WOULD YOU VACCINATE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH SPORTS

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@willow said in [WOULD YOU VACCINATE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH SPORTS](/post/1435306) said:
Appreciate the vigorous discussion here guys and gals - it's obvious however that there are two points of view to this scenario - those who have been/are/believe in the vaccination, and those who don't.

Don't waste energy trying to convince one or the other who is right - it's an argument that will continue in circles. All I will say to those who don't believe in getting vaccinated - I hope you don't contract COVID, I know of more than one person who either didn't believe in COVID or the vaccination, only to contract COVID. Their tune has since changed.

It's worth one red-hot go willow, even to potentially convince one person to get a shot. My moral and professional duty.
 
@jirskyr said in [WOULD YOU VACCINATE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH SPORTS](/post/1435140) said:
@tiger-beach said in [WOULD YOU VACCINATE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH SPORTS](/post/1434893) said:
No and not to travel, go to the movies or anything else that they are threatening to bar me from
Coercion is a dangerous thing
And before I get told to follow the science, that can be bought and paid for and much of it is

So you reckon science on a global level has been bought by... someone, to, what, fake COVID and sell fake vaccines on people? You don't reckon we'd quickly find out if it wasn't real. Do you reckon they can fake 4.2 million global deaths?

Tell me one time global consensus science has been bought by someone.

Lots of leaps there and doesn’t represent my views so I won’t comment on your conclusions drawn in relation to my initial statement

That aside, in terms of bought and paid for science, the tobacco industry, sugar industry and even the artificial sweetener manufacturers bought some pretty favourable science for quite some time. That’s just a start

Truth does win out eventually though
 
@philgood said in [WOULD YOU VACCINATE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH SPORTS](/post/1435297) said:
My research is based on health professionals and experts.

Are you suggesting the WHO, TGA, ATAGI and every government in the world's health departments aren't health professionals or experts? Feel free to name all your experts and peer reviewed, controlled studies.

It seems all of your 'research' is based on the discredited Dr who recommended Hydroychloroquine.

Maybe you should point him to this:

“A large randomized control trial published in the New England Journal of Medicine found no benefit of Hydroxychloroquine (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is ineffective as has danger side-effects) given to outpatients who had been exposed to SARS-CoV-2,” Jha said. “The recovery trial found **higher rates of death among hospitalized patients on Hydroxychloroquine (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is ineffective as has danger side-effects).**

In all seriousness I don't care if you believe him or decide not to get vaccinated. What does concern me is the spreading of dangerously wrong information which might stop other people heeding credible medical advice.
 
@philgood said in [WOULD YOU VACCINATE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH SPORTS](/post/1435304) said:
@jirskyr said in [WOULD YOU VACCINATE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH SPORTS](/post/1435281) said:
@philgood said in [WOULD YOU VACCINATE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH SPORTS](/post/1435230) said:
@mike said in [WOULD YOU VACCINATE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH SPORTS](/post/1435208) said:
@philgood said in [WOULD YOU VACCINATE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH SPORTS](/post/1435206) said:
@mike said in [WOULD YOU VACCINATE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH SPORTS](/post/1435198) said:
@philgood said in [WOULD YOU VACCINATE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH SPORTS](/post/1435190) said:
@mike said in [WOULD YOU VACCINATE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH SPORTS](/post/1435176) said:
@philgood said in [WOULD YOU VACCINATE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH SPORTS](/post/1435170) said:
From the horse's mouth
https://www.facebook.com/107999601094256/posts/257129532847928/

He’s a cardiologist. His is talking outside his area of expertise. That makes him as about as relevant as you and I.

Mate what are you talking about. He was one of the doctors on the frontline treating covid patients when other doctors were telling them to go home and wait it out. He was the first doctor to write a published paper on how to treat covid.

He has made multiple false claims about Covid19 and the Covid19 vaccinations and natural immunity. He’s irrelevant. He is just a cardiologist and way out of his area of expertise. A lackey of a certain previous President.

False because the pharmaceutical company who is profiteering from experimental jab said so?

No, false because they are false.

Again, MANY doctors with first hand evidence.

Who? Names please and evidence.

Lets start with

Americas Frontline doctors
Dr Robert mason
Dr Tess Lawrie
Dr Samuel White (UK)
Dr geert vanden bossch

And sorry what do these good folks have evidence for? All, what, all 4 of them have evidence? Couldn't even fill a scrum.

Glad you mentioned the AFD, good guys these ones, not controversial at all
>America's Frontline Doctors
>From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
>America's Frontline Doctors is an American right-wing political organization known for spreading misinformation about the COVID-19 >pandemic.[1][2][3] Founded by Simone Gold and promoted by the Tea Party Patriots, it has opposed lockdowns and social distancing >mandates during the COVID-19 pandemic by citing alleged and unapproved treatments for COVID-19.
>
>In January 2021, Gold and the group's communications director John Strand were both arrested in connection with the 2021 United States >Capitol attack.

