World War 3?

[happy_tiger]

Thats what we all thought. I for one was PRO-Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon. Definitely off his bus now.

America has made him their puppet. The attacks in which Assad apparently conducted on his own country have no logical arguments. Why would he do it?

The White Helmets were treating the killed syrians after the chemical attack, a terrorist organisation. Yet Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon has helped them by bombing Syria. If America gets their way ISIS will take over Syria.

Wow!!!

You are really off the planet. Poor soul. :crazy :crazy :crazy

Elaborate, go ahead. Explain why the white helmets were treating the 'victims' of the chemical attack. Also explain why they weren't wearing protective equipment, yeah sure im going to go and treat someone after a chemical attack in normal clothing. Also, explain why Assad would want to attack people who have no effect what so ever on anything in the state. While you are at it, you can also explain how America was able to react so quickly, i'm sure they care enough about Syrian people to invest upwards of 60 million dollars in air strikes to take down Assad.

If you can not see this is an attempt by America to invade Syria then you have rocks for brains. Saudi Arabia and America want pipes to run under Syria, right next to where America attacked. Syria has refused and has now been targetted.

America is the reason behind the growth of ISIS, they stemmed of Al Qaeda and rebelled against the Syrian government. America saw this as an opportunity and capitalised by funding them, not knowing that it would bite them in the backside.

Or did it? If America really wanted to take down ISIS they could have years ago.

I'll save Col the need to respond. You are are one/some/all of the following:

- Lay off the Kool Aid
- You really are a snowflake, Woo Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon, drain the swamp
- :crazy
- Seek help
- You could not be more wrong (but I won't elaborate why I'm right.)

Totally off subject , love the new Avatar , we just need to get Ringo Starr and we could have our own NRL TV show

Americas have over many years started fights for their own benefits

1956 Hungarian Revolution for one

Americans had dropped millions of pamphlets into Hungary telling them to rid themselves of communism

And then the Free Radio broadcasts saying that they would support the Hungarians if they choose to stand up and fight the Iron Curtain and Communism

Speeches made by the students that were leading the calls for socialist change spoke quite often of the help of the Americans if they revolted

And what happened CB ??

They led a revolution , overthrew the Communists ,withdrew from the Warsaw Pact to become a socialist democracy and then declared themselves as a neutral

Then the former leader of the Army (and National hero )and then Minister of Defence Pat Malatar was invited to sign a truce by the Russians was captured and sent to Siberia

Then the Russians ( well they didn't send Russians back in they sent from a Mongul /Communist country from memory ,because in some cases the Russian troop had grown to love the Hungarians so much they actually sided with the Hungarians to fight their own countrymen ) invaded Hungary over 700 000 fled the country and many millions were killed

And while all this was happening European countries pleaded with the Americans and the UN to intervene with protests in the streets

So should we not blame America for invoking a country to rise up and fight and then stand back and watch while it was literally annihilated because it couldn't back up what they said they would do ??

 

[Milky]

Wow!!!

You are really off the planet. Poor soul. :crazy :crazy :crazy

Elaborate, go ahead. Explain why the white helmets were treating the 'victims' of the chemical attack. Also explain why they weren't wearing protective equipment, yeah sure im going to go and treat someone after a chemical attack in normal clothing. Also, explain why Assad would want to attack people who have no effect what so ever on anything in the state. While you are at it, you can also explain how America was able to react so quickly, i'm sure they care enough about Syrian people to invest upwards of 60 million dollars in air strikes to take down Assad.

If you can not see this is an attempt by America to invade Syria then you have rocks for brains. Saudi Arabia and America want pipes to run under Syria, right next to where America attacked. Syria has refused and has now been targetted.

America is the reason behind the growth of ISIS, they stemmed of Al Qaeda and rebelled against the Syrian government. America saw this as an opportunity and capitalised by funding them, not knowing that it would bite them in the backside.

Or did it? If America really wanted to take down ISIS they could have years ago.

I'll save Col the need to respond. You are are one/some/all of the following:

- Lay off the Kool Aid
- You really are a snowflake, Woo Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon, drain the swamp
- :crazy
- Seek help
- You could not be more wrong (but I won't elaborate why I'm right.)

