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observatron
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@happy tiger said:
I'll back Hayne-Inglis v Whare-Goodwin any day of the week!
Check the above reasons - Jennings has pure speed but his defence is dodgy & he can't set up his winger! Morris is a poor man's version of his brother & Tate is a winger at rep level,
When fit Hodges is the best centre in the world (can create from a standing start) - but Hayne has the ability to do everything he does and equally complement Inglis on the opposite side. Hayne also has great hands when passing short (not the 20 metre passes he used to throw at 5/8th for Parra).
Roll your eyes all you like, Sheens will always be a better coach than you could imagine being.
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If Hayne wasn't playing at Parra - he could've played centre at club level and proven his wares.
However - unlike all the naysayers - Sheensy saw his potential (size, speed & hands) and he has proved to be a genuine weapon there for Australia (and possibly NSW),
Jarryd won this argument for me four minutes ago!
However - unlike all the naysayers - Sheensy saw his potential (size, speed & hands) and he has proved to be a genuine weapon there for Australia (and possibly NSW),
Jarryd won this argument for me four minutes ago!
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@wtigers said:
As stated previously - you need to fit your very best players into your 13 when working with a squad of this quality.
Moving Hayne to centre, ahead of the preferred candidates is an example of this being done very effectively by coach Sheens.
Jarryd kills them again - Happy Tiger must be sleeping off the hangover caused by his own vain stupidity!
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Furthermore to Happy Tiger: the loss of Billy Slater means that the move of Hayne to the centres provides us with a physically dominant centre option (that none of the other candidates offers) if Inglis needs to play fullback.
Forget bagging professional coaches with premierships under their belt (and players who've done the same), and start taking a good hard look at yourself if you consider yourself a sincere supporter of this club and game!
I've never seen any CONSTRUCTIVE criticism from you (having observed this forum since its inception). Just cheap shots on blokes you've never met - and it stinks!
Forget bagging professional coaches with premierships under their belt (and players who've done the same), and start taking a good hard look at yourself if you consider yourself a sincere supporter of this club and game!
I've never seen any CONSTRUCTIVE criticism from you (having observed this forum since its inception). Just cheap shots on blokes you've never met - and it stinks!
happy_tiger
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@observatron said:
Yes and I will repeat what I said previously
THEY ARE PLAYING THE USA
And seeing your an expert , wonder if you noticed Hayne's bad call in defence when he goes for the intercept
Do that against quality opposition and we pay a huge price
I understand he is a machine in attack , but as they say big games aren't won with attack they are won with defence and centre is the hardest position to play in defence
Sticking a bloke in a World Cup final with at best a couple of games at centre is a huge bloody risk and a risk I wouldn't take
And if you don't like what I say make me a foe and you never have to read another comment Simple as that
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@happy tiger said:
I'll back Hayne to not only start, but to kill it in the WC final!
Will get back to you then.
If you think Jennings, Tate or Morris are better options in the absence of Hodges, you need to watch a bit more NRL!
happy_tiger
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@observatron said:
Hodges and Inglis are the best centres in the game fully fit
I'm not saying Hayne won't play well in the final
I'm saying that in big games you don't play players in positions that don't know well ,particularly centre There is a risk involved
Remember the Renouf try in a World Cup final ,Kevie Walters throws the out ball to Renouf and Renouf beats Deveraux on his outside
Won because a bad read by a centre in a final
If you've never played centre you couldn't possibly understand how difficult it is defend there ,especially in the modern game with all the decoys and such going on
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@happy tiger said:
I played mainly back-row in may days, but was forced to centre on occasions (despite an abject lack of pace).
I fully agree that centre is the hardest position from which to defend, and in fact most centres need their inside back-rower to assist in the tackle (even if just herding the player towards them by covering an inside hole).
But the likes of Jennings and Tate need that support more than most, especially Jennings. And Morris, having had a purple patch of form in 12-13, is limited in both aspects of his game.
I sincerely believe that Hayne's physical presence in the centres will enhance our defensive aptitude, and his attack has far more dimensions than the other three combined.
He is a big man (in one game in 2009 with Keith & Gareth off, he towered over our entire pack), possesses great footwork, fend, power, pace, hands, vision, hole-running, tackle-breaking etc.
Please explain why he doesn't have all the equipment needed to be one of the best centres in the game? (Brett Kenny did it from 5/8th - so I find the arguments that you need to play in your club position to be short-sighted and ill-considered).
