Why will we improve in 2016?

[Tiger_In_The_Gong]

Bit hard to improve with our roster tbh, although, we've shown against the Storm, Bunnies and Dogs we are capable….........just not consistent at all

At least the S & C are light years ahead of where we were

Agree with comments about Potter, he was shafted

Tigerdave,you are right about the roster and Potter,the other valid point you make is the wins against some very strong teams,they were great wins,however you have hit the nail on the head when you mentioned "consistency",that is what the top teams have all year round and what you need to be competitive in the NRL today..
The WTs at this point in time show just how inconsistent they are,fantastic one game and woefull the next 4/5 ….In my opinion it boils down to immaturity,inexperience and the lack of understanding the structures needed to play solid 80 minute games at this level..this is why we need a couple of seasoned reliable NRL hardheads to lead by example,but then we have no money to purchase them....Taylor is not to blame for all the bad in this team at the moment...he can only work with what he has got...and that's not much...I will judge him after mid 2016 before I ask for his head,he certainly has been afforded much more than Potter was..

The only thing that will ease the pain for me is, if this team works really hard during the offseason and have learned how tough the NRL is and benefit from the learning curve 2015 has been,and show good improvement right throughout their game,then I will hang in there for awhile...I Just can't stomache performances like the Sharks game anymore...... :frowning:

Are you trying to convince yourself or us TT :slight_smile: .

You hope the players learn how tough the NRL is and work hard in the off season. Im sorry but there is talent in this squad, there are Origin players, there are Internationals, you may make them out to be poor backward reserve graders who are new to big city and dont know how things work. Its just not the case, they know. And as for working hard in the off season well good, thats what they get paid for.

Its going to take a lot more than trying harder and being more aware of how tough the comp is to turn this around.

I think you and i both know next year wont be any different. Good for you for remaining positive and optimistic though, ive tried but i cant find it in me.

 

[cqtiger]

Just finished listening to the Chooks beat the Broncos. Amazing game. Not a Chooks admirer by any means but you had to admire their sheer courage toughing it out for almost three quarters of the game with a 2 man bench, later reduced to 1, against a very good well coached footy team. We are light years from that standard and given our problems, I'm not sure we can close that gap even a little any time soon

Yep, said the same thing last week when we lost Woods and Halatau. We don't have the backbone to be a good team. Every single time that something goes against us, we fold.

A team of glass hearts

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[TigerLife]

Let's face it…

mediocre signing for 2016 means that what we have running around in first grade is the best team we have...and the signing we did make, won't even get a chance to play because Taylor doesn't like dropping players... his always satisfied with the current team's effort.

As a wests tigers member and resilient fan... I've found it hard to stomach that 3 finals appearances in 16 years is good enough. When u can compare to the bulldogs that if they make the grand final this year, it will be their 3rd grand final appearance in 4 years!

What is the goal of the hierarchy at the tigers for the years to come. Are we ever going to be a NRL powerhouse?

at the rate we're going we are going to be the favourites for the spoon for the next 3 or 4 year to come..

Every year our goal is to make the top 8, and by the half way mark of the season im already misrably disappointed with the team's position and know that avoiding the wooden spoon is our goal. I'm afraid that 2016 is going to feel like de ja vu all over again

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[liltiger]

Simple answer, we won't.

Robbie Farah, the man who led the Wests Tigers around the park for almost a decade now will not be improving with age, this season has shown that he is on the decline and has barely been able to string a handful of games together, you can't question his passion and commitment but his time is almost up and with a slow dummy half won't be doing your team any favours.

James Tedesco, at career best form, possibly the best form of any fullback in the game, James Tedesco can't lift us from the bottom of the table, he needs his side to lift in order to reach higher heights and unfortunately the side is full of plodders.

Brooks and Moses, Moses is in great form, plays with his heart, i love watching this kid play, been on the incline as of late and you can not question his improvement, he is going to be something special. Brooks on the other hand, has not improved at all this season, apart from his intercept today, i didn't really see anything special in him, last season he and James Tedesco seemed to have a great combination forming, it has disappeared this season. Don't get me wrong, i love the kid but he hasn't hit any form yet, i hope he does very soon as i do not want to see him dropped.

