WOULD YOU VACCINATE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH SPORTS

[Cultured_Bogan]

Will not be getting the experimental jab. As Harvey alluded to, it does not work the way a normal safe vaccine works. A vaccine normally offers 2 things:
1. Immunity
2. Stop transmission

This jab does neither.

There is alao NO data on long term effects of the jab. Some experts are saying it may cause auto immune disorders, alzheimers in the elderly and blood clots leading to death (this we already know).

Unfortunately alot of this information (while available), is being heavily censored.

Please don't misquote me. No vaccination offers complete immunity to catching an illness, they stimulate your immune system so that you are able to fight the virus off before it can do serious damage.

Thats what immunity is. Teaching your antibodies to attack the antigen. This jab does not do this in that way. It causes RNA to create the spike protein. **There has never been a vaccine that works in this way**

Wrong.

mRNA vaccine technology has been used in cancer vaccines since 2011. So there's ten years of data on what the longer term effects of mRNA vaccines are, if any.

Incorrect. The Covid vaccine is the first vaccine where the spike protein has been produced to induce an immune response. There is NO long term data on this.
Wonder why this has been taken off youtube? Oh yeah 'misinformation ' because it doesn't fit it with the multi billion dollar pharmaceutical narrative

https://www.facebook.com/107999601094256/posts/265110438716504/

Wrong again.

The same technology has been used before, to elicit an immune response against proteins found in tumours called tumour associated antigens.

 

[philgood]

Will not be getting the experimental jab. As Harvey alluded to, it does not work the way a normal safe vaccine works. A vaccine normally offers 2 things:
1. Immunity
2. Stop transmission

This jab does neither.

There is alao NO data on long term effects of the jab. Some experts are saying it may cause auto immune disorders, alzheimers in the elderly and blood clots leading to death (this we already know).

Unfortunately alot of this information (while available), is being heavily censored.

Please don't misquote me. No vaccination offers complete immunity to catching an illness, they stimulate your immune system so that you are able to fight the virus off before it can do serious damage.

Thats what immunity is. Teaching your antibodies to attack the antigen. This jab does not do this in that way. It causes RNA to create the spike protein. **There has never been a vaccine that works in this way**

Wrong.

mRNA vaccine technology has been used in cancer vaccines since 2011. So there's ten years of data on what the longer term effects of mRNA vaccines are, if any.

Incorrect. The Covid vaccine is the first vaccine where the spike protein has been produced to induce an immune response. There is NO long term data on this.
Wonder why this has been taken off youtube? Oh yeah 'misinformation ' because it doesn't fit it with the multi billion dollar pharmaceutical narrative

https://www.facebook.com/107999601094256/posts/265110438716504/

Wrong again.

The same technology has been used before, to elicit an immune response against proteins found in tumours called tumour associated antigens.

No you are incorrect. Same technology has been used, but This spike protein has never been produced previously,

 

[cochise]

So your belief is that governments all over the world are going to drive their economies into the ground to “control” the populous?

I don't much comment on these threads because no one changes their minds BUT this hits the nail on the head. Governments' main goals are money and getting voted in at the next election. They don't give a damn about keeping people at home to "control" them. It's a paranoid fantasy.

And all those claims would make them unelectable.

 

[cochise]

Otherwise you’ll need to stay out of the debate about vaccine passports, because it’s coming and it’s ugly

Yep. This is the big issue and it's coming. People are railing against the facts right now. The facts are what they are. It's the policy implications in relation to the facts that are the big deal.

Atm it's pretty clear that the majority will get vaccinated and the unvaccinated will be legally discriminated against all over the place.

“Legal discrimination” never ends well for any society

Nonsense. It is part of all sorts of policies now. Aboriginals receive positive discrimination. Women do as well. The thing is these types of discrimination are much less obvious and extreme as what is now being implemented across the world in relation to the unvaccinated.

Personally I don't like it but I don't see any other option.

As a fully vaccinated individual why should I have to suffer through lockdowns and restrictions when I'm not the problem. Why not just discriminate against the people who have chosen to do the wrong thing. It's like telling me I can't drive because other people drink and drive. That is their choice not mine and I shouldn't be discriminated for their bad choices.

Anyway this is happening now. I suggest you get on the smart train rather than choose the dumb option.

This is what the French President stated:-

“I no longer have any intention of sacrificing my life, my time, my freedom and the adolescence of my daughters, as well as their right to study properly, for those who refuse to be vaccinated. This time you stay at home, not us.”

