madge being one of the first Bellyache acolytes.


It’s also why we maybe had a few niggling injuries to start the season?

They seem to have all come out of the Tamworth camp.

Blore (wrist), Mbye, (hammy) BJ (out of the trials) and Kepoa (knee heavily strapped) to be specific

Interesting observation.

James Graham talked about this on Face-to-Face this week - questioning whether the 'train as you play' approach might be outdated and unnecessarily contribute to injuries.

 

[AdelaideTiger]

Trent Robinson, bloke knows footy, and he always seems to know how the coming year will play out.

It’s pre Trent Robinson man . Phil Gould put the systems in place in the 90s , and every single person since then has just added to it , even brad Fittler .

The Roosters have had many a dark day since the 90s, Brad Fittler is arguably one of the worst ever head coaches in the NRL, he was on the back page of the paper every single day. I agree the Roosters have had good times prior to Robbo, and yes their organisation as a whole is very good (mostly because of cash allowing them to poach juniors from other Sydney clubs), but their current success is almost purely because of Robbo. I guess the thread question is vague.

Brad Fittler and Gould kick-started the Roosters revival. They were a very average club pre-Super League, but the arrival of News Ltd caused long-term disruptions amongst clubs and Roosters profited from having ARL-aligned stars leave their Super League clubs.

Pre-1996 Roosters missed the finals 8 straight years, not appearing since 1987. Phil Gould becomes head coach 1995, 1996 they pick up Fittler, Ivan Cleary, Matt Sing, run 4th. 1997 brings David Barnhill and Scott Gourlay, both Grand Finalists from St George, Brian Fletcher debuts, Jack Elsegood from Manly, they run 5th.

Phil Gould leaves in 1999 after 4 straight seasons in the Semis, next 5 seasons Graham Murray and Ricky Stuart get Roosters to 4 Grand Finals, 1 win. That's the making of the Roosters legacy, that then lets them attract and retain big business, big talent, even if they spend quite a few seasons outside the finals.

And above all of this, Nick Politis joined the Roosters board in 1993. The Super League war is his opportunity to make Roosters front-and-centre of the ARL counter-attack, with Gould and Fittler arguably the ARL's two highest profile figures to combat News Ltd.

You say Roosters had many dark days since the 90s, but they haven't been more than 5 seasons without playing a Grand Final. If that's dark, even with dog rooting and wooden spoons, I'll take it.

No doubting at all that Trent Robinson is a master coach who is primarily responsible for the current Roosters domination, but it all started back during Super League with Politis, Gould and Fittler.

I submit to your greater knowledge here, I was born in 1992 so I guess I'm speaking out of turn. I do sincerely appreciate the history lesson though and that actually explains why Gus is so revered, even today.
And don't get me wrong Fittler was a sensational player, but my point was he should never really be considered to coach again.
Again appreciate the correction, was speaking from a younger perspective, when I should have had the whole picture.
Lastly, I don't know if I would trade the dog rooting for a premiership, but I'm not paid to make those kinds of decisions.

 

[DGilly]

Without bashing the Tigers, what do you think makes the Roosters so good? They embarrassed the Tigers with no hooker, a Keary playing a new position, an ordinary 5/8 and a worse 5/8 on the bench. They also had a front rower kicking goals.

* For me it all comes down to speed and urgency
* They had 3 defenders in every tackle but never seemed to be short anywhere.
* No one in the NRL seems to be able to tackle Tedesco front on, he just bounces back and runs again
* They all compete on every play, no one is lazy

Better culture and systems too. Smarter players

Do you think that’s apart of thier process . Like others have stated , in the NFL , they do stress and IQ tests to evaluate this ? I can imagine it being that way , as not all thier players were the best of the best at junior level . So there’s something to be said about what attributes they value during the development phase .

Have to be some intelligence tests. If there isn't at WT we need some, I think it's a part of sport people overlook.
You can tell general intelligence by player interviews, Benji, Robbie and others are smart and well spoken and great players. Same with Cronk, Smith, Lockyer etc.
Do Brooks and other culprits who are awful in our team come off as intelligent to you?

 

[Needaname]

Can someone answer this.
Daine Laurie beats Tedesco in this frame and Collins comes from behind and wraps him up.
He holds on I would say an extra 3 seconds after his told to ‘MOVE’ one I was thinking a penalty. But is that a sin bin offence considering that Daine is actually in front of the whole Roosters side in that play?


 

[Needaname]

Can someone answer this.
Daine Laurie beats Tedesco in this frame and Collins comes from behind and wraps him up.
He holds on I would say an extra 3 seconds after his told to ‘MOVE’ one I was thinking a penalty. But is that a sin bin offence considering that Daine is actually in front of the whole Roosters side in that play?