The forward pack, absolutely rubbish, apart from Martin Taupau they are all plodders, Ava has a few good games here and there, Woodsy has been poor post origin and the rest wouldn't make a first grade side anywhere else.

The wingers, we only have one for 2016 and he is a weapon when in form, defence is 20's standard though.

The centres, was our weakest position at the beginning of the year but it is arguably our strongest position now if both can keep healthy, Naiqama and Simona are the way to go.

The bench, usually the position that provides the side with impact, last season we had the best bench in the game..Gavet, Ava, Taupau and Sue. This season, the bench provides no go forward and will only weaken with the departure of Keith Galloway requiring Jesse Sue to start at prop.

No additions to the roster.

Do we really see the Tigers finishing any higher than 14th next season? In my opinion i don't, we are currently in the Eels era where they had a superstar fullback and nothing more.

Agree with this.

Potter was a better coach we are losing experience and depth no worthwhile additions and we could be in for a tough year.

Sadly the halves are promising but not what will help club now.
And your right about Woods a great player but tapers off towards end of seasons.

Needed to buy quality half and centre for next year at least.

If Potter was able to choose his own Strengthening and Conditioning staff, i assure you we would not be in this position. Brooks would be known as a Superstar of the game.

I agree with you milky , Potter was sold very short IMO and to be honest what was the real reason Potter got shafted ,was he actually on to something within the player ranks and my view on Potter and the youth in the club was I saw some real promise there… But that is now water under the bridge .The improvement next season will come when Taylor is shown the door and mark my words this will HAPPEN!

The real reason all the drama started with robbie last year toward potter was because if you remember in 2013 there was rumor robbie wanted to leave and go to brisbane. Potter sat down and told the board to let him go because he is aging and wasn't currently worth what he was being paid. Potter wasn't willing to bend backward to keep him and robbie had a sook about it.

 

[stevetiger]

Im sorry but there is talent in this squad, there are Origin players, there are Internationals

The coaching staff are the worst in the competition. We need to be honest about this now.

We also have internationals/SOO players who aren't performing. Roobie and Woods simply aren't having a positive impact out there. Then we have players like Nofo who have amazing talent but do so many things wrong.

I think Tedesco, Moses and Brooks are players that can win games for us if the rest of the team steps up and we have a coaching team that can put out a decent game plan consistently.

 

[bigsiro]

If Farah can convince Martin to stay like he did with Tedesco then…...

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[Tiger_In_The_Gong]

Im sorry but there is talent in this squad, there are Origin players, there are Internationals

The coaching staff are the worst in the competition. We need to be honest about this now.

We also have internationals/SOO players who aren't performing. Roobie and Woods simply aren't having a positive impact out there. Then we have players like Nofo who have amazing talent but do so many things wrong.

I think Tedesco, Moses and Brooks are players that can win games for us if the rest of the team steps up and we have a coaching team that can put out a decent game plan consistently.

Was talking to someone yesterday about the difference in our game v the Sharks compared to the Roosters v Broncos.

It comes down to culture and coaching.

Individually Farah, Woods, Tedesco, Lawrence, Sue, Sirro, Simona, Nofo, and Taupau would all find a spot in any top squad. Moses would go close as a bench player.
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We have the players to win football games, unfortunately as a group they are under performing.

 

[Russell]

Negative, Negative, Negative

Why would we be no better?
These young blokes have now played a full season of NRL, Moses, Brooks, Teddy, Lovett, Kevy - don't think Siro has yet. They now know, what it is like to be a stayer not a sprinter and hopefully will work harder in the off season to put on a bit more conditioned meat, strength and mental attitude to get through a full season in 2016.

We have blooded a real good dummy half in Cherrington - who would not be out of place in most games in 2016 ( Farah could be switched to lock) - his defence up the centre is superb, experienced and close to Cherro for advice.

Combinations have improved (slowly), Would start Chee Kam in the centre with Kev, Simona on left wing and Nofo (strict orders not to leave his winger or you're out) on the right. If he can't do that Deloise in.