Lockdowns won't end regardless now they have them well established as a control tool. Take a look at Iceland which endured 15 months of restrictions and then had all restrictions lifted after they got their vaccination rate to 90%. Four weeks later the restrictions returned

They promise "freedoms" to encourage take up of the vaxx, nothing more

Whilst that "quote" does sound like something Macron might say with it's focus on the effect on him and his family over the interests of the French people he is supposed to lead, it is not something he said. I'll leave it for you to investigate but trusting Fitzy as a reliable source of quotes isn't always the best method

So your belief is that governments all over the world are going to drive their economies into the ground to "control" the populous? Also if the vaccination doesn't protect the people why do you feel they are trying to encourage people to take up the vaxx with this promise of freedoms?

Your first sentence is not anything I said, it is your interpretation. But I do believe this is very much about control and a crashed economy, which you raised, does enhance the ability for greater centralised control

I have seen no clear evidence whether the vaccine protects peole or not, but the second part of your question is the one everyone should be asking and thinking about

**"..... why do you feel they are trying to encourage people to take up the vaxx with this promise of freedoms?"**

The 1st sentence is exactly what you said, you stated "Lockdowns won't end regardless now they have them well established as a control tool."

There is plenty of evidence that the vaccines work and if you haven't seen it I suggest you are looking in the wrong places.

 

[Geo]

I have an idea..

Agree to disagree..

 

[cochise]

I have an idea..

Agree to disagree..

I disagree with that idea lol

 

[Tiger Beach]

Otherwise you’ll need to stay out of the debate about vaccine passports, because it’s coming and it’s ugly

Yep. This is the big issue and it's coming. People are railing against the facts right now. The facts are what they are. It's the policy implications in relation to the facts that are the big deal.

Atm it's pretty clear that the majority will get vaccinated and the unvaccinated will be legally discriminated against all over the place.

“Legal discrimination” never ends well for any society

Nonsense. It is part of all sorts of policies now. Aboriginals receive positive discrimination. Women do as well. The thing is these types of discrimination are much less obvious and extreme as what is now being implemented across the world in relation to the unvaccinated.

Personally I don't like it but I don't see any other option.

As a fully vaccinated individual why should I have to suffer through lockdowns and restrictions when I'm not the problem. Why not just discriminate against the people who have chosen to do the wrong thing. It's like telling me I can't drive because other people drink and drive. That is their choice not mine and I shouldn't be discriminated for their bad choices.

Anyway this is happening now. I suggest you get on the smart train rather than choose the dumb option.

This is what the French President stated:-

“I no longer have any intention of sacrificing my life, my time, my freedom and the adolescence of my daughters, as well as their right to study properly, for those who refuse to be vaccinated. This time you stay at home, not us.”

Lockdowns won't end regardless now they have them well established as a control tool. Take a look at Iceland which endured 15 months of restrictions and then had all restrictions lifted after they got their vaccination rate to 90%. Four weeks later the restrictions returned

They promise "freedoms" to encourage take up of the vaxx, nothing more

Whilst that "quote" does sound like something Macron might say with it's focus on the effect on him and his family over the interests of the French people he is supposed to lead, it is not something he said. I'll leave it for you to investigate but trusting Fitzy as a reliable source of quotes isn't always the best method

So your belief is that governments all over the world are going to drive their economies into the ground to "control" the populous? Also if the vaccination doesn't protect the people why do you feel they are trying to encourage people to take up the vaxx with this promise of freedoms?

Your first sentence is not anything I said, it is your interpretation. But I do believe this is very much about control and a crashed economy, which you raised, does enhance the ability for greater centralised control

I have seen no clear evidence whether the vaccine protects peole or not, but the second part of your question is the one everyone should be asking and thinking about

**"..... why do you feel they are trying to encourage people to take up the vaxx with this promise of freedoms?"**

The 1st sentence is exactly what you said, you stated "Lockdowns won't end regardless now they have them well established as a control tool."

There is plenty of evidence that the vaccines work and if you haven't seen it I suggest you are looking in the wrong places.

You: "So your belief is that governments all over the world are going to drive their economies into the ground to “control” the populous?"
Me: "Lockdowns won't end regardless now they have them well established as a control tool."

Nothing exactly the same there

 

[cochise]

Otherwise you’ll need to stay out of the debate about vaccine passports, because it’s coming and it’s ugly

Yep. This is the big issue and it's coming. People are railing against the facts right now. The facts are what they are. It's the policy implications in relation to the facts that are the big deal.