Totally off subject , love the new Avatar , we just need to get Ringo Starr and we could have our own NRL TV show

Americas have over many years started fights for their own benefits

1956 Hungarian Revolution for one

Americans had dropped millions of pamphlets into Hungary telling them to rid themselves of communism

And then the Free Radio broadcasts saying that they would support the Hungarians if they choose to stand up and fight the Iron Curtain and Communism

Speeches made by the students that were leading the calls for socialist change spoke quite often of the help of the Americans if they revolted

And what happened CB ??

They led a revolution , overthrew the Communists ,withdrew from the Warsaw Pact to become a socialist democracy and then declared themselves as a neutral

Then the former leader of the Army (and National hero )and then Minister of Defence Pat Malatar was invited to sign a truce by the Russians was captured and sent to Siberia

Then the Russians ( well they didn't send Russians back in they sent from a Mongul /Communist country from memory ,because in some cases the Russian troop had grown to love the Hungarians so much they actually sided with the Hungarians to fight their own countrymen ) invaded Hungary over 700 000 fled the country and many millions were killed

And while all this was happening European countries pleaded with the Americans and the UN to intervene with protests in the streets

So should we not blame America for invoking a country to rise up and fight and then stand back and watch while it was literally annihilated because it couldn't back up what they said they would do ??

To put it short and sweet, facts are facts and if America did not involve itself in Syria then none of this would have ever eventuated.

 

[happy_tiger]

Elaborate, go ahead. Explain why the white helmets were treating the 'victims' of the chemical attack. Also explain why they weren't wearing protective equipment, yeah sure im going to go and treat someone after a chemical attack in normal clothing. Also, explain why Assad would want to attack people who have no effect what so ever on anything in the state. While you are at it, you can also explain how America was able to react so quickly, i'm sure they care enough about Syrian people to invest upwards of 60 million dollars in air strikes to take down Assad.

If you can not see this is an attempt by America to invade Syria then you have rocks for brains. Saudi Arabia and America want pipes to run under Syria, right next to where America attacked. Syria has refused and has now been targetted.

America is the reason behind the growth of ISIS, they stemmed of Al Qaeda and rebelled against the Syrian government. America saw this as an opportunity and capitalised by funding them, not knowing that it would bite them in the backside.

Or did it? If America really wanted to take down ISIS they could have years ago.

I'll save Col the need to respond. You are are one/some/all of the following:

- Lay off the Kool Aid
- You really are a snowflake, Woo Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon, drain the swamp
- :crazy
- Seek help
- You could not be more wrong (but I won't elaborate why I'm right.)

Totally off subject , love the new Avatar , we just need to get Ringo Starr and we could have our own NRL TV show

Americas have over many years started fights for their own benefits

1956 Hungarian Revolution for one

Americans had dropped millions of pamphlets into Hungary telling them to rid themselves of communism

And then the Free Radio broadcasts saying that they would support the Hungarians if they choose to stand up and fight the Iron Curtain and Communism

Speeches made by the students that were leading the calls for socialist change spoke quite often of the help of the Americans if they revolted

And what happened ??

They led a revolution , overthrew the Communists ,withdrew from the Warsaw Pact to become a socialist democracy and then declared themselves as a neutral

Then the former leader of the Army (and National hero )and then Minister of Defence Pat Malatar was invited to sign a truce by the Russians was captured and sent to Siberia

Then the Russians ( well they didn't send Russians back in they sent from a Mongul /Communist country from memory ,because in some cases the Russian troop had grown to love the Hungarians so much they actually sided with the Hungarians to fight their own countrymen ) invaded Hungary over 700 000 fled the country and many millions were killed

And while all this was happening European countries pleaded with the Americans and the UN to intervene with protests in the streets

So should we not blame America for invoking a country to rise up and fight and then stand back and watch while it was literally annihilated because it couldn't back up what they said they would do ??

To put it short and sweet, facts are facts and if America did not involve itself in Syria then none of this would have ever eventuated.

The defence rests

Check mate is the call Milky

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

I am sorry buy checkmate is not called unless made to the arbiter - otherwise it is up to the loser player to surrender. If call is made to the opposing player it is an incorrect call a big penalty would result for distracting the opponent.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Wow!!!

You are really off the planet. Poor soul. :crazy :crazy :crazy

Elaborate, go ahead. Explain why the white helmets were treating the 'victims' of the chemical attack. Also explain why they weren't wearing protective equipment, yeah sure im going to go and treat someone after a chemical attack in normal clothing. Also, explain why Assad would want to attack people who have no effect what so ever on anything in the state. While you are at it, you can also explain how America was able to react so quickly, i'm sure they care enough about Syrian people to invest upwards of 60 million dollars in air strikes to take down Assad.