Moses to run the show and Brooks to take on the line with runners at hand. Both to work on an improved kicking game.

Forwards - now that needs fixing, in respect of attitude and aggression - I think we can do that, we have the players. Woods, Sue, Marty, Ave, Lawrence, Siro, Farah, Lovett (with a lot of off season work) - not sure if others are signed, Halatau, Santi and Buchanan. Attitude and aggression need to be increased.

Having said all that - I think the line defence has improved but overall defence needs to also be improved.

Lastly, it does need to be instilled in this team not to give away cheap penalties and to arrange the structure so it does not matter if the other team has quick play the balls. Too many times we get caught with no markers, and when we hold down, we get penalised.

2016 should see a big improvement imo with hard work in the off season and a more experienced side to tackle the opposition.

Positive, Positive, Positive.

Go! you Mighty Tigers.

 

[stevetiger]

I do agree with Russell that with we can improve with some modifications and some work. I'm really not sure though that Taylor is the man to do that. I think we have obviously under-performed this year and a lot of that has to do with JT.

I don't know how anyone can have confidence whilst he is the head coach.

 

[Russell]

I do agree with Russell that with we can improve with some modifications and some work. I'm really not sure though that Taylor is the man to do that. I think we have obviously under-performed this year and a lot of that has to do with JT.

I don't know how anyone can have confidence whilst he is the head coach.

Steve - JT is not the problem imo.

I accept he has made a few errors and I am sure he would admit to that as well in hindsight.
People on here have said he has been given a lot more latitude than Potter (I was a great fan of Potter) but I don't think that is correct.

Most of the changes occurred off the field - JT may have been allowed to buy players, but he couldn't as there was nothing in the bikky tin. All he has been able to do was be allowed to say yes to get rid of experienced players to reduce salary cap pressure. Basically he was then left with a bunch of youngsters with little or no experience.

You can't put old heads on young shoulders, a couple of problem areas he was not allowed to plug has given grief in games - i.e. centre and second row etc.

So, I don't think he has been given any more latitude than Potter in reality. Give him a plus for S and C solution and a minus for Kidwell, Reddy and other hangers on.

Think we need a really good defence coach and a good halves coach (AJ if possible) - don't need anyone else.

 

[851]

Negative, Negative, Negative

Why would we be no better?
These young blokes have now played a full season of NRL, Moses, Brooks, Teddy, Lovett, Kevy - don't think Siro has yet. They now know, what it is like to be a stayer not a sprinter and hopefully will work harder in the off season to put on a bit more conditioned meat, strength and mental attitude to get through a full season in 2016.

We have blooded a real good dummy half in Cherrington - who would not be out of place in most games in 2016 ( Farah could be switched to lock) - his defence up the centre is superb, experienced and close to Cherro for advice.

Combinations have improved (slowly), Would start Chee Kam in the centre with Kev, Simona on left wing and Nofo (strict orders not to leave his winger or you're out) on the right. If he can't do that Deloise in.

Moses to run the show and Brooks to take on the line with runners at hand. Both to work on an improved kicking game.

Forwards - now that needs fixing, in respect of attitude and aggression - I think we can do that, we have the players. Woods, Sue, Marty, Ave, Lawrence, Siro, Farah, Lovett (with a lot of off season work) - not sure if others are signed, Halatau, Santi and Buchanan. Attitude and aggression need to be increased.

Having said all that - I think the line defence has improved but overall defence needs to also be improved.

Lastly, it does need to be instilled in this team not to give away cheap penalties and to arrange the structure so it does not matter if the other team has quick play the balls. Too many times we get caught with no markers, and when we hold down, we get penalised.

2016 should see a big improvement imo with hard work in the off season and a more experienced side to tackle the opposition.

Positive, Positive, Positive.

Go! you Mighty Tigers.

I agree about MCK in the centres, but Simona is progressing well in the centres now and Kev is not an NRL centre, or winger for that matter.

