WOULD YOU VACCINATE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH SPORTS

[Muffstar]

I have no issues getting the vaccine. I would get it so that I can travel again not to go and watch footy. Sure it's not 100% guaranteed but at my age it's better than the alternative.

 

[earl]

Will not be getting the experimental jab. As Harvey alluded to, it does not work the way a normal safe vaccine works. A vaccine normally offers 2 things:
1. Immunity
2. Stop transmission

This jab does neither.

There is alao NO data on long term effects of the jab. Some experts are saying it may cause auto immune disorders, alzheimers in the elderly and blood clots leading to death (this we already know).

Unfortunately alot of this information (while available), is being heavily censored.

Please don't misquote me. No vaccination offers complete immunity to catching an illness, they stimulate your immune system so that you are able to fight the virus off before it can do serious damage.

Thats what immunity is. Teaching your antibodies to attack the antigen. This jab does not do this in that way. It causes RNA to create the spike protein. **There has never been a vaccine that works in this way**

Wrong.

mRNA vaccine technology has been used in cancer vaccines since 2011. So there's ten years of data on what the longer term effects of mRNA vaccines are, if any.

Incorrect. The Covid vaccine is the first vaccine where the spike protein has been produced to induce an immune response. There is NO long term data on this.
Wonder why this has been taken off youtube? Oh yeah 'misinformation ' because it doesn't fit it with the multi billion dollar pharmaceutical narrative

https://www.facebook.com/107999601094256/posts/265110438716504/

Wrong again.

The same technology has been used before, to elicit an immune response against proteins found in tumours called tumour associated antigens.

No you are incorrect. Same technology has been used, but This spike protein has never been produced previously,


Here is the thing. Your comments aren't factual or scientific. They are factually incorrect.

Your problem is that you are beholden to an idea that is false but we can't change your irrational belief.

I have an alternative option for you though. Go and get the AZ vaccine. You will already have taken various vaccines that use the exact same technology.

So you can keep your irrational belief and still get vaccinated.

You now have no excuses not to get vaccinated. If you still choose not to get vaccinated I'd like to know why. I believe it's good to try and understand the real issue.

My 17 yo son said the other day he might not get vaccinated. He will also be out of the house if he refuses to be vaccinated. The thing is his response was more a rebellious teenager response that is just based on not doing the thing that society wants you too. It has nothing at all to do with the facts. I think a lot of people are coming up with all these nonsense comments in order to hide the real reason they aren't getting vaccinated. It'd be good to get to the real reason behind your choice not to get vaccinated.

At the same time I'm starting to think that facts and logic and reason are not going to get through to some people. Those people and their loved ones will suffer disproportionately (as will health workers) from the negative effects of the virus.

I think COVID will kill off 2-20% of that population dependent on age demographics. That is a disaster but it's a disaster of your own choice.

I feel bad about the situation but I'm about to give up and say well it's your/their choice to die.

If their choices only effected them I would agree, but their choices effect and risk the lives of a lot of other people. It may be an individual choice but the effects of those choices are shared by the majority. That is why people rally against people that are spreading false information.

Just to be clear I am trying to push this because it's the right thing for society. I am not political and never have been. This is an extreme situation.

I agree that other people will suffer but the unvaccinated are going to suffer disproportionately. I also mentioned health care workers.

My dad is a retired doctor. He was a specialist. My mum is a retired nurse. They are both fully vaccinated. I have a couple of friends who are doctors. I assume they are vaccinated.

I feel that this is going to hurt the poor and uneducated so much more than myself and my family. We are wealthy and privileged.

What makes this worse is that it doesn't have to be like this.

 

[earl]

I have an idea..

Agree to disagree..

I know this is the Wests Tigers forum and all but i'd rather have 5000 pages of discussion on this than signing rumours.

I love the Tigers but we are losing all the time. This is fascinating in a perverse way.

 

[earl]

But if you want to live with a large bunch of other people, you don’t have absolute freedom, no. It never happens, even in the best democracies.

These counter arguments are childish dribble. Society has always and will always implement restrictions on people.

It's always a matter of scale.

 

[earl]

A strong position, a strong argument is easy to state, easy to defend, easy to back up with facts.

Exactly. This is a one sided beat down as well. The facts are overwhelming.