Atm it's pretty clear that the majority will get vaccinated and the unvaccinated will be legally discriminated against all over the place.

“Legal discrimination” never ends well for any society

Nonsense. It is part of all sorts of policies now. Aboriginals receive positive discrimination. Women do as well. The thing is these types of discrimination are much less obvious and extreme as what is now being implemented across the world in relation to the unvaccinated.

Personally I don't like it but I don't see any other option.

As a fully vaccinated individual why should I have to suffer through lockdowns and restrictions when I'm not the problem. Why not just discriminate against the people who have chosen to do the wrong thing. It's like telling me I can't drive because other people drink and drive. That is their choice not mine and I shouldn't be discriminated for their bad choices.

Anyway this is happening now. I suggest you get on the smart train rather than choose the dumb option.

This is what the French President stated:-

“I no longer have any intention of sacrificing my life, my time, my freedom and the adolescence of my daughters, as well as their right to study properly, for those who refuse to be vaccinated. This time you stay at home, not us.”

Lockdowns won't end regardless now they have them well established as a control tool. Take a look at Iceland which endured 15 months of restrictions and then had all restrictions lifted after they got their vaccination rate to 90%. Four weeks later the restrictions returned

They promise "freedoms" to encourage take up of the vaxx, nothing more

Whilst that "quote" does sound like something Macron might say with it's focus on the effect on him and his family over the interests of the French people he is supposed to lead, it is not something he said. I'll leave it for you to investigate but trusting Fitzy as a reliable source of quotes isn't always the best method

So your belief is that governments all over the world are going to drive their economies into the ground to "control" the populous? Also if the vaccination doesn't protect the people why do you feel they are trying to encourage people to take up the vaxx with this promise of freedoms?

Your first sentence is not anything I said, it is your interpretation. But I do believe this is very much about control and a crashed economy, which you raised, does enhance the ability for greater centralised control

I have seen no clear evidence whether the vaccine protects peole or not, but the second part of your question is the one everyone should be asking and thinking about

**"..... why do you feel they are trying to encourage people to take up the vaxx with this promise of freedoms?"**

The 1st sentence is exactly what you said, you stated "Lockdowns won't end regardless now they have them well established as a control tool."

There is plenty of evidence that the vaccines work and if you haven't seen it I suggest you are looking in the wrong places.

You: "So your belief is that governments all over the world are going to drive their economies into the ground to “control” the populous?"
Me: "Lockdowns won't end regardless now they have them well established as a control tool."

Nothing exactly the same there

I know who you are, this conversation is over.

 

[Tiger Beach]

I have an idea..

Agree to disagree..

I disagree with that idea lol

I can agree to that

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Will not be getting the experimental jab. As Harvey alluded to, it does not work the way a normal safe vaccine works. A vaccine normally offers 2 things:
1. Immunity
2. Stop transmission

This jab does neither.

There is alao NO data on long term effects of the jab. Some experts are saying it may cause auto immune disorders, alzheimers in the elderly and blood clots leading to death (this we already know).

Unfortunately alot of this information (while available), is being heavily censored.

Please don't misquote me. No vaccination offers complete immunity to catching an illness, they stimulate your immune system so that you are able to fight the virus off before it can do serious damage.

Thats what immunity is. Teaching your antibodies to attack the antigen. This jab does not do this in that way. It causes RNA to create the spike protein. **There has never been a vaccine that works in this way**

Wrong.

mRNA vaccine technology has been used in cancer vaccines since 2011. So there's ten years of data on what the longer term effects of mRNA vaccines are, if any.

Incorrect. The Covid vaccine is the first vaccine where the spike protein has been produced to induce an immune response. There is NO long term data on this.
Wonder why this has been taken off youtube? Oh yeah 'misinformation ' because it doesn't fit it with the multi billion dollar pharmaceutical narrative

https://www.facebook.com/107999601094256/posts/265110438716504/

Wrong again.

The same technology has been used before, to elicit an immune response against proteins found in tumours called tumour associated antigens.