 

[Flippedy]

Negative, Negative, Negative

Why would we be no better?
These young blokes have now played a full season of NRL, Moses, Brooks, Teddy, Lovett, Kevy - don't think Siro has yet. They now know, what it is like to be a stayer not a sprinter and hopefully will work harder in the off season to put on a bit more conditioned meat, strength and mental attitude to get through a full season in 2016.

We have blooded a real good dummy half in Cherrington - who would not be out of place in most games in 2016 ( Farah could be switched to lock) - his defence up the centre is superb, experienced and close to Cherro for advice.

Combinations have improved (slowly), Would start Chee Kam in the centre with Kev, Simona on left wing and Nofo (strict orders not to leave his winger or you're out) on the right. If he can't do that Deloise in.

Moses to run the show and Brooks to take on the line with runners at hand. Both to work on an improved kicking game.

Forwards - now that needs fixing, in respect of attitude and aggression - I think we can do that, we have the players. Woods, Sue, Marty, Ave, Lawrence, Siro, Farah, Lovett (with a lot of off season work) - not sure if others are signed, Halatau, Santi and Buchanan. Attitude and aggression need to be increased.

Having said all that - I think the line defence has improved but overall defence needs to also be improved.

Lastly, it does need to be instilled in this team not to give away cheap penalties and to arrange the structure so it does not matter if the other team has quick play the balls. Too many times we get caught with no markers, and when we hold down, we get penalised.

2016 should see a big improvement imo with hard work in the off season and a more experienced side to tackle the opposition.

Positive, Positive, Positive.

Go! you Mighty Tigers.

I agree about MCK in the centres, but Simona is progressing well in the centres now and Kev is not an NRL centre, or winger for that matter.

I know Kev makes some mistakes 851, but he has done some great things for us this season. He is young and I would still like to find a place for him somewhere in the team. Chee Kam is also a backrower and God knows we need some spark there, especially if Lawrence ends up leaving. I'd imagine he would be a handful on the edges of the ruck.

Great post by the way, Russell. I like the idea of Farah at lock, if he stays, especially to guide young Cherrington around, who I think will absolutely kill it as a No 9 in the future.

 

[cqtiger]

Negative, Negative, Negative

Why would we be no better?
These young blokes have now played a full season of NRL, Moses, Brooks, Teddy, Lovett, Kevy - don't think Siro has yet. They now know, what it is like to be a stayer not a sprinter and hopefully will work harder in the off season to put on a bit more conditioned meat, strength and mental attitude to get through a full season in 2016.

We have blooded a real good dummy half in Cherrington - who would not be out of place in most games in 2016 ( Farah could be switched to lock) - his defence up the centre is superb, experienced and close to Cherro for advice.

Combinations have improved (slowly), Would start Chee Kam in the centre with Kev, Simona on left wing and Nofo (strict orders not to leave his winger or you're out) on the right. If he can't do that Deloise in.

Moses to run the show and Brooks to take on the line with runners at hand. Both to work on an improved kicking game.

Forwards - now that needs fixing, in respect of attitude and aggression - I think we can do that, we have the players. Woods, Sue, Marty, Ave, Lawrence, Siro, Farah, Lovett (with a lot of off season work) - not sure if others are signed, Halatau, Santi and Buchanan. Attitude and aggression need to be increased.

Having said all that - I think the line defence has improved but overall defence needs to also be improved.

Lastly, it does need to be instilled in this team not to give away cheap penalties and to arrange the structure so it does not matter if the other team has quick play the balls. Too many times we get caught with no markers, and when we hold down, we get penalised.

2016 should see a big improvement imo with hard work in the off season and a more experienced side to tackle the opposition.

Positive, Positive, Positive.

Go! you Mighty Tigers.

Sadly, you are forgetting that EVERY other NRL team have improved their roster for next year. Ours is going to be worse.

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[Russell]

Negative, Negative, Negative

Why would we be no better?
These young blokes have now played a full season of NRL, Moses, Brooks, Teddy, Lovett, Kevy - don't think Siro has yet. They now know, what it is like to be a stayer not a sprinter and hopefully will work harder in the off season to put on a bit more conditioned meat, strength and mental attitude to get through a full season in 2016.

