Why I hate the McIntyre finals system

Last I checked Innk…the WestsSFS is a home ground of the Wests Tigers ie we play home games there...

How quickly people forget the SEMI against the dragons...

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@Geo. said:
Last I checked the WestsSFS is a home ground of the Wests Tigers ie we play home games there…

How quickly people forget the SEMI against the dragons...

Perhaps watch this....

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You know the diff between a real girlfriend, and going to pay for it? :unamused:
Its no _home_ and you know that
 
in has more flaws then positives.. out of sydney teams get real home games.. 1st and 2nd can win and not get a 2nd chance… 6th place can get smahsed and get a 2nd chacne.. and games 1 and 2 can mean NOTHING at all if 7 and 8 both lose
 
The system is crap but that's what we are stuck in at the moment, should have used the system to our advantage and won last night. Both are now out of the club's control must look ahead positively for next saturday night.
 
There is a reason the AFL stopped using the McIntye system in 1999\. Looks like the NRL are about 15 years behind the AFL. It's sad to see NRL players leave for the AFL. 10 years ago that would have been unimaginable.
 
You guys have to get over it… you whinge about every little thing that doesnt seem ok. They've picked SFS to accomodate more fans so get over it, besides, we'll outnumber them 4-1\. Soo stop sooking, because it doesn't matter where we verse them i believe we can smack anyteam at any ground. BRING ON SATURDAYY
 
The NRL have used the MS since 1999\. In the previous eleven seasons the team finishing 3rd has NEVER been eliminated in week one. The highest placed team to ever be eliminated in week one was 4th (Dragons '04, Manly '09).
 
@Jazza said:
I prefer the AFL system.

You control your own destiny, if you win, you survive or get a week off, if you lose you get punished by having to play the next week of get eliminated.

With the NRL system, if results go the way as expected, then all that happens for week 2 is the matchups get swapped around.

Look at 05, 1st (Parra) and 2nd (St George) won in the first week, so straight away 8th (Manly) and 7th (Cronulla) were eliminated. That meant that, despite 4th (WT) and 6th (Melbourne) winning their finals matches and 5th (Nth Qld) and 3rd (Brisbane) losing, those 4 teams still played the next week with the Tigers _reward_ being a semi against 3rd, meanwhile the team that lost by 50 plays the team that finished 6th.

Its stupid.
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A very clear analysis, agree 100%. Always have, always will.
 
@TigersFan4Life said:
The NRL have used the MS since 1999\. In the previous eleven seasons the team finishing 3rd has NEVER been eliminated in week one. The highest placed team to ever be eliminated in week one was 4th **(Dragons '04, Manly '09).**
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Both ran 5th, Dragons lost to Penrith at CUA, Manly lost to Melbourne in Melbourne.

The system really is irrelevant, you have to beat the best anyway, does it really matter what order you play them in?

We ran 3rd, what's a bigger advantage? a home semi against 6th, or an away semi against 2?
 
why does everyone seem to think we will outnumber rooster supporters 4 to 1 - i reckon 50/50 will be closer to the mark - they will come out of the woodwork for a home semi.
 
@TigersFan4Life said:
The NRL have used the MS since 1999\. In the previous eleven seasons the team finishing 3rd has NEVER been eliminated in week one. The highest placed team to ever be eliminated in week one was 4th (Dragons '04, Manly '09).
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Not to long ago we were saying that 8th will never beat 1st, and it's now happened 2 years in a row.

These kind of stats are kind of pointless. Safe to say, though, that we'd have to be extremely unlucky if we were kicked out from 3rd. Both Manly and the Dragons were already unlucky for being kicked out from 5th.

I think it shows the quality of the comp this year that we are even concerned about this.
 
@Golden said:
@alien said:
@Golden said:
1st and 2nd can win and not get a 2nd chance…

Nor should they because they go straight to Week 3.

A 6th place team can go to week 2 without even having to win too
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Its no automatic progression to week three though, like it is for one & two shold they win…cant you see the advantage there?
 
Not a fan of any playoff system tbh.

After 26 rounds, we know who the best team is and we know who the worst team is. and we know all the teams that are inbetween.

The only logic I can see in applying any playoff system is if not all teams play each other twice.
 
@Paris Cobbs said:
@Jazza said:
I prefer the AFL system.