 

[jirskyr]

No, I wont get it until I have to get it.


Why? And what would make you 'have to get it'?

I'd like to see what happens with it all in 5-10 years..

Who knows what the side effects will be..

If its all 100% proven without any problems, I will take it.

No drug is every proven 100% without problems. It is not possible. So that's fine if you won't take a drug unless it's 100% proven no adverse effects, but that means no drugs ever.

It actually means no anything ever - you can't ingest anything at all if you want 100% no problems. Even juice or meat or wheat cause individual issues.

I've said this many many times - I don't understand how a person who has no experience developing or approving drugs will set a timeframe for what is an acceptable safety period, or acceptable volume of data. You'll never be satisfied. Why not 15 or 20 years of safety data?

Because by the time 5 years rolls around COVID will probably be different, the vaccines will almost certainly be adjusted. It just resets your goal posts.

And god forbid if you ever get a different serious disease like cancer or heart disease or diabetes, are you going to demand 5-10 years of data before you'll take the recommended medications?

There's a nice reader about the safety data on Sydney Morning Herald, take a read, very straightforward:
https://www.smh.com.au/national/how-do-we-know-vaccines-won-t-have-long-term-safety-risks-20210803-p58fc7.html
>How do we know vaccines won’t have long-term safety risks?
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>By Liam Mannix, August 3, 2021 — 7.30pm
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>Whenever I talk to people about vaccines, the same questions come up over and over again: have we tested them for long enough?
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>And how do we really know they are going to be safe, long term?
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>It seems like a compelling point. The first vaccine trials started about 16 months ago. Sure, we can be confident in their short-term safety … but how do we know in a decade or two we’re not going to start turning into horrifying lizard creatures?
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>The answers are surprising. Vaccine trials are shorter than you might think – but time and time again, they produce safe and effective vaccines. And we probably have better data about COVID-19 vaccines at this point than almost any other vaccine we have developed.
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>And yes, it is scientifically impossible to know if a lizard-creature future awaits us in a decade. But basic science, evidence from every other >vaccine we’ve developed and critical thinking can give us an awful lot of confidence.
>How long should you trial a vaccine for, anyway?
>
>One telling of the “we don’t know if the COVID-19 vaccines are safe” idea goes like this: typically, a vaccine is tested for seven or eight years, and that’s how we know it’s safe before we roll it out.
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>Pfizer’s phase-three trial of its COVID-19 vaccine went for about four months; AstraZeneca’s ran about six months. That seems short, no?
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>The truth is more reassuring.
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>The scientists I spoke to aren’t sure where the “seven or eight years” rule comes from. Most phase-three vaccine trials – that’s the big one you do before you apply to roll it out – follow up volunteers for just 12 months, Jim Buttery, head of signal investigation at Victoria’s immunisation safety service, tells me.
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>This testing schedule has produced many safe vaccines.
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>Of 57 vaccines approved by the US since 1996, the median safety follow-up was 1½ months. Yet only one had to be withdrawn from the market for safety reasons; at the same time, these vaccines cut the incidence of common viruses such as polio and measles by more than 90 per cent.
>
>It is quite amazing how safe and effective these medicines are.
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>And the trials often have to run longer than COVID-19 ones because they have to capture enough infections in the placebo group to be sure a vaccine is working. It might take a long time to capture enough shingles infections; that is not a problem when testing a COVID-19 vaccine in the middle of a pandemic.
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>Why are the COVID vaccine trials so short?
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>To get the answer, we need to look not at vaccines but at the thing they are acting on: our immune system. Remember, a vaccine by itself does not do anything. It’s the immune system that needs to spot it, respond, and develop immunity.
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>If something is going to go wrong, it will probably go wrong there. But the thing about the immune system is, it is designed for speed.
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>“The immune responses act very quickly. If they don’t, we wouldn’t be able to fight infections. They need to get on top of the pathogens before they replicate and kill us,” says Stephen Turner, head of microbiology at Monash University’s biomedical institute.
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>This explains why scientists are so confident the vast majority of side effects will be spotted within the first few months of vaccination.
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>There’s more good news: we are no longer in a situation where we have five months of data on 30,000 people.
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>We now have more than a year of data for some people, and an extraordinary 4.18 billion doses of vaccine administered worldwide (at the time of writing) in which we can look for safety signals.
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>“A phase-three is typically tens of thousands. We already have real-world experience in tens of millions. We have massive experience using the best surveillance system we’ve ever had,” says Robert Booy, senior professorial fellow at the National Centre for Immunisation Research and Surveillance.
>
>OK, but what about long-term safety? Am I going to wake up one day as a lizard person?
>
>It would be nice if I could simply say, “There is a 0 per cent chance of long-term consequences.” Due to our continued failure to invent a time-travel machine, we cannot do that.
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>“Logically and scientifically, you can’t talk to the long-term protection or safety for more than a year. That’s an impossibility,” says Professor Booy.
>
>This problem, of course, applies to all new vaccines. So what gives scientists and medical regulators the confidence to recommend vaccinations?
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>First, experience with past vaccines. As we have seen, if something is going to go wrong with the immune system, it’s going to happen fast, probably within the first six weeks after being given a vaccine, says Professor Buttery.
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>We see this with other vaccines. The only vaccine to be removed from the US market for safety reasons since 1996 was the Rotashield, which was intended to prevent rotavirus gastro in children. Its extremely rare side effect occurred within two to three weeks of vaccination, and was swiftly picked up by post-market surveillance.
>
>Without 10-year safety data, “you have to always think from the best analogy”, says Professor Booy. “The best analogy is, we have a dozen or more routine vaccinations, for which we know the long-term safety profile is excellent, and adverse events that are important happen within six minutes or six weeks of getting the vaccine.”
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>But doctors would never recommend a treatment that came with a risk, even a small one, if that risk outweighed the benefit.
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>Over time, your chances of being exposed to COVID-19 rise to close to 100 per cent. Australia is not going to remain closed forever. Therefore, the correct risk-benefit balance is the long-term risk of vaccines versus the long-term risk of COVID-19.
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>We cannot know what will happen in a decade to people infected with COVID-19. But, unlike vaccines, the signs are not good.
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>Simply being in hospital with COVID-19 is not good for you, leaving patients with impaired cognitive and physical function and mental health. Problems have been reported in the heart, lungs, and brain. In a large Lancet study, 63 per cent of patients reported fatigue or muscle weakness six months after being diagnosed. People with severe illness ended up with damaged lungs. The stories of patients trapped on ventilators because their damaged lungs cannot support them are particularly harrowing. What is the long-term prognosis for this group?
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>“It’s always a balance of risks,” says Tony Cunningham, director of the Centre for Virus Research at the University of Sydney and one of the country’s leading vaccine experts.
>
>“You have to always weigh the risk of any intervention in medicine against the disease itself.”