If you can not see this is an attempt by America to invade Syria then you have rocks for brains. Saudi Arabia and America want pipes to run under Syria, right next to where America attacked. Syria has refused and has now been targetted.

America is the reason behind the growth of ISIS, they stemmed of Al Qaeda and rebelled against the Syrian government. America saw this as an opportunity and capitalised by funding them, not knowing that it would bite them in the backside.

Or did it? If America really wanted to take down ISIS they could have years ago.

I'll save Col the need to respond. You are are one/some/all of the following:

- Lay off the Kool Aid
- You really are a snowflake, Woo Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon, drain the swamp
- :crazy
- Seek help
- You could not be more wrong (but I won't elaborate why I'm right.)

Totally off subject , love the new Avatar , we just need to get Ringo Starr and we could have our own NRL TV show

Americas have over many years started fights for their own benefits

1956 Hungarian Revolution for one

Americans had dropped millions of pamphlets into Hungary telling them to rid themselves of communism

And then the Free Radio broadcasts saying that they would support the Hungarians if they choose to stand up and fight the Iron Curtain and Communism

Speeches made by the students that were leading the calls for socialist change spoke quite often of the help of the Americans if they revolted

And what happened CB ??

They led a revolution , overthrew the Communists ,withdrew from the Warsaw Pact to become a socialist democracy and then declared themselves as a neutral

Then the former leader of the Army (and National hero )and then Minister of Defence Pat Malatar was invited to sign a truce by the Russians was captured and sent to Siberia

Then the Russians ( well they didn't send Russians back in they sent from a Mongul /Communist country from memory ,because in some cases the Russian troop had grown to love the Hungarians so much they actually sided with the Hungarians to fight their own countrymen ) invaded Hungary over 700 000 fled the country and many millions were killed

And while all this was happening European countries pleaded with the Americans and the UN to intervene with protests in the streets

So should we not blame America for invoking a country to rise up and fight and then stand back and watch while it was literally annihilated because it couldn't back up what they said they would do ??

Fair enough? Not sure why I got a lecture about Hungary. I have no horse in this race, once again only pointing out Col's sniping from the peanut gallery without offering an opinion or fact to back it up?

 

[Tiger_Watto]

Its always about $'s and fuel… Russia doesnt want the new pipeline as it is the biggest exporter of fuel to Europe.

The US support the new pipeline as they have won the tender to build it.

And no one [US, Russia, Israel] wants Iran to build there own pipeline, so we will start nasty rumours about them also.

Cool Aid? Please dont tell them there is Cool Aid in the Persian Gulf. This will start a whole new battle?!

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Its always about $'s and fuel… Russia doesnt want the new pipeline as it is the biggest exporter of fuel to Europe.

The US support the new pipeline as they have won the tender to build it.

And no one [US, Russia, Israel] wants Iran to build there own pipeline, so we will start nasty rumours about them also.

Cool Aid? Please dont tell them there is Cool Aid in the Persian Gulf. This will start a whole new battle?!

Russia backs Shi'ite regimes. Likely in order to destabilise the Saudis.

 

[magpiecol]

It seems to me that some people on this forum hate America ( read Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon ) so much, that it does not seem to matter that children and women have been gassed to death. So go back to your left wing web sites and have a bet on the footy next week. Life's good.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

It seems to me that some people on this forum hate America ( read Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon ) so much, that it does not seem to matter that children and women have been gassed to death. So go back to your left wing web sites and have a bet on the footy next week. Life's good.

And it seems to me you love America (read Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon,) that much you're willing to turn a blind eye to the US & Saudi armed and financed terrorist networks that round people up en masse and execute them (men, women and children,) or sell them into slavery. And we're complicit as their allies.

Saddam gassed a bunch of Kurds too (50,000-100,000 it is estimated,) the US called play on… That's right, they were mates with Saddam and selling him truckloads of weapons to fight the Iranians.

It's got nothing to do with being Right/Left leaning, it's about calling everyone to account for their wrongs. The perpetual stream of terrorism we witness in the West is due to decades of interference in the Middle East.