No you are incorrect. Same technology has been used, but This spike protein has never been produced previously,

Article from October 2019

http://www.pharmatimes.com/magazine/2019/october_2019/cancer_vaccines_-_a_new_promise

The "spike" protein is the way an mRNA vaccine works. That's the function. The spike protein is the what the body creates from the mRNA vaccine to elicit the immune response. That's how the cancer vaccines operated. An excerpt from the above article:

*Therefore, the mRNA does not ‘destroy’ the cancer cells itself, **but encodes the production of proteins that enable the body’s own immune system to neutralise cancer cells while leaving the healthy cells alone**; essentially turning the patient’s body into a factory able to produce protein-based drugs. Think of mRNA being a ‘medicine’ that is a set of instructions for the body to manufacture polypeptide therapies in vivo.*

Spike proteins. 10 year old technology.

 

[mike]

You're the one that needs to start thinking for himself. He and many other doctors like him helped many patients through covid treatments.

No he didn't, he spread untruths and fake medicine and is being investigated for it. He's been widely discredited by his peers. As far as COVID is concerned he's a dangerous quack.

You're free to believe him (at your peril), but don't expect others to be on bended knee before him.

Only thing thats fake is your blind trust to an experimental jab. Instead we have many doctors like Dr Mcullough who have had great results treating covid.

For goodness sake even the inventor of mRNA vaccine technology **Dr Robert Malone** has spoken about the dangers of the spike protein created from the experimental jab.

Again, Dr Robert Malone Is not the inventor of the mRNA vaccines or technology. He is a professor that once wrote a paper about it in 1989. Yes it was an influential paper but he is definitely not the inventor. It’s like saying H.G. Wells invented space travel because he wrote about it.

 

[earl]

Otherwise you’ll need to stay out of the debate about vaccine passports, because it’s coming and it’s ugly

Yep. This is the big issue and it's coming. People are railing against the facts right now. The facts are what they are. It's the policy implications in relation to the facts that are the big deal.

Atm it's pretty clear that the majority will get vaccinated and the unvaccinated will be legally discriminated against all over the place.

“Legal discrimination” never ends well for any society

Nonsense. It is part of all sorts of policies now. Aboriginals receive positive discrimination. Women do as well. The thing is these types of discrimination are much less obvious and extreme as what is now being implemented across the world in relation to the unvaccinated.

Personally I don't like it but I don't see any other option.

As a fully vaccinated individual why should I have to suffer through lockdowns and restrictions when I'm not the problem. Why not just discriminate against the people who have chosen to do the wrong thing. It's like telling me I can't drive because other people drink and drive. That is their choice not mine and I shouldn't be discriminated for their bad choices.

Anyway this is happening now. I suggest you get on the smart train rather than choose the dumb option.

This is what the French President stated:-

“I no longer have any intention of sacrificing my life, my time, my freedom and the adolescence of my daughters, as well as their right to study properly, for those who refuse to be vaccinated. This time you stay at home, not us.”

Lockdowns won't end regardless now they have them well established as a control tool. Take a look at Iceland which endured 15 months of restrictions and then had all restrictions lifted after they got their vaccination rate to 90%. Four weeks later the restrictions returned

They promise "freedoms" to encourage take up of the vaxx, nothing more

Whilst that "quote" does sound like something Macron might say with it's focus on the effect on him and his family over the interests of the French people he is supposed to lead, it is not something he said. I'll leave it for you to investigate but trusting Fitzy as a reliable source of quotes isn't always the best method

You could be right on the Macron quote but it doesn't change the facts. The facts are that the world is moving towards vaccine certificates. Companies are putting measures in place to only employ vaccinated people. It's happening right now.

Lockdowns aren't being implemented in the USA or Britain now and they've implemented plenty of lockdowns.

I think the only way we go back to the previous level of lockdowns is if the rate of being hospitalized increases too much and the health system can't handle it.

I don't believe your comments on Iceland reflect the facts. Iceland appears to me to be doing exceptionally well.

 

[Geo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGNiXGX2nLU

 

[earl]

Will not be getting the experimental jab. As Harvey alluded to, it does not work the way a normal safe vaccine works. A vaccine normally offers 2 things:
1. Immunity
2. Stop transmission

This jab does neither.

There is alao NO data on long term effects of the jab. Some experts are saying it may cause auto immune disorders, alzheimers in the elderly and blood clots leading to death (this we already know).

Unfortunately alot of this information (while available), is being heavily censored.

Please don't misquote me. No vaccination offers complete immunity to catching an illness, they stimulate your immune system so that you are able to fight the virus off before it can do serious damage.

Thats what immunity is. Teaching your antibodies to attack the antigen. This jab does not do this in that way. It causes RNA to create the spike protein. **There has never been a vaccine that works in this way**

Wrong.

mRNA vaccine technology has been used in cancer vaccines since 2011. So there's ten years of data on what the longer term effects of mRNA vaccines are, if any.