 

[philgood]

You're the one that needs to start thinking for himself. He and many other doctors like him helped many patients through covid treatments.

No he didn't, he spread untruths and fake medicine and is being investigated for it. He's been widely discredited by his peers. As far as COVID is concerned he's a dangerous quack.

You're free to believe him (at your peril), but don't expect others to be on bended knee before him.

Only thing thats fake is your blind trust to an experimental jab. Instead we have many doctors like Dr Mcullough who have had great results treating covid.

For goodness sake even the inventor of mRNA vaccine technology **Dr Robert Malone** has spoken about the dangers of the spike protein created from the experimental jab.

Again, Dr Robert Malone Is not the inventor of the mRNA vaccines or technology. He is a professor that once wrote a paper about in 1989. Yes it was an influential paper but he is definitely not the inventor. It’s like saying H.G. Wells invented space travel because he wrote about it.

Do you enjoy disagreeing with me for the sake of it? He is the inventor of mRNA vaccines

 

[jirskyr]

Will not be getting the experimental jab. As Harvey alluded to, it does not work the way a normal safe vaccine works. A vaccine normally offers 2 things:
1. Immunity
2. Stop transmission

This jab does neither.

There is alao NO data on long term effects of the jab. Some experts are saying it may cause auto immune disorders, alzheimers in the elderly and blood clots leading to death (this we already know).

Unfortunately alot of this information (while available), is being heavily censored.

Please don't misquote me. No vaccination offers complete immunity to catching an illness, they stimulate your immune system so that you are able to fight the virus off before it can do serious damage.