How do I flip this?

 

[Muffstar]

Discipline.

 

[Needaname]

Discipline.

It’s not just that. Just like the raiders the Roosters read our play book. They moved us across the park in the first 10mins and wore us out.
Madge has us playing a very bunched or compressed defensive style. Roosters were on that from kick off.
It makes sense that we would try and defend that way, new team mates etc, tightening the defence is a good way to reduce line breaks etc. however it opened up way too much space on the wings and when the other side is quicker in its backline it was just going to end up with a white wash.
Does anyone think we play as compressed against the Knights and more importantly is a style we can persevere with?

 

[jirskyr]

Trent Robinson, bloke knows footy, and he always seems to know how the coming year will play out.

It’s pre Trent Robinson man . Phil Gould put the systems in place in the 90s , and every single person since then has just added to it , even brad Fittler .

The Roosters have had many a dark day since the 90s, Brad Fittler is arguably one of the worst ever head coaches in the NRL, he was on the back page of the paper every single day. I agree the Roosters have had good times prior to Robbo, and yes their organisation as a whole is very good (mostly because of cash allowing them to poach juniors from other Sydney clubs), but their current success is almost purely because of Robbo. I guess the thread question is vague.

Brad Fittler and Gould kick-started the Roosters revival. They were a very average club pre-Super League, but the arrival of News Ltd caused long-term disruptions amongst clubs and Roosters profited from having ARL-aligned stars leave their Super League clubs.

Pre-1996 Roosters missed the finals 8 straight years, not appearing since 1987. Phil Gould becomes head coach 1995, 1996 they pick up Fittler, Ivan Cleary, Matt Sing, run 4th. 1997 brings David Barnhill and Scott Gourlay, both Grand Finalists from St George, Brian Fletcher debuts, Jack Elsegood from Manly, they run 5th.

Phil Gould leaves in 1999 after 4 straight seasons in the Semis, next 5 seasons Graham Murray and Ricky Stuart get Roosters to 4 Grand Finals, 1 win. That's the making of the Roosters legacy, that then lets them attract and retain big business, big talent, even if they spend quite a few seasons outside the finals.

And above all of this, Nick Politis joined the Roosters board in 1993. The Super League war is his opportunity to make Roosters front-and-centre of the ARL counter-attack, with Gould and Fittler arguably the ARL's two highest profile figures to combat News Ltd.

You say Roosters had many dark days since the 90s, but they haven't been more than 5 seasons without playing a Grand Final. If that's dark, even with dog rooting and wooden spoons, I'll take it.

No doubting at all that Trent Robinson is a master coach who is primarily responsible for the current Roosters domination, but it all started back during Super League with Politis, Gould and Fittler.

I submit to your greater knowledge here, I was born in 1992 so I guess I'm speaking out of turn. I do sincerely appreciate the history lesson though and that actually explains why Gus is so revered, even today.
And don't get me wrong Fittler was a sensational player, but my point was he should never really be considered to coach again.
Again appreciate the correction, was speaking from a younger perspective, when I should have had the whole picture.
Lastly, I don't know if I would trade the dog rooting for a premiership, but I'm not paid to make those kinds of decisions.

I'm not at all saying you don't know what you are talking about - Trent Robinson is a master coach, and he came after a very lean trot of coaches for Roosters.

The thing with coaches is they never quite know if they'll work out until they give them a go, right? Trent Robinson is of the similar pedigree to Madge - average footballer, went to England and made a name for himself. He could well have come back to Wests Tigers given his playing links with the club - who knows?

But Super League, that changed the Roosters forever. I was born in 1980 so I was 15-17 during the Super League war, I remember Roosters changing from nobodies into heavy-hitters - several teams did really well out of being the pets of the two respective camps - e.g. Roosters / Manly within ARL, Broncos / Bulldogs with Super League.

Penrith never deserved for Fittler to leave but he was the ARL's #1 player and he started a winning dynasty at Roosters; hugely influential at club level as well as representative football.

As always, Balmain and Wests were barely considered during Super League - assumed to be ARL loyalists, News Ltd not specifically interested in taking them into Super League, most of their star players old or retired. The most recent glory years for both clubs, funnily enough with Warren Ryan as coach, were long-gone. And here we are, merged, with Roosters rich and doing what they please, with barely a member to their name despite the success. If you can believe - Wests Tigers 2021 AGAIN higher membership than Roosters despite all that success.

But I digress.