The Russians are no angels either, but their deputy prime minister nailed it when he once tweeted "The West behaves towards the Islamic world like a monkey with a grenade."

I'm sure you'll come back with some reasoned response about Kool-Aid, draining of a swamp, your hard-on for Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon and hating the West.

 

[Milky]

It seems to me that some people on this forum hate America ( read Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon ) so much, that it does not seem to matter that children and women have been gassed to death. So go back to your left wing web sites and have a bet on the footy next week. Life's good.

Mate, I have nothing against America, matter of fact I am neutral. I study counter terrorism and modern issues, including a potential WW3 and I have a pretty good understanding so I don't think you are in a position to criticise my knowledge.

CB put an adequate response to you and it is on the mark.

 

[Magpie_Magic]

Reckon this is all an act because some in US thought he was too friendly with the Russians.

After a few months once they leave him alone there will be a more chummy relationship with Russia.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Reckon this is all an act because some in US thought he was too friendly with the Russians.

After a few months once they leave him alone there will be a more chummy relationship with Russia.

It's a legitimate question.

The Russians reckon they only hit with something like a thirty odd percent accuracy.

Tomahawks could nail me sitting on the crapper from up to 2,000km away. Either they had bad info, or they were deliberately targeting nothing of note.

 

[Magpie_Magic]

Reckon this is all an act because some in US thought he was too friendly with the Russians.

After a few months once they leave him alone there will be a more chummy relationship with Russia.

It's a legitimate question.

The Russians reckon they only hit with something like a thirty odd percent accuracy.

Tomahawks could nail me sitting on the crapper from up to 2,000km away. Either they had bad info, or they were deliberately targeting nothing of note.

Notice Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon not talking much about it.

Both sides have top hardware and really both Putin and Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon are commonsense people.

A political show sadly some more people died.

 

[happy_tiger]

Elaborate, go ahead. Explain why the white helmets were treating the 'victims' of the chemical attack. Also explain why they weren't wearing protective equipment, yeah sure im going to go and treat someone after a chemical attack in normal clothing. Also, explain why Assad would want to attack people who have no effect what so ever on anything in the state. While you are at it, you can also explain how America was able to react so quickly, i'm sure they care enough about Syrian people to invest upwards of 60 million dollars in air strikes to take down Assad.

If you can not see this is an attempt by America to invade Syria then you have rocks for brains. Saudi Arabia and America want pipes to run under Syria, right next to where America attacked. Syria has refused and has now been targetted.

America is the reason behind the growth of ISIS, they stemmed of Al Qaeda and rebelled against the Syrian government. America saw this as an opportunity and capitalised by funding them, not knowing that it would bite them in the backside.

Or did it? If America really wanted to take down ISIS they could have years ago.

I'll save Col the need to respond. You are are one/some/all of the following:

- Lay off the Kool Aid
- You really are a snowflake, Woo Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon, drain the swamp
- :crazy
- Seek help
- You could not be more wrong (but I won't elaborate why I'm right.)

Totally off subject , love the new Avatar , we just need to get Ringo Starr and we could have our own NRL TV show

Americas have over many years started fights for their own benefits

1956 Hungarian Revolution for one

Americans had dropped millions of pamphlets into Hungary telling them to rid themselves of communism

And then the Free Radio broadcasts saying that they would support the Hungarians if they choose to stand up and fight the Iron Curtain and Communism

Speeches made by the students that were leading the calls for socialist change spoke quite often of the help of the Americans if they revolted

And what happened CB ??

They led a revolution , overthrew the Communists ,withdrew from the Warsaw Pact to become a socialist democracy and then declared themselves as a neutral

Then the former leader of the Army (and National hero )and then Minister of Defence Pat Malatar was invited to sign a truce by the Russians was captured and sent to Siberia

Then the Russians ( well they didn't send Russians back in they sent from a Mongul /Communist country from memory ,because in some cases the Russian troop had grown to love the Hungarians so much they actually sided with the Hungarians to fight their own countrymen ) invaded Hungary over 700 000 fled the country and many millions were killed

And while all this was happening European countries pleaded with the Americans and the UN to intervene with protests in the streets

So should we not blame America for invoking a country to rise up and fight and then stand back and watch while it was literally annihilated because it couldn't back up what they said they would do ??

Fair enough? Not sure why I got a lecture about Hungary. I have no horse in this race, once again only pointing out Col's sniping from the peanut gallery without offering an opinion or fact to back it up?