Thats what immunity is. Teaching your antibodies to attack the antigen. This jab does not do this in that way. It causes RNA to create the spike protein. **There has never been a vaccine that works in this way**

Wrong.

mRNA vaccine technology has been used in cancer vaccines since 2011. So there's ten years of data on what the longer term effects of mRNA vaccines are, if any.

Incorrect. The Covid vaccine is the first vaccine where the spike protein has been produced to induce an immune response. There is NO long term data on this.
Wonder why this has been taken off youtube? Oh yeah 'misinformation ' because it doesn't fit it with the multi billion dollar pharmaceutical narrative

https://www.facebook.com/107999601094256/posts/265110438716504/

So youtube is in cahoots with "big pharma"? Which big pharma? Pfizer or all of them? Youtube is owned by Google, why are Google supporting Big Pharma?

What about if small pharma produce a vaccine? For example the Pfizer vaccine was actually kick-started by BioNTech, and if you hadn't heard of them before COVID, that's because they are small pharma. Moderna and Novavax aren't that big either.

You can just take AZ man, it doesn't do mRNA at all.

 

[jirskyr]

I have an idea..

Agree to disagree..

Some things Geo you can't agree to disagree on, otherwise society would go to hell.

 

[rihannafan1]

It's been suggested that to attend mass gathering events such as Sport ,Concerts ,Restaurants etc proof of vaccination will be required.Would you get vaccinated to watch Wests Tigers

This is 100% going to happen

 

[mike]

You're the one that needs to start thinking for himself. He and many other doctors like him helped many patients through covid treatments.

No he didn't, he spread untruths and fake medicine and is being investigated for it. He's been widely discredited by his peers. As far as COVID is concerned he's a dangerous quack.

You're free to believe him (at your peril), but don't expect others to be on bended knee before him.

Only thing thats fake is your blind trust to an experimental jab. Instead we have many doctors like Dr Mcullough who have had great results treating covid.

For goodness sake even the inventor of mRNA vaccine technology **Dr Robert Malone** has spoken about the dangers of the spike protein created from the experimental jab.

Again, Dr Robert Malone Is not the inventor of the mRNA vaccines or technology. He is a professor that once wrote a paper about in 1989. Yes it was an influential paper but he is definitely not the inventor. It’s like saying H.G. Wells invented space travel because he wrote about it.

Do you enjoy disagreeing with me for the sake of it? He is the inventor of mRNA vaccines

I seek the truth, he is not the inventor at all. I’ll agree with you when you post something factual.

I get you don’t want to take the vaccines. So what you have done is some Google searches that come back with answers that validate your position. Unfortunately you are not looking through a critical lens and the answers you retrieve are not factual,

 

[dazza65]

Will not be getting the experimental jab. As Harvey alluded to, it does not work the way a normal safe vaccine works. A vaccine normally offers 2 things:
1. Immunity
2. Stop transmission

This jab does neither.

There is alao NO data on long term effects of the jab. Some experts are saying it may cause auto immune disorders, alzheimers in the elderly and blood clots leading to death (this we already know).

Unfortunately alot of this information (while available), is being heavily censored.

Please don't misquote me. No vaccination offers complete immunity to catching an illness, they stimulate your immune system so that you are able to fight the virus off before it can do serious damage.

Thats what immunity is. Teaching your antibodies to attack the antigen. This jab does not do this in that way. It causes RNA to create the spike protein. **There has never been a vaccine that works in this way**

Wrong.

mRNA vaccine technology has been used in cancer vaccines since 2011. So there's ten years of data on what the longer term effects of mRNA vaccines are, if any.

Incorrect. The Covid vaccine is the first vaccine where the spike protein has been produced to induce an immune response. There is NO long term data on this.
Wonder why this has been taken off youtube? Oh yeah 'misinformation ' because it doesn't fit it with the multi billion dollar pharmaceutical narrative

https://www.facebook.com/107999601094256/posts/265110438716504/

lol...referencing Facebook .....:clown_face:

 

[mike]

Will not be getting the experimental jab. As Harvey alluded to, it does not work the way a normal safe vaccine works. A vaccine normally offers 2 things:
1. Immunity
2. Stop transmission

This jab does neither.