We have blooded a real good dummy half in Cherrington - who would not be out of place in most games in 2016 ( Farah could be switched to lock) - his defence up the centre is superb, experienced and close to Cherro for advice.

Combinations have improved (slowly), Would start Chee Kam in the centre with Kev, Simona on left wing and Nofo (strict orders not to leave his winger or you're out) on the right. If he can't do that Deloise in.

Moses to run the show and Brooks to take on the line with runners at hand. Both to work on an improved kicking game.

Forwards - now that needs fixing, in respect of attitude and aggression - I think we can do that, we have the players. Woods, Sue, Marty, Ave, Lawrence, Siro, Farah, Lovett (with a lot of off season work) - not sure if others are signed, Halatau, Santi and Buchanan. Attitude and aggression need to be increased.

Having said all that - I think the line defence has improved but overall defence needs to also be improved.

Lastly, it does need to be instilled in this team not to give away cheap penalties and to arrange the structure so it does not matter if the other team has quick play the balls. Too many times we get caught with no markers, and when we hold down, we get penalised.

2016 should see a big improvement imo with hard work in the off season and a more experienced side to tackle the opposition.

Positive, Positive, Positive.

Go! you Mighty Tigers.

Sadly, you are forgetting that EVERY other NRL team have improved their roster for next year. Ours is going to be worse.

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Agree with you cq that most other teams will improve - also remembering that x amount will not.

I think we have more improvement in us than most teams. I see Canberra and Penrith being big improvers as well.

Whether the improvement in us is enough to make the eight ( who knows) but I think we will improve quite a lot, concentrate for most of the 80 minutes, be a lot more consistent (a lot less rocks and diamonds) and consequently win more games.

I think that is all us supporters can ask for with the roster that we will have.

 

[Tiger_Tim]

1\. Tedesco - He will continue to dominate. It would be hard for him to be better than this year but i wouldn't put it past him.
2\. Nofoaluma- He is a winger. Leave him there and he will dominate.
3\. Chee Kam- We need a big body in the centres with an offload. Moving Simona to the wing will allow for more speed with Richards gone.
3\. Naiqama- His combo with Nofo is growing. He hits hard in defence and his reads are getting better.
5\. Simona- His speed will be a big plus. Having him and chee kam on one side should soldify our edge defence.
6\. Moses- Starting this season i saw him playing second fiddle to Brooks but hasn't that changed. I'm not comparing them to Thurston and Gordon but i can see the playing similar roles. Moses being dominant and Brooks being his foil. I hope he takes over the goal kicking and doesn't put the ball out on the full from kick offs.
7\. I'd like to see him improve his kicking and run a bit more. A lot is made of his defence but i think it is improving and should be better next year.
8\. Woods- He has struggled since origin but he has played a lot this year. It won't be any easier next year and in fact could be harder with him playing longer minutes. Still he is our best front rower but i'd like to see him tackle a bit harder.
9\. Farah- He is declining with age. Still is the best option we have but reduced minutes or maybe having him and Cherrington on at the same time with Farah playing lock might be an option.
10\. Sue - An off season with him knowing his position will help him. We don't need him training to be the wide running forward but the pig who takes it up and smashes in defence.
11\. Lawrence- now he is a second rower he is displaying the form we were hoping for. The same as Sue, get him training like a second rower and he will be Luke Lewis mark II.
12\. Sironen - Get him to watch some videos of Gareth Ellis. He runs good straight lines but if he cam at an angle with his size he could be anything.
13\. Taupau- More of the same less the suspensions.
Reserves
14.Ava- Started slow this season but grew a leg mid season when Woods and Farah were out for origin. He needs to play like that every week.
15.Liolevave- A year playing against men in the NSW cup will have developed him greatly. Running off Moses and Brooks will improve his game and the tigers.
16\. Halatau- Gives his all and experience is a plus. Will inspire the young forwards again.
17\. Cherrington- Had some great games and some ordinary games this year but will be better for it. Will be ready to take over the reigns in 2017 from farah.

I'd like to add Charlie Grubb to this list in place of Halatau but we will see if we have 2 cents to rub together. No place for Santi, Buchanan or Lovett but i'm sure they will all get a chance due to injuries.