Sorry CB I reread your post and saw you were having a shot at Col and removed your name

I don't know who you got it this morning when I removed it last night but anyway

The Hungary Revolution point was the Americans hoped that if one satellite Communist country would turn and fight the Iron Curtain all would

When only one turned they shrugged their shoulders and turned the other cheek

America has been a morally irresponsible super power for many years and they hope their press machine can paint a different picture

And the Hungarian story was told by many refugees and one James A Michener author who the USA considered to call a Commie after this book

Fantastic read mate , wish I had some Hungarian blood

 

[Yossarian]

Happy don't become a history teacher. The Americans had very very little to do with the Hungarian revolution. If it was that easy to incite a revolution they would have picked a better situation. The secret speech was more of a catalyst than anything the US did.

 

[Yossarian]

Its always about $'s and fuel… Russia doesnt want the new pipeline as it is the biggest exporter of fuel to Europe.

The US support the new pipeline as they have won the tender to build it.

And no one [US, Russia, Israel] wants Iran to build there own pipeline, so we will start nasty rumours about them also.

Cool Aid? Please dont tell them there is Cool Aid in the Persian Gulf. This will start a whole new battle?!

Russia backs Shi'ite regimes. Likely in order to destabilise the Saudis.

I'd suggest it's more to do with Syria's size and strategic importance than religion. They don't seem interested in Iraq. I think Putin saw a vacuum that Russia could fill. As for the volley of tomahawks, the suggestion is that the Russians were notified and got their people out of there.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

No better way for Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon to divert all the questions about him colluding with the Kremlin than threatening to start a war with them.

 

[happy_tiger]

Happy don't become a history teacher. The Americans had very very little to do with the Hungarian revolution. If it was that easy to incite a revolution they would have picked a better situation. The secret speech was more of a catalyst than anything the US did.

Yes of course there were other factors , The AVO being one

But you don't think having a country telling you we will help , break the Iron Curtain dropping millions of pamphlets , running a Radio Free programme distinctly in your language isn't aiding the thoughts of Freedom

It is amazing to think a basically unarmed /unled country destroyed over 500 tanks

Amazing read , the Bridge at Andau

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Its always about $'s and fuel… Russia doesnt want the new pipeline as it is the biggest exporter of fuel to Europe.

The US support the new pipeline as they have won the tender to build it.

And no one [US, Russia, Israel] wants Iran to build there own pipeline, so we will start nasty rumours about them also.

Cool Aid? Please dont tell them there is Cool Aid in the Persian Gulf. This will start a whole new battle?!

Russia backs Shi'ite regimes. Likely in order to destabilise the Saudis.

I'd suggest it's more to do with Syria's size and strategic importance than religion. They don't seem interested in Iraq. I think Putin saw a vacuum that Russia could fill. As for the volley of tomahawks, the suggestion is that the Russians were notified and got their people out of there.

I don't mean to say that's not the case either. Russia backing Iran and Syria is obviously more than just religion. The US and Saudis are trying to get a pipeline through Syria which is not good news for Russian oil as Watto says. Backing their largest regional opponents (by way of religion incidentally,) goes a long way to destabilising those plans.

I'd like to think that Elon Musk and his mates go a long way to abolishing the oil industry, but it will only become a conflict over another resource.

 

[TurnStyle]

I guess this topic is hard not to bring up considering it's severity. Please have a mature discussion with no attacks or prohibited language.

America yesterday released 59 airstrikes towards Syria. Russia has now reacted by putting its ships between American ships and Syria. They have also suspended an agreement that prevents conflict with US forces.

Milky all I will suggest is looking into things for yourself: the military industrial complex (eg; bomb some country, award contracts to companies you have strong ties to to rebuild the infrastructure), the petrodollar (Russia agreed with China to stop using the $US as standard a couple of years back), and particularly the US's history with regard to its foreign policy. A few years old now, but would definitely recommend Noam Chomsky's Hegemony or Survival.
the hegelian dialectic…
I also never watch the news as it is the greatest tool for control in the history of mankind...

i think if you find things out for yourself, rather than accepting things without using your own critical thought - and i am not suggesting you in particular do - it is confronting but at the same time liberating.
in any case, war is for the oligarchs who create them to maintain and sustain power, and no one can benefit if the planet gets blown up, so that's unlikely to happen.