Incorrect. The Covid vaccine is the first vaccine where the spike protein has been produced to induce an immune response. There is NO long term data on this.
Wonder why this has been taken off youtube? Oh yeah 'misinformation ' because it doesn't fit it with the multi billion dollar pharmaceutical narrative

https://www.facebook.com/107999601094256/posts/265110438716504/

Wrong again.

The same technology has been used before, to elicit an immune response against proteins found in tumours called tumour associated antigens.

No you are incorrect. Same technology has been used, but This spike protein has never been produced previously,

Here is the thing. Your comments aren't factual or scientific. They are factually incorrect.

Your problem is that you are beholden to an idea that is false but we can't change your irrational belief.

I have an alternative option for you though. Go and get the AZ vaccine. You will already have taken various vaccines that use the exact same technology.

So you can keep your irrational belief and still get vaccinated.

You now have no excuses not to get vaccinated. If you still choose not to get vaccinated I'd like to know why. I believe it's good to try and understand the real issue.

My 17 yo son said the other day he might not get vaccinated. He will also be out of the house if he refuses to be vaccinated. The thing is his response was more a rebellious teenager response that is just based on not doing the thing that society wants you too. It has nothing at all to do with the facts. I think a lot of people are coming up with all these nonsense comments in order to hide the real reason they aren't getting vaccinated. It'd be good to get to the real reason behind your choice not to get vaccinated.

At the same time I'm starting to think that facts and logic and reason are not going to get through to some people. Those people and their loved ones will suffer disproportionately (as will health workers) from the negative effects of the virus.

I think COVID will kill off 2-20% of that population dependent on age demographics. That is a disaster but it's a disaster of your own choice.

I feel bad about the situation but I'm about to give up and say well it's your/their choice to die.

 

[cochise]

Will not be getting the experimental jab. As Harvey alluded to, it does not work the way a normal safe vaccine works. A vaccine normally offers 2 things:
1. Immunity
2. Stop transmission

This jab does neither.

There is alao NO data on long term effects of the jab. Some experts are saying it may cause auto immune disorders, alzheimers in the elderly and blood clots leading to death (this we already know).

Unfortunately alot of this information (while available), is being heavily censored.

Please don't misquote me. No vaccination offers complete immunity to catching an illness, they stimulate your immune system so that you are able to fight the virus off before it can do serious damage.

Thats what immunity is. Teaching your antibodies to attack the antigen. This jab does not do this in that way. It causes RNA to create the spike protein. **There has never been a vaccine that works in this way**

Wrong.

mRNA vaccine technology has been used in cancer vaccines since 2011. So there's ten years of data on what the longer term effects of mRNA vaccines are, if any.

Incorrect. The Covid vaccine is the first vaccine where the spike protein has been produced to induce an immune response. There is NO long term data on this.
Wonder why this has been taken off youtube? Oh yeah 'misinformation ' because it doesn't fit it with the multi billion dollar pharmaceutical narrative

https://www.facebook.com/107999601094256/posts/265110438716504/

Wrong again.

The same technology has been used before, to elicit an immune response against proteins found in tumours called tumour associated antigens.

No you are incorrect. Same technology has been used, but This spike protein has never been produced previously,


Here is the thing. Your comments aren't factual or scientific. They are factually incorrect.

Your problem is that you are beholden to an idea that is false but we can't change your irrational belief.

I have an alternative option for you though. Go and get the AZ vaccine. You will already have taken various vaccines that use the exact same technology.

So you can keep your irrational belief and still get vaccinated.

You now have no excuses not to get vaccinated. If you still choose not to get vaccinated I'd like to know why. I believe it's good to try and understand the real issue.

My 17 yo son said the other day he might not get vaccinated. He will also be out of the house if he refuses to be vaccinated. The thing is his response was more a rebellious teenager response that is just based on not doing the thing that society wants you too. It has nothing at all to do with the facts. I think a lot of people are coming up with all these nonsense comments in order to hide the real reason they aren't getting vaccinated. It'd be good to get to the real reason behind your choice not to get vaccinated.

At the same time I'm starting to think that facts and logic and reason are not going to get through to some people. Those people and their loved ones will suffer disproportionately (as will health workers) from the negative effects of the virus.

I think COVID will kill off 2-20% of that population dependent on age demographics. That is a disaster but it's a disaster of your own choice.

I feel bad about the situation but I'm about to give up and say well it's your/their choice to die.