 

[mike]

Can someone answer this.
Daine Laurie beats Tedesco in this frame and Collins comes from behind and wraps him up.
He holds on I would say an extra 3 seconds after his told to ‘MOVE’ one I was thinking a penalty. But is that a sin bin offence considering that Daine is actually in front of the whole Roosters side in that play?


How do I flip this?

Stand on your head? Sorry ???????

 

[jirskyr]

Can someone answer this.
Daine Laurie beats Tedesco in this frame and Collins comes from behind and wraps him up.
He holds on I would say an extra 3 seconds after his told to ‘MOVE’ one I was thinking a penalty. But is that a sin bin offence considering that Daine is actually in front of the whole Roosters side in that play?


Yes I think so. Minimum 6-again, possible sin-bin for professional hold-down. Ref calls neither.

Nobody really came online to complain about it, because it's a bit rich to complain about the refs when you've just lost by 40, but still horrendous refereeing from a horrendous ref.

 

[the_third]

Can someone answer this.
Daine Laurie beats Tedesco in this frame and Collins comes from behind and wraps him up.
He holds on I would say an extra 3 seconds after his told to ‘MOVE’ one I was thinking a penalty. But is that a sin bin offence considering that Daine is actually in front of the whole Roosters side in that play?


didn't we get 2 set restart on the same tackle at one point. surely the second was a penalty

 

[Tiger5150]

Discipline.

It’s not just that. Just like the raiders the Roosters read our play book. They moved us across the park in the first 10mins and wore us out.
Madge has us playing a very bunched or compressed defensive style. Roosters were on that from kick off.
It makes sense that we would try and defend that way, new team mates etc, tightening the defence is a good way to reduce line breaks etc. however it opened up way too much space on the wings and when the other side is quicker in its backline it was just going to end up with a white wash.
Does anyone think we play as compressed against the Knights and more importantly is a style we can persevere with?

Completely disagree with your point about compressed defence. Roosters exploited the opposite. Keary drove their attack to a metre outside LL's left shoulder for the first 15mins, exploiting LL & BJ's poor lateral movement and they tore between LL & BJ. If they were exploiting a compressed defence they would have gone around. Morris tore up but he was always on the end after they had punched between LL & BJ.

 

[Needaname]

Discipline.

It’s not just that. Just like the raiders the Roosters read our play book. They moved us across the park in the first 10mins and wore us out.
Madge has us playing a very bunched or compressed defensive style. Roosters were on that from kick off.
It makes sense that we would try and defend that way, new team mates etc, tightening the defence is a good way to reduce line breaks etc. however it opened up way too much space on the wings and when the other side is quicker in its backline it was just going to end up with a white wash.
Does anyone think we play as compressed against the Knights and more importantly is a style we can persevere with?


Completely disagree with your point about compressed defence. Roosters exploited the opposite. Keary drove their attack to a metre outside LL's left shoulder for the first 15mins, exploiting LL & BJ's poor lateral movement and they tore between LL & BJ. If they were exploiting a compressed defence they would have gone around. Morris tore up but he was always on the end after they had punched between LL & BJ.

Interesting take on it.
To me the backline was under pressure because we gave that much space out wide.
LL defence was poor because he was continually sliding out there.
I noticed plenty of times in that game when LL was defending between the goal posts, which is a pretty good indication of a compressed defence.

 

[Tiger_Fanatic3]

Without bashing the Tigers, what do you think makes the Roosters so good? They embarrassed the Tigers with no hooker, a Keary playing a new position, an ordinary 5/8 and a worse 5/8 on the bench. They also had a front rower kicking goals.

* For me it all comes down to speed and urgency
* They had 3 defenders in every tackle but never seemed to be short anywhere.
* No one in the NRL seems to be able to tackle Tedesco front on, he just bounces back and runs again
* They all compete on every play, no one is lazy

All of the above. Triple the cap?

 

[TYGA]

It’s a thing called talent and the lack of effort happens when a team knows they can’t match their opponents. Ability breeds confidence.
Our roster and overall management has only really improved in the last 2 years. We are paying for 10-15 years of lack of investment in pathways, facilities, development etc.

 

[Red88_Tiger]

I know it was Penrith not roosters but last night I noticed the huth looked real lazy. All team mates around him looked very active especially off the ball. At one point there was a offload and everyone around him reacted straight away. He just stood flat footed at first receiver. They passed behind him and everyone else was primed to be involved but not the huth. Just walked forward very upright. He was ordinary in other areas but that really stuck out to me.
Many on here questioned letting him go but to me it was glaringly obvious last night the standard we have been putting up with

 

[Magpie1969]

It’s a thing called talent and the lack of effort happens when a team knows they can’t match their opponents. Ability breeds confidence.
Our roster and overall management has only really improved in the last 2 years. We are paying for 10-15 years of lack of investment in pathways, facilities, development etc.