To get our best players in the 13 - Meninga played 2nd row on the 82 Invincibles tour as just one example.
happy_tiger
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I'm sure you will have a shot for having a shot at them , but the 82 Poms were pretty ordinary and we could of sent 4 Australians sides over and taken care of them
The one major advantage we have of the NZers (assuming they will beat the English ) is in the centres
You keep bringing up his attacking skills which I am in total agreement with
My concerns are his defence and making bad reads and he can't always rely on his back rower to be able to double team his opposite
I reckon at least three to four times in a game (assuming that teams have an equal share of possession ) that the defensive centre will need to make some one on one calls when he is at the disadvantage
At this level you don't have time to think about what you are going to do you need to make an instinctive call on what is coming at you and what is around you
You stop and think and you come up smashing fresh air
Granted as a fullback he will have some understanding of this , but as I stated one mistake by a centre can easily cost you a game and this isn't a premiership game with next week to say we got it wrong
And if Sheens makes the call and is wrong he will be unemployed and he would probably know that
The one major advantage we have of the NZers (assuming they will beat the English ) is in the centres
You keep bringing up his attacking skills which I am in total agreement with
My concerns are his defence and making bad reads and he can't always rely on his back rower to be able to double team his opposite
I reckon at least three to four times in a game (assuming that teams have an equal share of possession ) that the defensive centre will need to make some one on one calls when he is at the disadvantage
At this level you don't have time to think about what you are going to do you need to make an instinctive call on what is coming at you and what is around you
You stop and think and you come up smashing fresh air
Granted as a fullback he will have some understanding of this , but as I stated one mistake by a centre can easily cost you a game and this isn't a premiership game with next week to say we got it wrong
And if Sheens makes the call and is wrong he will be unemployed and he would probably know that
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@happy tiger said:
The 82 and 86 poms were far superior sides to that of this millenium I can assure you!
There was far greater parity between the competitions because Australian players were able to play off-seasons in the UK (and the opposite).
You may have a skewed view of the strength of the poms by the less than half-dozen forwards who've done well in the NRL. However, Rangi Chase is a first choice half…. and their back-line are mainly pedestrian.
Also, it's worth noting that while Morley, Ellis, Graham & the Burgess boys have been successful here this decade, and in the 80s some forwards like Lee Crooks and Kevin Ward had really successful stints in Australia.
However backs like Gary Schofield, Ellery Hanley, Joe Lydon, Henderson Gill, Tony Myler, Martin Offiah, Steve Hampson, Andy Gregory, Darryl Powell and Andy Currier were regularly the most sought after and successful imports. Aside from the rare exception (Tomkins and Hall), England are a long way behind us for quality backs nowadays.
Also, Sheens won't get sacked for not winning the World Cup - they didn't sack Ricky for losing it in 2009.
They sacked Ricky because he abused the ref in the hotel foyer the following morning!
In this case the risk-reward ratio is in favour of continuing what was a highly successful experiment tonight.
happy_tiger
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Slaters injury , hard to see what happened was it a clash of knees with the USA player ??
Observatron the 82 English side was pretty bad
The 86 squad began to get its act together with a lot of the younger players
Sheens contract is up at the end of the World Cup , if he loses I doubt they will renew his contract
Observatron the 82 English side was pretty bad
The 86 squad began to get its act together with a lot of the younger players
Sheens contract is up at the end of the World Cup , if he loses I doubt they will renew his contract
tig_prmz
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Slaters injury is his own fault and fair to say karma.
How he swings his left leg out makes him land on his right leg heavily.
I hate seeing injuries but slater deserved it.
_Posted using RoarFEED 2013_
How he swings his left leg out makes him land on his right leg heavily.
I hate seeing injuries but slater deserved it.
_Posted using RoarFEED 2013_
@tig_prmz said:
Post from RLWC 2013 page
"You may have seen Billy Slater being helped from the field during his side's win over USA today. What you didn't see was the Kangaroos full-back putting a smile on the face of a young fan, who had plucked up the courage to tap Billy on the shoulder in the tunnel area and say 'hello'. The Australian spent time with the boy and his family, before heading back into the changing room and hobbling back out to hand the boy a gift - his match-worn Kangaroos socks. #rolemodel #AusUSA #RLWC2013"
Might be a grub on field, but seems okay off it lately. Including the incident at the nightclub.
tig_prmz
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im not talking about his off field stuff
also i feel bad that he may not win the WC because he is an excellent player and has served his nation bravely… but the way he got injured serves him right for lashing out with his boot when fielding high kicks. hopefully that puts some sense into him
also i feel bad that he may not win the WC because he is an excellent player and has served his nation bravely… but the way he got injured serves him right for lashing out with his boot when fielding high kicks. hopefully that puts some sense into him