There is alao NO data on long term effects of the jab. Some experts are saying it may cause auto immune disorders, alzheimers in the elderly and blood clots leading to death (this we already know).

Unfortunately alot of this information (while available), is being heavily censored.

Please don't misquote me. No vaccination offers complete immunity to catching an illness, they stimulate your immune system so that you are able to fight the virus off before it can do serious damage.

Thats what immunity is. Teaching your antibodies to attack the antigen. This jab does not do this in that way. It causes RNA to create the spike protein. **There has never been a vaccine that works in this way**

Wrong.

mRNA vaccine technology has been used in cancer vaccines since 2011. So there's ten years of data on what the longer term effects of mRNA vaccines are, if any.

Incorrect. The Covid vaccine is the first vaccine where the spike protein has been produced to induce an immune response. There is NO long term data on this.
Wonder why this has been taken off youtube? Oh yeah 'misinformation ' because it doesn't fit it with the multi billion dollar pharmaceutical narrative

https://www.facebook.com/107999601094256/posts/265110438716504/


lol...referencing Facebook .....:clown_face:

I know right.

 

[jirskyr]

You're the one that needs to start thinking for himself. He and many other doctors like him helped many patients through covid treatments.

No he didn't, he spread untruths and fake medicine and is being investigated for it. He's been widely discredited by his peers. As far as COVID is concerned he's a dangerous quack.

You're free to believe him (at your peril), but don't expect others to be on bended knee before him.

Only thing thats fake is your blind trust to an experimental jab. Instead we have many doctors like Dr Mcullough who have had great results treating covid.

For goodness sake even the inventor of mRNA vaccine technology **Dr Robert Malone** has spoken about the dangers of the spike protein created from the experimental jab.

Again, Dr Robert Malone Is not the inventor of the mRNA vaccines or technology. He is a professor that once wrote a paper about in 1989. Yes it was an influential paper but he is definitely not the inventor. It’s like saying H.G. Wells invented space travel because he wrote about it.

Do you enjoy disagreeing with me for the sake of it? He is the inventor of mRNA vaccines

Try this phil
https://www.logically.ai/factchecks/library/3aa2eefd

 

[philgood]

You're the one that needs to start thinking for himself. He and many other doctors like him helped many patients through covid treatments.

No he didn't, he spread untruths and fake medicine and is being investigated for it. He's been widely discredited by his peers. As far as COVID is concerned he's a dangerous quack.

You're free to believe him (at your peril), but don't expect others to be on bended knee before him.

Only thing thats fake is your blind trust to an experimental jab. Instead we have many doctors like Dr Mcullough who have had great results treating covid.

For goodness sake even the inventor of mRNA vaccine technology **Dr Robert Malone** has spoken about the dangers of the spike protein created from the experimental jab.

Again, Dr Robert Malone Is not the inventor of the mRNA vaccines or technology. He is a professor that once wrote a paper about in 1989. Yes it was an influential paper but he is definitely not the inventor. It’s like saying H.G. Wells invented space travel because he wrote about it.

Do you enjoy disagreeing with me for the sake of it? He is the inventor of mRNA vaccines

I seek the truth, he is not the inventor at all. I’ll agree with you when you post something factual.

Here is his linkedin. Let me know if you want more facts
https://www.linkedin.com/in/rwmalonemd

 

[TheDaBoss]

Prehaps our opponents need to be vaccinated, cause tigers do a damn good job of staying well away from them in defence

 

[jirskyr]

You're the one that needs to start thinking for himself. He and many other doctors like him helped many patients through covid treatments.

No he didn't, he spread untruths and fake medicine and is being investigated for it. He's been widely discredited by his peers. As far as COVID is concerned he's a dangerous quack.

You're free to believe him (at your peril), but don't expect others to be on bended knee before him.

Only thing thats fake is your blind trust to an experimental jab. Instead we have many doctors like Dr Mcullough who have had great results treating covid.

For goodness sake even the inventor of mRNA vaccine technology **Dr Robert Malone** has spoken about the dangers of the spike protein created from the experimental jab.

Again, Dr Robert Malone Is not the inventor of the mRNA vaccines or technology. He is a professor that once wrote a paper about in 1989. Yes it was an influential paper but he is definitely not the inventor. It’s like saying H.G. Wells invented space travel because he wrote about it.

