Why will we improve next year?
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westTAHger
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Simple, because wests tigers have too.
Will it happen, :deadhorse: who knows, that's out of our control.
One thing we do know, that's it's **up to the organisation to get their crap in order,** and ensure better success that currently being witnessed. :brick:
Will it happen, :deadhorse: who knows, that's out of our control.
One thing we do know, that's it's **up to the organisation to get their crap in order,** and ensure better success that currently being witnessed. :brick:
@Milky said:
If Potter is such a supercoach in waiting how come no-one else in the NRL has shown any interest in him?
I don't doubt Potter was treated shabbily by the Tigers, but equally there's very little evidence that he was the answer. At best you can say "we'll never know".
@2041 said:
Not given another year or two to continue what he'd started was rather unfair I thought. He'd righted us at one point, then the Farahgate stuff derailed the season and sealed his fate.
@Milky said:
Massivley underrated.. If he had the support and good run with injuries we've had recently then I feel we'd be in a better position than we currently are. Who knows though, my only criticism is that he did seem very uninspiring, personality wise, but I don't know how well he related to the team so can't say. He seemed a fairly decent coach in general though.
Unless something amazing happens we are destined for another 12th-16th place finish. I just don't see us having the talent to be any better than this. We don't have any aggression in the forwards and we don't have the smarts in our halves to make the right decisions when needed. I wouldn't say any of our wins this year were impressive at all and with no new signings on horizon i can't see any change for the future.
ive said it a million times, but if we want to do well next year or this year.
we need a forward pack!!! more percisely, a top quality second rower. we should have made a massive play for junior paulo, he is exactly what we need. a hole punching and uplifting forward. i think gordie said it, "it's contagious" referring to the intent he runs with.
once our pack gets momentum, our halves will start playing well. they get half a second more to put in kicks, they get 30cm more between players and that's all they need to produce good plays and turn the tide with their kicking game. they show it in glimpses, because those are the games our pack is keeping up with the other pack, or occasionally even getting the better of them.
and once we constrain their metres, our edge defence will look a million times better. it's always so ragged because our team is sprinting back 10m every tackle and barely able to keep up. of course we'll miss tackles when that happens
coaching could be another issue too, but let's just focus on one thing at a time :laughing:
we need a forward pack!!! more percisely, a top quality second rower. we should have made a massive play for junior paulo, he is exactly what we need. a hole punching and uplifting forward. i think gordie said it, "it's contagious" referring to the intent he runs with.
once our pack gets momentum, our halves will start playing well. they get half a second more to put in kicks, they get 30cm more between players and that's all they need to produce good plays and turn the tide with their kicking game. they show it in glimpses, because those are the games our pack is keeping up with the other pack, or occasionally even getting the better of them.
and once we constrain their metres, our edge defence will look a million times better. it's always so ragged because our team is sprinting back 10m every tackle and barely able to keep up. of course we'll miss tackles when that happens
coaching could be another issue too, but let's just focus on one thing at a time :laughing:
Good post pHyR3 - agree 100% (as the younger players like to say)!
Many posters here keep heaping it onto 'Broses' but all you have to do is look at the Broncos game. I think everyone would agree that Hunt and Milford are a great halves pairing, yet when their forwards tired against us and we dominated them the same way our pack gets dominated nearly every week, how good did those two look?
Sure 'Broses' have weak aspects to their game, certainly general play and tactical kicking is one, also some poor options at times, defense (however this has improved) - but they have both showed what they can do when their forwards dominate. NRL is now more than ever a game won by quality forwards who are prepared to show up every week, and lets face it we do not have a pack that rates anywhere near many of the other teams. Watch the top 4 teams, or the Raiders, even what the Roosters pack did to our guys on Sunday. If you rewatch our first two games the one thing that stands out to me was our forwards bursting onto the ball, running with intent to get through the tackle, quick play the balls, getting a roll on…. this is what gives the halves and backline time and space enough to look slick.
Some games we have just not showed up to play with enough enthusiasm and comittment, in others we have started well but been worn down with error rates, bad options, too much defense and the vicious cycle that ends up in an inevitable loss - unless the other team is that poor on the day that they allow us to stay in the match. There have been 1 or 2 games that we have shown enough intent to deserve the win, but I don't believe that we have the quality forward roster or the quality coaching to perform at that level each week. Even worse, I am starting to think something important is missing in the culture at the Tigers and it's been missing for some time. We don't seem to demand excellence, effort and pride and all the characteristics that separates the real winners from the guys that run around for their NRL paychecks. When or how do you fix that - maybe bringing in some genuine winners and hope that their striving for excellence rubs off and is contagious.
Many posters here keep heaping it onto 'Broses' but all you have to do is look at the Broncos game. I think everyone would agree that Hunt and Milford are a great halves pairing, yet when their forwards tired against us and we dominated them the same way our pack gets dominated nearly every week, how good did those two look?
Sure 'Broses' have weak aspects to their game, certainly general play and tactical kicking is one, also some poor options at times, defense (however this has improved) - but they have both showed what they can do when their forwards dominate. NRL is now more than ever a game won by quality forwards who are prepared to show up every week, and lets face it we do not have a pack that rates anywhere near many of the other teams. Watch the top 4 teams, or the Raiders, even what the Roosters pack did to our guys on Sunday. If you rewatch our first two games the one thing that stands out to me was our forwards bursting onto the ball, running with intent to get through the tackle, quick play the balls, getting a roll on…. this is what gives the halves and backline time and space enough to look slick.