If their choices only effected them I would agree, but their choices effect and risk the lives of a lot of other people. It may be an individual choice but the effects of those choices are shared by the majority. That is why people rally against people that are spreading false information.

 

[tig_prmz]

I have an idea..

Agree to disagree..

I know this is the Wests Tigers forum and all but i'd rather have 5000 pages of discussion on this than signing rumours.

 

[jirskyr]

There are benefits and risks to every medical procedure. Doing the “right thing” means you’ve weighed the risks and benefits for yourself, and are making an informed decision. The only wrong decision IMO is made purely out of fear, social pressure or emotional reactivity. If you have researched your decision and are comfortable with it…great!

What if the decision is made out of fear, just a different kind? Fear of the government or of established medical practice?

The issue with vaccines is we need the strong majority of people to do it, otherwise they are less effective. It's not the same as individualised medical care. Infectious diseases don't work that way when they are highly infectious.

For example if you want to become a PR / citizen of Australia, you have to prove you don't have TB. You need a medical checkup and clearance. It is fact that they discriminate against people with TB. There's a reason for that - TB is highly infectious, it's a devastating disease and damaging to the population. They need to keep it out of Australia.

Now they are never going to force vaccination on people, that just won't happen. Nobody is going to be tied down and drugged. But they will incentivise it very strongly. They will provide privileges for those who get vaccinated.

It therefore becomes a choice to decline those privileges.

You call them privileges

I call them freedoms

Do you have freedom to take someone's things, or cause damage to their person or property? Can you live in someone else's house without permission? Can you own a fully automatic weapon? Can you carry a large knife in public? Can you fire arrows in your street?

Society puts rules into place for a reason, and unfortunately even if you don't agree, those rules are in place for the better good. That includes rules that protect your own safety and rights, which are administered by the police and adjudicated by the courts.

It's not even naive to think freedoms are absolute, it's just not reality at all. Everyone is given as much freedom as possible whilst still enabling society to function and personal welfare to be respected. But there are limits - you can't do whatever you want whenever you want, and the people that try that are called criminals.

The alternative is to build a nice shack in the desert and live off the grid. It is possible to do so and keep out of everyone's way, and do basically what you please 99% of the time. But if you want to live with a large bunch of other people, you don't have absolute freedom, no. It never happens, even in the best democracies.

 

[Tiger Beach]

I have an idea..

Agree to disagree..

I know this is the Wests Tigers forum and all but i'd rather have 5000 pages of discussion on this than signing rumours.

We are rumoured to be signing Brett Sutton. He'll keep opposition defenses guessing

 

[jirskyr]

No and not to travel, go to the movies or anything else that they are threatening to bar me from
Coercion is a dangerous thing
And before I get told to follow the science, that can be bought and paid for and much of it is

So you reckon science on a global level has been bought by... someone, to, what, fake COVID and sell fake vaccines on people? You don't reckon we'd quickly find out if it wasn't real. Do you reckon they can fake 4.2 million global deaths?

Tell me one time global consensus science has been bought by someone.

Lots of leaps there and doesn’t represent my views so I won’t comment on your conclusions drawn in relation to my initial statement

That aside, in terms of bought and paid for science, the tobacco industry, sugar industry and even the artificial sweetener manufacturers bought some pretty favourable science for quite some time. That’s just a start

Truth does win out eventually though

I'd put it to you that truth already won out in 2020, and the lovely vaccines are what we have to celebrate with.

You do realise of course vaccines of various descriptions have been given to humans for over 200 years? That's a very very long period of time for the "buying" of science to be ironed out.

But so is COVID real? Or do you just not trust vaccines?

Also the concept - how much would it cost to buy out all the health authorities of the world, in order to sell a few billion doses of vaccine?

Again you choose to put words into my mouth and ask a series of questions in a condescending manner designed to suit your agenda

I’m not playing that game

They are simple questions. I can't create an "agenda" with questions - only your answers serve an agenda.

If you can't or won't answer the questions, that's fine, I don't know you and I don't care enough to pursue it. BUT the fact is that people who can't answer the simple questions about their position - it just undermines the strength of their position. A strong position, a strong argument is easy to state, easy to defend, easy to back up with facts.

 

[jirskyr]

I will never get vaxxed so I guess I will be a second class citizen forever, so be it. Ban me from everything, ban me from life but don't ban my money LOL

Why not get vaxxed? Only COVID or all vaccines? Are you vaccinated against anything else?