Do you enjoy disagreeing with me for the sake of it? He is the inventor of mRNA vaccines

I seek the truth, he is not the inventor at all. I’ll agree with you when you post something factual.

Here is his linkedin. Let me know if you want more facts
https://www.linkedin.com/in/rwmalonemd

You may be aware you can write whatever you please on linkedin. Did you read my linkedin? I am the verified actual King of Norway.

 

[Guest]

You're the one that needs to start thinking for himself. He and many other doctors like him helped many patients through covid treatments.

No he didn't, he spread untruths and fake medicine and is being investigated for it. He's been widely discredited by his peers. As far as COVID is concerned he's a dangerous quack.

You're free to believe him (at your peril), but don't expect others to be on bended knee before him.

Only thing thats fake is your blind trust to an experimental jab. Instead we have many doctors like Dr Mcullough who have had great results treating covid.

For goodness sake even the inventor of mRNA vaccine technology **Dr Robert Malone** has spoken about the dangers of the spike protein created from the experimental jab.

Again, Dr Robert Malone Is not the inventor of the mRNA vaccines or technology. He is a professor that once wrote a paper about in 1989. Yes it was an influential paper but he is definitely not the inventor. It’s like saying H.G. Wells invented space travel because he wrote about it.

Do you enjoy disagreeing with me for the sake of it? He is the inventor of mRNA vaccines

I seek the truth, he is not the inventor at all. I’ll agree with you when you post something factual.

Here is his linkedin. Let me know if you want more facts
https://www.linkedin.com/in/rwmalonemd

Unfortunately they are not considered facts.

 

[mike]

You're the one that needs to start thinking for himself. He and many other doctors like him helped many patients through covid treatments.

No he didn't, he spread untruths and fake medicine and is being investigated for it. He's been widely discredited by his peers. As far as COVID is concerned he's a dangerous quack.

You're free to believe him (at your peril), but don't expect others to be on bended knee before him.

Only thing thats fake is your blind trust to an experimental jab. Instead we have many doctors like Dr Mcullough who have had great results treating covid.

For goodness sake even the inventor of mRNA vaccine technology **Dr Robert Malone** has spoken about the dangers of the spike protein created from the experimental jab.

Again, Dr Robert Malone Is not the inventor of the mRNA vaccines or technology. He is a professor that once wrote a paper about in 1989. Yes it was an influential paper but he is definitely not the inventor. It’s like saying H.G. Wells invented space travel because he wrote about it.

Do you enjoy disagreeing with me for the sake of it? He is the inventor of mRNA vaccines

I seek the truth, he is not the inventor at all. I’ll agree with you when you post something factual.

Here is his linkedin. Let me know if you want more facts
https://www.linkedin.com/in/rwmalonemd

LinkedIn also puts forward Deepak Chopra as a though leader. Its Social Media about as valid as Facebook. Anyone can write anything on their profile, it doesn’t make it true. There is absolutely no checking or peer review on LinkedIn.

 

[cochise]

You're the one that needs to start thinking for himself. He and many other doctors like him helped many patients through covid treatments.

No he didn't, he spread untruths and fake medicine and is being investigated for it. He's been widely discredited by his peers. As far as COVID is concerned he's a dangerous quack.

You're free to believe him (at your peril), but don't expect others to be on bended knee before him.

Only thing thats fake is your blind trust to an experimental jab. Instead we have many doctors like Dr Mcullough who have had great results treating covid.

For goodness sake even the inventor of mRNA vaccine technology **Dr Robert Malone** has spoken about the dangers of the spike protein created from the experimental jab.

Again, Dr Robert Malone Is not the inventor of the mRNA vaccines or technology. He is a professor that once wrote a paper about in 1989. Yes it was an influential paper but he is definitely not the inventor. It’s like saying H.G. Wells invented space travel because he wrote about it.

Do you enjoy disagreeing with me for the sake of it? He is the inventor of mRNA vaccines

I seek the truth, he is not the inventor at all. I’ll agree with you when you post something factual.

Here is his linkedin. Let me know if you want more facts
https://www.linkedin.com/in/rwmalonemd

You may be aware you can write whatever you please on linkedin. Did you read my linkedin? I am the verified actual King of Norway.

I'm a former Wests Tigers halfback