Founded by a guy who has since been arrested in connection with a violent raid on US parliament.
 
@philgood said in [WOULD YOU VACCINATE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH SPORTS](/post/1435245) said:
@earl said in [WOULD YOU VACCINATE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH SPORTS](/post/1435238) said:
@spud_murphy said in [WOULD YOU VACCINATE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH SPORTS](/post/1435227) said:
You’re NOT ok in my book when you start being rude to others because they made a decision that was BEST for them.

Remember that guy who got high and drunk and ran over those kids. He believed his right to drink and drive was more important than any lives he put at risk.

He made the best decision for him but his decision impacted other people.

Your argument simply doesn't cut it.

No that wont work. I shouldnt have to take the vaccine in order to help protect someone else who has either had or hasnt had the vaccine. Makes no sense. Vaccines are meant to create immunity. This jab does not

That is just false
 
@hobbo1 said in [WOULD YOU VACCINATE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH SPORTS](/post/1435302) said:
@jirskyr said in [WOULD YOU VACCINATE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH SPORTS](/post/1435286) said:
@hobbo1 said in [WOULD YOU VACCINATE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH SPORTS](/post/1435277) said:
@spud_murphy said in [WOULD YOU VACCINATE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH SPORTS](/post/1435273) said:
@hobbo1 said in [WOULD YOU VACCINATE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH SPORTS](/post/1435262) said:
I thought this would’ve been a simple yes / no thread .. never mind ..

Lol never! The arrogant ‘know it alls’ are always here to lecture us all on how right they are and everyone who disagrees with them is an imbecile - gives me the sh!ts!

Yeah I’m blocking this thread as I have with the other one .. too much chest pumping from basement nerds for me lol

How naive, to (a) think a vaccine thread won't have dissenters, and (b) to suggest there isn't consistent "chest pumping" or "know-it-alls" in every thread on this forum, perhaps even more so in the football threads.

There is already a coronavirus thread which is out of control , now we have another which started out more of a general yes / no thread to the OP original question.
But carry on …

100% of coronavirus threads will become out of control, you need to accept that. Otherwise you'll need to stay out of the debate about vaccine passports, because it's coming and it's ugly.
 
@tiger-beach said in [WOULD YOU VACCINATE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH SPORTS](/post/1435310) said:
@jirskyr said in [WOULD YOU VACCINATE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH SPORTS](/post/1435140) said:
@tiger-beach said in [WOULD YOU VACCINATE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH SPORTS](/post/1434893) said:
No and not to travel, go to the movies or anything else that they are threatening to bar me from
Coercion is a dangerous thing
And before I get told to follow the science, that can be bought and paid for and much of it is

So you reckon science on a global level has been bought by... someone, to, what, fake COVID and sell fake vaccines on people? You don't reckon we'd quickly find out if it wasn't real. Do you reckon they can fake 4.2 million global deaths?

Tell me one time global consensus science has been bought by someone.

Lots of leaps there and doesn’t represent my views so I won’t comment on your conclusions drawn in relation to my initial statement

That aside, in terms of bought and paid for science, the tobacco industry, sugar industry and even the artificial sweetener manufacturers bought some pretty favourable science for quite some time. That’s just a start

Truth does win out eventually though

I'd put it to you that truth already won out in 2020, and the lovely vaccines are what we have to celebrate with.

You do realise of course vaccines of various descriptions have been given to humans for over 200 years? That's a very very long period of time for the "buying" of science to be ironed out.

But so is COVID real? Or do you just not trust vaccines?

Also the concept - how much would it cost to buy out all the health authorities of the world, in order to sell a few billion doses of vaccine?
 
@jirskyr said in [WOULD YOU VACCINATE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH SPORTS](/post/1435309) said:
@willow said in [WOULD YOU VACCINATE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH SPORTS](/post/1435306) said:
Appreciate the vigorous discussion here guys and gals - it's obvious however that there are two points of view to this scenario - those who have been/are/believe in the vaccination, and those who don't.

Don't waste energy trying to convince one or the other who is right - it's an argument that will continue in circles. All I will say to those who don't believe in getting vaccinated - I hope you don't contract COVID, I know of more than one person who either didn't believe in COVID or the vaccination, only to contract COVID. Their tune has since changed.

It's worth one red-hot go willow, even to potentially convince one person to get a shot. My moral and professional duty.

By the way I will bug-out after tonight, same as I did in the other COVID thread. I'll have my say for a while then give up.
 
@jirskyr said in [WOULD YOU VACCINATE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH SPORTS](/post/1435278) said:
@spud_murphy said in [WOULD YOU VACCINATE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH SPORTS](/post/1435227) said:
There are benefits and risks to every medical procedure. Doing the “right thing” means you’ve weighed the risks and benefits for yourself, and are making an informed decision. The only wrong decision IMO is made purely out of fear, social pressure or emotional reactivity. If you have researched your decision and are comfortable with it…great!