What a great post. Winning is habit and losing is a habit.
Stability in the front office and coach play a big part.
A quality game manager half back is also key.

 

[Donny Brasco]

After watching that Hastings podcast that was linked here he mentioned how important it was that each player knew exactly where they need to be on the field at all times and sticking to that area.

 

[TigerPete 0]

Two points - desire to win and playing for each other.

 

[gallagher]

Trent Robinson, bloke knows footy, and he always seems to know how the coming year will play out.

It’s pre Trent Robinson man . Phil Gould put the systems in place in the 90s , and every single person since then has just added to it , even brad Fittler .

The Roosters have had many a dark day since the 90s, Brad Fittler is arguably one of the worst ever head coaches in the NRL, he was on the back page of the paper every single day. I agree the Roosters have had good times prior to Robbo, and yes their organisation as a whole is very good (mostly because of cash allowing them to poach juniors from other Sydney clubs), but their current success is almost purely because of Robbo. I guess the thread question is vague.

Brad Fittler and Gould kick-started the Roosters revival. They were a very average club pre-Super League, but the arrival of News Ltd caused long-term disruptions amongst clubs and Roosters profited from having ARL-aligned stars leave their Super League clubs.

Pre-1996 Roosters missed the finals 8 straight years, not appearing since 1987. Phil Gould becomes head coach 1995, 1996 they pick up Fittler, Ivan Cleary, Matt Sing, run 4th. 1997 brings David Barnhill and Scott Gourlay, both Grand Finalists from St George, Brian Fletcher debuts, Jack Elsegood from Manly, they run 5th.

Phil Gould leaves in 1999 after 4 straight seasons in the Semis, next 5 seasons Graham Murray and Ricky Stuart get Roosters to 4 Grand Finals, 1 win. That's the making of the Roosters legacy, that then lets them attract and retain big business, big talent, even if they spend quite a few seasons outside the finals.

And above all of this, Nick Politis joined the Roosters board in 1993. The Super League war is his opportunity to make Roosters front-and-centre of the ARL counter-attack, with Gould and Fittler arguably the ARL's two highest profile figures to combat News Ltd.

You say Roosters had many dark days since the 90s, but they haven't been more than 5 seasons without playing a Grand Final. If that's dark, even with dog rooting and wooden spoons, I'll take it.

No doubting at all that Trent Robinson is a master coach who is primarily responsible for the current Roosters domination, but it all started back during Super League with Politis, Gould and Fittler.

I submit to your greater knowledge here, I was born in 1992 so I guess I'm speaking out of turn. I do sincerely appreciate the history lesson though and that actually explains why Gus is so revered, even today.
And don't get me wrong Fittler was a sensational player, but my point was he should never really be considered to coach again.
Again appreciate the correction, was speaking from a younger perspective, when I should have had the whole picture.
Lastly, I don't know if I would trade the dog rooting for a premiership, but I'm not paid to make those kinds of decisions.

I'm not at all saying you don't know what you are talking about - Trent Robinson is a master coach, and he came after a very lean trot of coaches for Roosters.

The thing with coaches is they never quite know if they'll work out until they give them a go, right? Trent Robinson is of the similar pedigree to Madge - average footballer, went to England and made a name for himself. He could well have come back to Wests Tigers given his playing links with the club - who knows?

But Super League, that changed the Roosters forever. I was born in 1980 so I was 15-17 during the Super League war, I remember Roosters changing from nobodies into heavy-hitters - several teams did really well out of being the pets of the two respective camps - e.g. Roosters / Manly within ARL, Broncos / Bulldogs with Super League.

Penrith never deserved for Fittler to leave but he was the ARL's #1 player and he started a winning dynasty at Roosters; hugely influential at club level as well as representative football.

As always, Balmain and Wests were barely considered during Super League - assumed to be ARL loyalists, News Ltd not specifically interested in taking them into Super League, most of their star players old or retired. The most recent glory years for both clubs, funnily enough with Warren Ryan as coach, were long-gone. And here we are, merged, with Roosters rich and doing what they please, with barely a member to their name despite the success. If you can believe - Wests Tigers 2021 AGAIN higher membership than Roosters despite all that success.

But I digress.

But the chooks averaged bigger crowds than us in 2019. I didn't bother to check last year. Them getting no crowds is a fallacy.

Them, south's and Melbourne are clubs we should learn off and aspire to be. Mocking those clubs only makes us feel better but does nothing else.