You control your own destiny, if you win, you survive or get a week off, if you lose you get punished by having to play the next week of get eliminated.

With the NRL system, if results go the way as expected, then all that happens for week 2 is the matchups get swapped around.

Look at 05, 1st (Parra) and 2nd (St George) won in the first week, so straight away 8th (Manly) and 7th (Cronulla) were eliminated. That meant that, despite 4th (WT) and 6th (Melbourne) winning their finals matches and 5th (Nth Qld) and 3rd (Brisbane) losing, those 4 teams still played the next week with the Tigers _reward_ being a semi against 3rd, meanwhile the team that lost by 50 plays the team that finished 6th.

Its stupid.

A very clear analysis, agree 100%. Always have, always will.
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You are correct that the flaw in our system is the often artificial cross-over games when 1 and 2 win in week one. However this is partially balanced by the home final for the lower winners who progress to week two.

The other flaw in the NRL system is the uncertainty of results until all matches are complete.

But the AFL system also has some major flaws that I don't think we consider as deeply because we've never ridden a finals series in that format before. The primary flaw is inequality for the placings next to each other - 1 gets almost no advantage over 2, but 4 and 5 are miles apart in advantage. Same that 5 and 6 are essentially in the same boat.
Imagine if Tigers came 5th and Roosters 8th - we would get absolutely no advantage because we get a home final that the Roosters share, and both are in elimination!

You may also recall that we essentially used the AFL system in 1995-6 but then abandoned it at Super League.

In reality, although 1 vs 8 sometimes seems a foregone conclusion, that is exactly what you should expect. 1 should play the lowest ranked team.

My personal opinion is that the Top 5 system is the fairest way to crown a champion in 4 weeks, but they will never reduce the comp down to 5 finalists again.
 
This weekend's games if we were using the AFL finals system:

Dragons v Titans @ Kogarah
Panthers v Tigers @ CUA

Warriors v Sea Eagles @ Mt Smart
Roosters v Raiders @ SFS

So we would've been playing @ CUA where we've won 3 of the 11 games we've played there. However, if we'd lost we'd host a home semi @ SFS against the Roosters (assuming they beat the Raiders) in Week 2!
See, we have always been destined to play the Roosters in a finals game at the SFS :smiley:

I think both systems have their pros and cons.

The AFL system (which the NRL used in 95 & 96 but without the use of "home" finals) provides the certainty of each team mapping its own destiny and knowing exactly what the implications are for each game in Week 1\. However, the 1 v 4 and 2 v 3 games may lack a little intensity, given that all four teams know that they will host a home semi in Week 2, even if they lose.

The McIntyre System ensures that all 8 teams in Week 1 are pretty keen to win (even 1 & 2, since losing to 7 or 8 is not exactly great form for a potential premiership winner), leading to higher-intensity games. The intrigue of not knowing who gets knocked out until the result of the 1 v 8 game is also pretty exciting.
The system's main flaw is with the games that result after Week 1\. i.e. there'll either just be some "partner swapping" or one team will be "rewarded" for winning by playing a higher-ranked team that will be all fired-up after unexpectedly losing their first final.

I personally have a slight preference for the AFL system. Although that may be because it more closely resembles finals systems that I grew up with and played under….

Looking forward to potentially ending the Roosters season this Saturday night; Go the Raiders! :laughing:
 
To me this is the flaw in the McIntyre system:

Week 2
- 1st Semi Final: 4th highest ranked winner vs 2nd highest ranked loser
- 2nd Semi Final: 3rd highest ranked winner vs 1st highest ranked loser

The higher ranked winner plays a higher ranked loser while the lower ranked winner plays the lower ranked loser.
Basically, if you make it to the 2nd week and you're not playing interstate, you're better off losing in the first week of finals rather then winning.

If results go this week according to the positioning of the teams, then in the 2nd week, we would have this:

Week 2

Gold Coast (4th highest ranked winner) vs Roosters (2nd Highest ranked loser)
Wests Tigers (3rd highest ranked winner) vs Warriors (Highest ranked loser)

Now those games involve teams outside NSW so there is home ground advantages/disadvantages, however if those 4 games were played by Sydney teams, which is very likely in the future, then there is no advantage for the teams that won in the first week of finals at all, only disadvantages.
 
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