What if the decision is made out of fear, just a different kind? Fear of the government or of established medical practice?

The issue with vaccines is we need the strong majority of people to do it, otherwise they are less effective. It's not the same as individualised medical care. Infectious diseases don't work that way when they are highly infectious.

For example if you want to become a PR / citizen of Australia, you have to prove you don't have TB. You need a medical checkup and clearance. It is fact that they discriminate against people with TB. There's a reason for that - TB is highly infectious, it's a devastating disease and damaging to the population. They need to keep it out of Australia.

Now they are never going to force vaccination on people, that just won't happen. Nobody is going to be tied down and drugged. But they will incentivise it very strongly. They will provide privileges for those who get vaccinated.

It therefore becomes a choice to decline those privileges.

You call them privileges

I call them freedoms
 
@willow said in [WOULD YOU VACCINATE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH SPORTS](/post/1435306) said:
Appreciate the vigorous discussion here guys and gals - it's obvious however that there are two points of view to this scenario - those who have been/are/believe in the vaccination, and those who don't.

No worries I'm out.
 
@jirskyr said in [WOULD YOU VACCINATE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH SPORTS](/post/1435318) said:
Otherwise you’ll need to stay out of the debate about vaccine passports, because it’s coming and it’s ugly

Yep. This is the big issue and it's coming. People are railing against the facts right now. The facts are what they are. It's the policy implications in relation to the facts that are the big deal.

Atm it's pretty clear that the majority will get vaccinated and the unvaccinated will be legally discriminated against all over the place.
 
@jirskyr said in [WOULD YOU VACCINATE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH SPORTS](/post/1435319) said:
@tiger-beach said in [WOULD YOU VACCINATE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH SPORTS](/post/1435310) said:
@jirskyr said in [WOULD YOU VACCINATE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH SPORTS](/post/1435140) said:
@tiger-beach said in [WOULD YOU VACCINATE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH SPORTS](/post/1434893) said:
No and not to travel, go to the movies or anything else that they are threatening to bar me from
Coercion is a dangerous thing
And before I get told to follow the science, that can be bought and paid for and much of it is

So you reckon science on a global level has been bought by... someone, to, what, fake COVID and sell fake vaccines on people? You don't reckon we'd quickly find out if it wasn't real. Do you reckon they can fake 4.2 million global deaths?

Tell me one time global consensus science has been bought by someone.

Lots of leaps there and doesn’t represent my views so I won’t comment on your conclusions drawn in relation to my initial statement

That aside, in terms of bought and paid for science, the tobacco industry, sugar industry and even the artificial sweetener manufacturers bought some pretty favourable science for quite some time. That’s just a start

Truth does win out eventually though

I'd put it to you that truth already won out in 2020, and the lovely vaccines are what we have to celebrate with.

You do realise of course vaccines of various descriptions have been given to humans for over 200 years? That's a very very long period of time for the "buying" of science to be ironed out.

But so is COVID real? Or do you just not trust vaccines?

Also the concept - how much would it cost to buy out all the health authorities of the world, in order to sell a few billion doses of vaccine?

Again you choose to put words into my mouth and ask a series of questions in a condescending manner designed to suit your agenda

I’m not playing that game
 
I will never get vaxxed so I guess I will be a second class citizen forever, so be it. Ban me from everything, ban me from life but don't ban my money LOL
 
@spartan117 said in [WOULD YOU VACCINATE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH SPORTS](/post/1434906) said:
Im not anti Vax.

But I want to see more evidence that this jab works especially if they want to vax my kids.

Have you read any of the reports? It's incredibly clear. How much evidence do you require? You might be dead by that time
 
@trevros said in [WOULD YOU VACCINATE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH SPORTS](/post/1435343) said:
I will never get vaxxed so I guess I will be a second class citizen forever, so be it. Ban me from everything, ban me from life but don't ban my money LOL

You basically won't be allowed out of the house. Enjoy a permanent lockdown
 
@balmain-boy said in [WOULD YOU VACCINATE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH SPORTS](/post/1435357) said:
@trevros said in [WOULD YOU VACCINATE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH SPORTS](/post/1435343) said:
I will never get vaxxed so I guess I will be a second class citizen forever, so be it. Ban me from everything, ban me from life but don't ban my money LOL

You basically won't be allowed out of the house. Enjoy a permanent lockdown

So be it
 
@trevros said in [WOULD YOU VACCINATE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH SPORTS](/post/1435362) said:
@balmain-boy said in [WOULD YOU VACCINATE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH SPORTS](/post/1435357) said:
@trevros said in [WOULD YOU VACCINATE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH SPORTS](/post/1435343) said:
I will never get vaxxed so I guess I will be a second class citizen forever, so be it. Ban me from everything, ban me from life but don't ban my money LOL

You basically won't be allowed out of the house. Enjoy a permanent lockdown

So be it

Uber eats V.I.P
 
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