Some games we have just not showed up to play with enough enthusiasm and comittment, in others we have started well but been worn down with error rates, bad options, too much defense and the vicious cycle that ends up in an inevitable loss - unless the other team is that poor on the day that they allow us to stay in the match. There have been 1 or 2 games that we have shown enough intent to deserve the win, but I don't believe that we have the quality forward roster or the quality coaching to perform at that level each week. Even worse, I am starting to think something important is missing in the culture at the Tigers and it's been missing for some time. We don't seem to demand excellence, effort and pride and all the characteristics that separates the real winners from the guys that run around for their NRL paychecks. When or how do you fix that - maybe bringing in some genuine winners and hope that their striving for excellence rubs off and is contagious.
I suppose we can't get any worse.
At least we can always look at the replay of the 2005 Grand Final win on DVD which is something Cronulla, Titans and Warriors fans are unable to do.
Success starts at the top with strong leadership making great decisions.
Would be nice to be a club players want to play for without being paid overs for.
At least we can always look at the replay of the 2005 Grand Final win on DVD which is something Cronulla, Titans and Warriors fans are unable to do.
Success starts at the top with strong leadership making great decisions.
Would be nice to be a club players want to play for without being paid overs for.
GNR4LIFE
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I still think our best win in the last 5 or 6 yrs was the one against Parra on Easter Monday when Brooks kicked the field goal. We were going places. The club, both players and officials only have themselves to blame for what's happened since.
@pHyR3 said:
Yeah we do need some better players up front, or at least change the attitude of the players we do have. No one makes an impact, players like Woods never have (yes, makes good metres but never puts the other team on the back foot). JWH annhiliated us on the weekend, and that's the type of player (or change in attitude) we need. Taumololo is another example of a real impact player. Sue started the year out fairly well in that regard, I thought but looks to have died off a bit. Apart from him I don't see too many others who could do what really good forwards do in this competition.
@TigerSJ said:
thanks mate, appreciate it
but with regards to the first two games ( or even maybe 5 or 6 games) you dont need to watch the whole game.
only the first 20 and last 20 minutes of each game. because the middle 40 was when our bench came on, we got absolutely rolled and leaked points like anything and scored nothing because our halves had no space or field position.
i think manly and souths show that the best. i remember that souths one, told my mates after 20 minutes (we were up like 3 tries or something) that theyd score like crazy now. and they did. but once we we hit 60 minutes i knew we had it in the back with our starting pack coming on
since then, we've evened our pack and bench out so that we're just mediocre for the whole 80.
Chadman_s_Ghost
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@Eddie said:
To be fair, Hodgson, Prince, Whatuira & Payten were plucked out of other teams reserves.
The real development of the team came from the implementation of good youth players with them.
Now, isn't that where the Tigers are now? Grant, Taylor, Alioia, Chee Kam, Nauqama - plucked out of other teams reserves.
The difference, as I see it, is that Sheens had 2 experienced "spine" players mixed with 2 really good up & coming stars of their time- Hodgson, Marshall, Prince & Farah. Now, we have 3 up & comers & 1 guy that is in conflict with the HC. Tedesco is pretty much a bona fide star now. Farah is on a rapid decline, and doesn't play like he wants to be part of the solution. Brooks, in my opinion, has taken a few steps in the last month while Moses plays like a rookie.
The key is getting our spine to correctly control a football game. The rest of the squad is probably good enough. It's a genuine pity that Ballin is injured, as I believe he is the exact type of player required for Brooks & Moses.
supercoach
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So true..our spine lacks a couple of hard heads to lead the way when things get tuff. Teddy he is perfect, but either the six or seven needs to be in reggies and we need a younger version of Ballin at no9\. As good as Farah is he is in decline and it would appear he is at loggerheads with the club or visa versa. If you have not got a well oiled balanced spine you have major problems
@Chadman's Ghost said:
You had me Chadman until "Brooks, in my opinion, has taken a few steps in the last month while Moses plays like a rookie".
I think it is the other way around. I also think they should be played the other way round i.e. Moses half and Brooks 5/8.
Apart from that I think you, Eddie, pHyR3 and TigerSJ are all pretty much on the money. Good constructive posts all of you.
@GNR4LIFE said:
The big question is - do our players believe that? I won't include our coach because he tells every after match press conference that the team did really well. He must have set a very low bar at the start of the season and clearly dismissed any chance of the team moving anywhere up the ladder. Very negative approach.
Club_Sandwich
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We will only get better once JT is punted and Farah leaves for another club/ESL. Only then can we really say we are having a fresh start and evaluate things.
Besides, with the amount of coin Farah is on, when he leaves we will be able to buy possibly 2 -3 quality players. That will make a HUGE difference and may be all we need to build a new culture.
I'm hoping Farah leaves at the end of the year. I respect what he has done for us in the past but we can't really move on as a club until he's out the door.
New culture = wins = more TPAs = better players.
Besides, with the amount of coin Farah is on, when he leaves we will be able to buy possibly 2 -3 quality players. That will make a HUGE difference and may be all we need to build a new culture.
I'm hoping Farah leaves at the end of the year. I respect what he has done for us in the past but we can't really move on as a club until he's out the door.
New culture = wins = more TPAs = better players.