After a dissapointing year i'd like to see them start training early november and work on combinations. A lot of times in defence the backs weren't on the same page so lets see them get this down pat. Yes they will be better, not top 4, not top 6 but between 7-10\. I think we need to be realistic we don't have the squad of the Broncos or Roosters who are star studded but we will be better.

 

[Snake]

I do agree with Russell that with we can improve with some modifications and some work. I'm really not sure though that Taylor is the man to do that. I think we have obviously under-performed this year and a lot of that has to do with JT.

I don't know how anyone can have confidence whilst he is the head coach.

Steve - JT is not the problem imo.

I accept he has made a few errors and I am sure he would admit to that as well in hindsight.
People on here have said he has been given a lot more latitude than Potter (I was a great fan of Potter) but I don't think that is correct.

Most of the changes occurred off the field - JT may have been allowed to buy players, but he couldn't as there was nothing in the bikky tin. All he has been able to do was be allowed to say yes to get rid of experienced players to reduce salary cap pressure. Basically he was then left with a bunch of youngsters with little or no experience.

You can't put old heads on young shoulders, a couple of problem areas he was not allowed to plug has given grief in games - i.e. centre and second row etc.

So, I don't think he has been given any more latitude than Potter in reality. Give him a plus for S and C solution and a minus for Kidwell, Reddy and other hangers on.

Think we need a really good defence coach and a good halves coach (AJ if possible) - don't need anyone else.

Did you happen to see Taylor walking around yesterday at half time talking to himself with no one listening ,sorry your comments are ridiculous ..the players by there actions alone have made it quite obvious that Taylor is on borrowed time . This team is the worst coached team in the NRL the hype around the talent of youth the club has Is also questionable ,time for some reality Taylor has had this team for just on 12 months can you honestly state that there is anything to be positive about moving forward, time to put blame where it belongs and that is the coach!

 

[Geo]

Did you happen to see Taylor walking around yesterday at half time talking to himself with no one listening ,sorry your comments are ridiculous ..the players by there actions alone have made it quite obvious that Taylor is on borrowed time . This team is the worst coached team in the NRL the hype around the talent of youth the club has Is also questionable ,time for some reality Taylor has had this team for just on 12 months can you honestly state that there is anything to be positive about moving forward, time to put blame where it belongs and that is the coach!

Sheens / Players

Potter / Players

Taylor / Players

I think I'm starting tp see a common theme here….you say the players aren't listening to the coach,,,,interesting...

 

[hobbo]

Did you happen to see Taylor walking around yesterday at half time talking to himself with no one listening ,sorry your comments are ridiculous ..the players by there actions alone have made it quite obvious that Taylor is on borrowed time . This team is the worst coached team in the NRL the hype around the talent of youth the club has Is also questionable ,time for some reality Taylor has had this team for just on 12 months can you honestly state that there is anything to be positive about moving forward, time to put blame where it belongs and that is the coach!

Sheens / Players

Potter / Players

Taylor / Players

I think I'm starting tp see a common theme here….you say the players aren't listening to the coach,,,,interesting...

Sheens /player

Potter/ player

Taylor /players

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[Milky]

Did you happen to see Taylor walking around yesterday at half time talking to himself with no one listening ,sorry your comments are ridiculous ..the players by there actions alone have made it quite obvious that Taylor is on borrowed time . This team is the worst coached team in the NRL the hype around the talent of youth the club has Is also questionable ,time for some reality Taylor has had this team for just on 12 months can you honestly state that there is anything to be positive about moving forward, time to put blame where it belongs and that is the coach!

Sheens / Players

Potter / Players

Taylor / Players

I think I'm starting tp see a common theme here….you say the players aren't listening to the coach,,,,interesting...

Sheens /player

Potter/ player

Taylor /players

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Sheens/ Benji/Farah
Potter/ Farah
Taylor/ whole dressing room cos he is utter rubbish

 

[Demps]

How can this guy be such a dunce….?

Does Robbie Farah need to step down as (C) and the the (C)OACH instead?
Who are they gonna listen to !?